Is God a liar?

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No God is not a liar. Frankly you shouldn't consider putting liar and god together because he's the holiest being in existence. Dinosaurs would only survive if there was an atmosphere of water, because alligators have their flesh fall off if they're out of water. In the old days people drank water from the dew off the earth. But there was an atmosphere of water for a time, and then god froze it. He froze it because the dinosaurs started eating each other when satan fell. That's how the dinosaurs died and are preserved today. No man was not in the ice age.
The question, "Is God a liar?" is RHETORICAL. The point of the OP is to show logically that God by his nature would never deliberately create a world filled with false evidence that it is ancient or that life evolves. Therefore life truly IS ancient and life truly DOES evolve.

BTW, a good many dinosaurs were vegetarians. The dinosaurs died off when the atmosphere was contaminated when a meteor or asteroid crashed into the Earth off the Yucutan Peninsula.

I hope you realize you believe all sorts of stuff that is neither in the Bible nor Science books.
 
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The Holy Spirit wrote Genesis from inside Moses. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth and must tell the exact Truth and He does IF you can understand Genesis Chapter One. It's the complete History of God's Creation from the beginning to when every Christian is safely in Heaven at the end of the present 6th Day. This is apparent IF you can understand the next verse:

Gen 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

When God finishes His Creation or does any work, it is brought to perfection or God didn't do it. This verse is speaking of a time in the Future when God's 3rd Heaven has been brought to perfection and ALL of the host of Heaven is safely in Heaven with Him. Remember that the last sinner to be saved will be among the host or inhabitants of Heaven, since God's perfect Heaven will NOT be perfect until the last sinner to be saved, is safely home. Amen?

The Bible says "God Rested on the 7th Day. That only means that his commandment on the First day (which was 9.2 Billion years in length) was to create the Heavens and the Earth, thus after His command was finished, His creating of the Universe was finished, that is why He created the Heavens and the Earth but the earth was still void and without shape, because it wouldn't come to exist until 9.2 Billion years later. The Universe is still being Created, but God gave the command once, 13.7 Billion years ago, His spoken word was His work. But the Earth was not around until 4.5 Billion BC. This is what confuses many, they think the Earth was created on Day one but the Sun only came on day four. The universe was created by Gods command, the first day (YOM, Period of time) was 9.2 Billion years.

The Second day was the Earth being created and the Waters of the Sky and Earth being separated until the Grasses and Fruit Yielding trees came forth, that is 4.5 Billion BC to about 900 Million years BC.

Third day, 900 Million BC until about 800 Million BC, God brought forth the Dry land and Grasses on this day.

Fourth day, God set the Seasons, he Set the Moon and the Earth on its final proper Axis. God did not create the Sun on the Fourth day, he set the Seasons. The Earth and Moon have to be just right to rotate and create a proper climate for our earth, else our Climate would be much more violent at times, and the earth would wobble so to speak throwing the poles off their proper places as we know them. ( MORE LATER BELOW )

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; (properly as needed) and let them be for signs, and for SEASONS, and for DAYS, and YEARS: (SEASONS) 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light (MOON) to rule the night: he made the stars also. (Just to let you know, this is thrown in, the Stars are still being created even today, and have always been coming into existence.) Without the Moon, of course it would be darker at night. But what major outcome would it have on the Earth in general ?

We contacted Kaare Aksnes, professor emeritus at the Institute for Theoretical Astrophysics at the University of Oslo for an answer. “In short we would have less difference between high and low tides, shorter days and a more EXTREME CLIMATE,” he says. (God Created the Seasons, not the Earth and Sun on the Fourth Day, without the Moon in the proper place, we would also have Half Tides) Perhaps the most important effect of the Moon is the way it stabilizes our rotation. When the Earth rotates it wobbles slightly back and forth on its axis. It’s like a top, which doesn’t simply spin in a vertical position on a table or the floor. But without the Moon we’d be wobbling much more. The Moon keeps the Earth from wobbling violently as it spins.

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“Without the Moon the tilt of the Earth’s axis would vary more, with potentially strong climatic effects,” says Aksnes. Currently the Earth’s axial tilt is 23.4°, but it fluctuates between the two angles in the illustration in a 41,000-year period. Without the Moon it would tilt much more.

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With no moon as a stabilizer, the Earth would sometimes tilt all the way over and lie on its side in relation to its orbit around the Sun. This would make for extreme differences between temperatures and daylight throughout the year. At other times the Earth’s axis would be straight up and down, making night and day equally long, year round, and there would be NO SEASONS.

So the Fourth Day, as God says, was about God setting the Seasons and about setting the Moon in just the proper place, so our Seasons could become what they have become. And the EVENING and the MOURNING were the Fourth Day. This day or Period of Time, lasted from 800 Million BC until the Sea Creatures started being Created at 500 Million BC, so the Fourth Day was 300 Million Years.

The Fifth day of course Lasted from 500 Million BC until 250 Million BC, or when the Land Animals started being created. The Fifth Day was a 250 Million year Period. Science backs this up, the Sea Creatures came before the Land Animals.

The Six Day, God created the Land Animals, from 250 Million years BC until 6000 BC when he created MAN as we now are, with an IMPARTED SOUL, from God, any MAN LIKE Animal before that, was not Created in Gods Image. The Dinos were Created and Died out during the Sixth Day.

The Seventh Day came after God created man, he Rested, it doesn't mean God was tired, it means HE CEASED His great Works. Stars are still forming, this proves Gods (work) command on the First Day, ended when it was COMMANDED, God said it, and it was so, so the Earth was spoken into existence 13.7 Billion years ago, but only came into existence 4.5 Billion years ago. Thus the Earth was not formed before Light.
 
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The Bible says "God Rested on the 7th Day. That only means that his commandment on the First day (which was 9.2 Billion years in length) was to create the Heavens and the Earth, thus after His command was finished, His creating of the Universe was finished, that is why He created the Heavens and the Earth but the earth was still void and without shape, because it wouldn't come to exist until 9.2 Billion years later. The Universe is still being Created, but God gave the command once, 13.7 Billion years ago, His spoken word was His work. But the Earth was not around until 4.5 Billion BC. This is what confuses many, they think the Earth was created on Day one but the Sun only came on day four. The universe was created by Gods command, the first day (YOM, Period of time) was 9.2 Billion years.

Not so, since you are simply attaching the findings of Science with the Creation story. In the beginning, God, the Trinity, the invisible Spirit we call God, created or brought into the physical world, heaven/Air, earth without form/Dust and water came from the heaven/Air, but everything was void, empty, dead because darkness/death was upon everything God had just brought into the physical world, APART from Himself.

The first Day came to Life when God said, Let there be Light, for that is when Jesus Christ/YHWH came into the physical world from within the Invisible Spirit to defeat the darkness and to shape the air, dust, and water into physical form. Jesus IS the Light of the first Day and the only God to be formed or that ever will be formed physically. Isa 43:10 YHWH and Jesus are the SAME.

*** The Second day was the Earth being created and the Waters of the Sky and Earth being separated until the Grasses and Fruit Yielding trees came forth, that is 4.5 Billion BC to about 900 Million years BC.

Unsupportable with actual Scripture. The second Day was when the first solid firmament, which God called Heaven, was made Gen 1:6-8 and placed in the middle of the water to protect the first Earth from the water which totally surrounded it.

*** Third day, 900 Million BC until about 800 Million BC, God brought forth the Dry land and Grasses on this day.

Amen, BUT before the plants herbs and trees, which GREW on the 3rd Day Gen 1:12 Jesus (Lord God) made Adam from the dust and breathed life into him. Gen 2:4-7 Adam was FIRST made BEFORE all other living creatures.

*** Fourth day, God set the Seasons, he Set the Moon and the Earth on its final proper Axis. God did not create the Sun on the Fourth day, he set the Seasons. The Earth and Moon have to be just right to rotate and create a proper climate for our earth, else our Climate would be much more violent at times, and the earth would wobble so to speak throwing the poles off their proper places as we know them. ( MORE LATER BELOW )

14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; (properly as needed) and let them be for signs, and for SEASONS, and for DAYS, and YEARS: (SEASONS) 16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light (MOON) to rule the night: he made the stars also. (Just to let you know, this is thrown in, the Stars are still being created even today, and have always been coming into existence.) Without the Moon, of course it would be darker at night. But what major outcome would it have on the Earth in general ?

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So the Fourth Day, as God says, was about God setting the Seasons and about setting the Moon in just the proper place, so our Seasons could become what they have become. And the EVENING and the MOURNING were the Fourth Day. This day or Period of Time, lasted from 800 Million BC until the Sea Creatures started being Created at 500 Million BC, so the Fourth Day was 300 Million Years.

Totally UnScriptural, since the 4th Day began 13.77 Billion years ago when the first Stars lit up. It was 560 Million - One Billion years AFTER the Big Bang of our Cosmos. Your figures are falling apart.

*** The Fifth day of course Lasted from 500 Million BC until 250 Million BC, or when the Land Animals started being created. The Fifth Day was a 250 Million year Period. Science backs this up, the Sea Creatures came before the Land Animals.

You left out a bunch of living creatures with your misunderstanding of the Days. Gen 1:21 shows that "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from water on the 5th Day. This began 3.77 Billion years ago and it's still happening.

*** The Six Day, God created the Land Animals, from 250 Million years BC until 6000 BC when he created MAN as we now are, with an IMPARTED SOUL, from God, any MAN LIKE Animal before that, was not Created in Gods Image. The Dinos were Created and Died out during the Sixth Day.

The sixth Day began when Jesus made the living creatures from the ground and Adam named them. That's because Adam was made on the 3rd Day as I posted above. Three Days later, Adam was "created", not by Jesus, but by God the Trinity. The Trinity's Creations are ALL Eternal. Adam and Eve were "created Spiritually and Eternally". on the 6th Day AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen 5:1-2

*** The Seventh Day came after God created man, he Rested, it doesn't mean God was tired, it means HE CEASED His great Works. Stars are still forming, this proves Gods (work) command on the First Day, ended when it was COMMANDED, God said it, and it was so, so the Earth was spoken into existence 13.7 Billion years ago, but only came into existence 4.5 Billion years ago. Thus the Earth was not formed before Light.<<

The 7th Day is Future and it will not come until God has finished or Ceased His work of Creating Adam/Mankind in His Image or in Christ Spiritually. Gen 1:28-31 is prophecy of events which will be fulfilled AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth to rule and reign 1 thousand years. That is the FIRST time, Lions will eat Straw like the Ox, as Isaiah 11:7 tells us happens when Jesus returns at the end of the present 6th Day/Age. Gen 1:30 That is God's Truth Scripturally. Amen?
 
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The Bible says "God Rested on the 7th Day. That only means that his commandment on the First day (which was 9.2 Billion years in length) was to create the Heavens and the Earth, thus after His command was finished, His creating of the Universe was finished, that is why He created the Heavens and the Earth but the earth was still void and without shape, because it wouldn't come to exist until 9.2 Billion years later. The Universe is still being Created, but God gave the command once, 13.7 Billion years ago, His spoken word was His work. But the Earth was not around until 4.5 Billion BC. This is what confuses many, they think the Earth was created on Day one but the Sun only came on day four. The universe was created by Gods command, the first day (YOM, Period of time) was 9.2 Billion years.
You are trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Scientific history doesn't fit into the Genesis 1 story.
 
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Meh, science is right on only a few things. The earth is extremely old (millions billions) There was an ice age, but that's about it. A meteor did not cause that ice age, and humans were only around for the past 6,000 years. Dinosaurs died by the ice age.

Oh I already said this. I can say it again. Anyways, some things are revealed to people, by showing them those things, which is Romans 1, and by failing to praise for those showings is the cause of... you're smart people.
 
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Meh, science is right on only a few things.
Then give up all the gazillion things that science has given you that make your life better, beginning with modern medicine, and ending with the computer you are typing on.
 
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Toothpaste does not work, use iodine, because iodine works.
Flouride is thought to work because it is a dissolvant, but what it is trying to dissolve is actually a microbe, so use something antimicrobial, and safe.

I would be a scientist you know, then what I told you would be studied, verified, proven right, try it, and I'm sure it will surprise you. I need to brush maybe every four days. Think about the logic, if it did its job, why would you need to brush 2-3 times a day? Wouldn't it be, once every four days if it worked?

Scientists are dead wrong so much of the time, and yet their theories become so prominent.

You trust scientists? Ok, why? Is it because it's humanity, and that it's all humanity is telling you about something?
Smart people are Christians, the smart ones. Iodine is easily obtained with iodized salt, good luck on your first try, but I guarantee it will feel as though you came from the dentist.
 
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You are trying to force a square peg into a round hole. Scientific history doesn't fit into the Genesis 1 story.
No, I am correct, and your thesis is wrong, nothing evolves and there is no proof of it, PERIOD. Keep listening to men, over God. I have found people who are prideful and too stubborn to admit when they are wrong, can never learn Gods deep truths.

You would rather say the Holy Bible is packed full of lies, but on Judgment day you will find out, you were deceived.

God lies pr isn't able to deliver the FACTS or TRUTHS...Now that is just SILLY.
 
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Then give up all the gazillion things that science has given you that make your life better, beginning with modern medicine, and ending with the computer you are typing on.
This is Cra Cra......Do you really not understand what Science is ? LOL, "Science" gave us something, LOL. Science is nothing but mans journey from the UNKNOWN unto the KNOW of God. God gave all the Laws of Nature, Science has given us NOTHING, God commanded the ORDER OF THINGS..........Not Science.............That is Silly also.
 
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This is Cra Cra......Do you really not understand what Science is ? LOL, "Science" gave us something, LOL. Science is nothing but mans journey from the UNKNOWN unto the KNOW of God. God gave all the Laws of Nature, Science has given us NOTHING, God commanded the ORDER OF THINGS..........Not Science.............That is Silly also.
God gave us brains to use. Our brains gave us Science, which is a self correcting METHOD of discovery: observe, hypotheize, test, record results, and conclude. Because we have used this METHOD, Science, our lives have become conspicuously easier. YOUR life is conspicuously easier than your ancestors' lives. Especially in the last 200 years. So really, are you willing to give up modern medicine? Your refrigerator? Your car? Your Air Conditioner? Your computer? Your phone? Are you? Seriously? Because unless you are, don't complain about Science.
 
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God gave us brains, brains gave us science, science being man's understanding. God told you not to worry your pretty little head about man's understanding. He also said there are those who believe that we stem from a rock. You shouldn't really be defending evolution.
Evolution doesn't need defending. It's been proven pretty substantially. People just need to visit the evidence and deal with it.
 
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Oh I thought I had this on the thread

Creationists evidences against evolution, turns out it was on a different thread.

The bible writes about evolution as those who believe all persons stem from a rock. Which is hilarious, because god has a sense of humor. In every way, evolution can be debunked. Fossils of animals, we found those same animals. Petrifaction, is a lot faster a process than initially believed. Steming from monkeys is littered with fabrications and hoaxes. Layers of rock especially the grand canyon indicate the great flood more than anything.

However, the earth is millions of years old. We were only around for 6000 years, however. We weren't around during the ice age, and it wasn't a meteor that killed the dinos it was the ice age. The reason people think there has to have been a meteor is that it would help explain the ice age. God merely breathed on the earth, and you got your iceage.

If you're curious, the iceage was a snap freeze, because all of the atmosphere was watery and rainy. Even as an alligator would have their flesh fall off outside of water for a few days, so too were the dinosaurs made like unto. They lived in unending rain, and what we call an air atmosphere was their watery atmosphere. After the iceage this still continued, maybe at a lesser degree, until the great flood, evidence of that is those people would drink water solely from the dew on the grass in the morning, as is written.
 
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Oh I thought I had this on the thread

Creationists evidences against evolution, turns out it was on a different thread.

The bible writes about evolution as those who believe all persons stem from a rock. Which is hilarious, because god has a sense of humor. In every way, evolution can be debunked. Fossils of animals, we found those same animals. Petrifaction, is a lot faster a process than initially believed. Steming from monkeys is littered with fabrications and hoaxes. Layers of rock especially the grand canyon indicate the great flood more than anything.

However, the earth is millions of years old. We were only around for 6000 years, however. We weren't around during the ice age, and it wasn't a meteor that killed the dinos it was the ice age. The reason people think there has to have been a meteor is that it would help explain the ice age. God merely breathed on the earth, and you got your iceage.

If you're curious, the iceage was a snap freeze, because all of the atmosphere was watery and rainy. Even as an alligator would have their flesh fall off outside of water for a few days, so too were the dinosaurs made like unto. They lived in unending rain, and what we call an air atmosphere was their watery atmosphere. After the iceage this still continued, maybe at a lesser degree, until the great flood, evidence of that is those people would drink water solely from the dew on the grass in the morning, as is written.
I don't EVEN know where to begin, because you are so at the very very beginning. Let me say just two of the gazillion things begging to be said.

To start with, Creationists also believe that Man came from dust.

Secondly, The ice ages were not "snap freezes." Ice sheets can be aged. They have layers like trees have rings. So we know not only how old an ice sheet is, but what years were extra cold/more snow. In addition to proving that there were ice ages, these ice sheets also demolish the idea that the earth is only 6000 years old. We have one ice sheet in Antarctica that is 1.5 million years old. EVIDENCE: layers in ice sheets.
 
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Not so, since you are simply attaching the findings of Science with the Creation story. In the beginning, God, the Trinity, the invisible Spirit we call God, created or brought into the physical world, heaven/Air, earth without form/Dust and water came from the heaven/Air, but everything was void, empty, dead because darkness/death was upon everything God had just brought into the physical world, APART from Himself.

The first Day came to Life when God said, Let there be Light, for that is when Jesus Christ/YHWH came into the physical world from within the Invisible Spirit to defeat the darkness and to shape the air, dust, and water into physical form. Jesus IS the Light of the first Day and the only God to be formed or that ever will be formed physically. Isa 43:10 YHWH and Jesus are the SAME.

It doesn't say everything was void, it says the Earth was without form and Void, because at the time the Commandment went out and there was DARKNESS (Darkness is Darkness, it is not a void, to be void means to be absent.....void void/ 1.completely empty.) on the face of the Deep, that is because there was a DARK AGES for 400 Million Years or the Evening which came first. So you had Quantum Fluctuations (God) called the Laws of Nature or a Set of Forces, followed by 380,000 years of afterglow, followed by 400 MILLION YEARS of Dark Ages, then the stars started forming at the 400 Million year mark. You say the First Day came into being when God said "Let there be light" But God said the Evening came First, then the Light. S 400 Million years of Dark Ages, followed by Stars starting to form, another word used for the Hebrew word YOM, is Heat/Warmth. Jesus is not and never was the Light of our Universe, else we wouldn't have needed Stars. Now Jesus/gOD will be our light in HEAVEN, on this we agree. God and Jesus are the same in ESSENCE/LIKENESS but not the same in Glory.

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Unsupportable with actual Scripture. The second Day was when the first solid firmament, which God called Heaven, was made Gen 1:6-8 and placed in the middle of the water to protect the first Earth from the water which totally surrounded it.

That is what the Bible says, Gen. 1:6 And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. 7 And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. {{ So let there be a Sky (our Atmosphere) in the midst of the Waters, the Sky/atmosphere holds Water/moisture and it is ABOVE and the Earth is BELOW, so God divided the Waters from the Waters with the Sky. By the way, Light is not real, and is only a reflection, it has to reflect off of something, my guess is it reflects off the water in the Sky.

Amen, BUT before the plants herbs and trees, which GREW on the 3rd Day Gen 1:12 Jesus (Lord God) made Adam from the dust and breathed life into him. Gen 2:4-7 Adam was FIRST made BEFORE all other living creatures.

The very first verse of Gen. 2 says God Rested, we understand the Hebrew language was limited, and has no vowels. There was 3700 Hebrew words compared to 500,000 English words. God showed the order of Creation in Genesis one, Genesis to is the story of Adam, who was created on the Sixth Day. Not before the animals or plants. Adam only named the animals. God doesn't contradict Himself in back to back chapters.

Totally UnScriptural, since the 4th Day began 13.77 Billion years ago when the first Stars lit up. It was 560 Million - One Billion years AFTER the Big Bang of our Cosmos. Your figures are falling apart.
The Earth has only been around for 4.5 Billion Years, so I am correct. The Forth Day is God setting the Seasons, the Axis and moon being set in their proper places. The Earth and Sun were here on the SECOND DAY. Not the Fourth Day, and not the First Day.
You left out a bunch of living creatures with your misunderstanding of the Days. Gen 1:21 shows that "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from water on the 5th Day. This began 3.77 Billion years ago and it's still happening.

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Cnidaria (/naɪˈdɛəriə/[4]) is a phylum containing over 10,000[5] species of animals found exclusively in aquatic (freshwater and marine) environments: they are predominantly marine species. Fossil cnidarians have been found in rocks formed about 580 million years ago, and other fossils show that corals may have been present shortly before 490 million years ago and diversified a few million years later. Followed by the Land Animals.....

Of course I could care less about Organisms and such. I am speaking of the Creating of Animals, not micro-organisms. I don't think Adam named all the organisms and micro-organisms.

The 7th Day is Future and it will not come until God has finished or Ceased His work of Creating Adam/Mankind in His Image or in Christ Spiritually. Gen 1:28-31 is prophecy of events which will be fulfilled AFTER Jesus returns to this Earth to rule and reign 1 thousand years. That is the FIRST time, Lions will eat Straw like the Ox, as Isaiah 11:7 tells us happens when Jesus returns at the end of the present 6th Day/Age. Gen 1:30 That is God's Truth Scripturally. Amen?
God said He rested on the Seventh Day. So I assume it is here. No one is claiming perfection, I am just saying God di not create the Universe in Six Days, it makes ZERO SENSE.
 
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While not technically a liar, God can be a real trickster sometimes, sly and cunning like the fox and the coyote.

The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth is a legal term, but God does not follow the laws of man.
God has no qualms about hardening the way that a sinner is thinking and feeling, and indirectly feeding into the sinner's delusion to hoist him up on his own petard.

That is what he did with the Pharaoh, and that is what he did he did to the Devil too, tricking him into crucifying Jesus, and thereby setting Redemption History into play.
 
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