I posted
and IowaLutheran replied:
and he was absolutely right, it would be off-topic -- for that thread. But I'm actually quite interested in hearing how he would re-word what I said to make it factually accurate. I've already noticed that what I hear from the average congregant differs somewhat from what I hear from council-members who have to deal with the administrative details of the pastor's contract and our synod membership, and such, and their understanding differs from what I read on the Liturgy-L mailing list.
And, of course, all of them differ from the rather less-amicable-to-anglicanism opinions expressed by WELS and LCMS lutherans both lay and clerical, in which I am not particularly interested for the purposes of this thread, and which I have received in abundance when I have posted in TCL, which is why I am posting this thread specifically here.
Lutherans accept only two sacraments: baptism and communion. For them, what distinguishes a cleric is his call. As it was explained to me by the members of our ELCIC parish council: a seminarian who has completed his training cannot be ordained until he or she is called by a congregation to be their pastor. The congregation's call is the evidence that he is called by God to the pastorate, in response to which, he is ordained. Although Lutherans don't have the theological concept of a sacramental ordination, a person called to be the pastor-in-charge of a congregation is theologically understood to be a priest, but is usually not called "priest" in the congregation in order not to undermine the congregations self-understanding as priests in the Priesthood of all Believers.
and IowaLutheran replied:
I would quibble with your understanding of Lutheran sacramental theology - some of what you have stated is what is commonly assumed and taught but is not really correct. That would be way off topic however!
and he was absolutely right, it would be off-topic -- for that thread. But I'm actually quite interested in hearing how he would re-word what I said to make it factually accurate. I've already noticed that what I hear from the average congregant differs somewhat from what I hear from council-members who have to deal with the administrative details of the pastor's contract and our synod membership, and such, and their understanding differs from what I read on the Liturgy-L mailing list.
And, of course, all of them differ from the rather less-amicable-to-anglicanism opinions expressed by WELS and LCMS lutherans both lay and clerical, in which I am not particularly interested for the purposes of this thread, and which I have received in abundance when I have posted in TCL, which is why I am posting this thread specifically here.