Imputed And/Or Infused Righteousness?

[GoldenKingGaze]

What is this teaching about imputed and infused righteousness?

We are accounted for as righteous by faith. That is imputed righteousness, right?

When the presence of the Holy Spirit, such as in living water, or Jesus blood, or the fire of God, and also our free gift of salvation is received, then it infuses justice and life toward God into our spirits and also changes the soul... True? God has transforming power, by His presence right?

 

[Easystreet]

What is this teaching about imputed and infused righteousness?

We are accounted for as righteous by faith. That is imputed righteousness, right?

When the presence of the Holy Spirit, such as in living water, or Jesus blood, or the fire of God, and also our free gift of salvation is received, then it infuses justice and life toward God into our spirits and also changes the soul... True? God has transforming power, by His presence right?

Remember that words are our avenue to convey meaning. Yes, if you are saved you are infused, or indwelt, sealed, sanctified, adopted, etc.

Gordon

 

[cygnusx1]

Imputed not infused.
I don't want to confuse imputation, and infusion. Righteousness was 'counted' to Abraham in Genesis 15:6, it doesn't say that 'Abraham believed in God, and he became righteous because of it'...it says counted. I believe that i am counted righteous in Christ, a bold statement if ever there was one from a sinner like me, counted righteous because of the work of Christ in life, death, resurection, election and imputation, this doesn't mean that i think that somehow i am righteous like Christ. My faith does not give me the ability to make myself right with God. No. For that i need Christ, and Christ's righteousness imputed, counted to me. I can't do it myself. Christ's righteousness is not the car that starts me on the road to being right with God. It is the car, the road, the journey, the destinstion, the petrol...you get the idea!


http://edsfalliblethoughts.blogspot.com/2006/05/why-i-love-doctrine-of-imputation.html

 

[Easystreet]

GKZ watch out CYG will smack you on the noggin with that smelly fish, he continually holds. And the weird animal on the right of his post I think might be a re-incarnation of Calvin, or it could be the results of eating tulips, it kind of turns some in to animals, if you know what I mean. I kinda think of RT Caltulipist as looking more like this .

 

[nobdysfool]

GKZ watch out CYG will smack you on the noggin with that smelly fish, he continually holds. And the weird animal on the right of his post I think might be a re-incarnation of Calvin, or it could be the results of eating tulips, it kind of turns some in to animals, if you know what I mean. I kinda think of RT Caltulipist as looking more like this .

Gordon, that is not necessary. It is a subtle swipe at Cygnus (and Calvinists), disguised as "friendly advice". I thought you said somewhere else that you didn't think this was acceptable behavior. Shall I dig out that quote, so all can see here?

As for meanings of words,. "infused" righteousness is the teaching of the RCC. Are you a closet catholic?

 

[Easystreet]

Gordon, that is not necessary. It is a subtle swipe at Cygnus (and Calvinists), disguised as "friendly advice". I thought you said somewhere else that you didn't think this was acceptable behavior. Shall I dig out that quote, so all can see here?

As for meanings of words,. "infused" righteousness is the teaching of the RCC. Are you a closet catholic?

Calvinistic Infusion:On the Relationships between Infusion, Regeneration, and JustificationDr. Michael SudduthMarch 18, 2001(RB Post)

You don't say - Apparently you are very selective in what you read which does not surprise me. Looks like you are wrong again, infusion is a word that can be used for a lot of applications, where did you go to school?
http://www.homestead.com/philofreligion/files/RBCalvinisticInfusion.htm

 

[nobdysfool]

Calvinistic Infusion:On the Relationships between Infusion, Regeneration, and JustificationDr. Michael SudduthMarch 18, 2001(RB Post)

You don't say - Apparently you are very selective in what you read which does not surprise me. Looks like you are wrong again, infusion is a word that can be used for a lot of applications, where did you go to school?
http://www.homestead.com/philofreligion/files/RBCalvinisticInfusion.htm

Nice try, Gordon, turning this into an attack on me, an ad hominem, questioning my intelligence, because you got caught with your pants down. Grow up.

Obviously I struck a nerve, any good Baptist would bristle at the thought that anything they said could be interpreted as leaning toward the RCC. Yet, if you talk about "infused" righteousness (which was the topic), you are agreeing with the RCC. Trying to expand the topic of infusion beyond the OP is a red herring.

The question was regarding imputed righteousness as opposed to infused righteousness.

The Biblical teaching is Imputed Righteousness. God imputes the Righteousness of Christ to Believers, and we are counted as righteous in Him.

 

[holdon]

The Biblical teaching is Imputed Righteousness. God imputes the Righteousness of Christ to Believers

The sad part is that the Bible doesn't teach this nowhere at all. It is just human theology. But then, isn't theology human by definition anyway?

But please don't say: "The Biblical Teaching is" if it merely just some fantasy.

 

[nobdysfool]

The sad part is that the Bible doesn't teach this nowhere at all. It is just human theology. But then, isn't theology human by definition anyway?

But please don't say: "The Biblical Teaching is" if it merely just some fantasy.

Oh? So what then, pray tell, is the scriptural teaching regarding righteousness?

 

[holdon]

Oh? So what then, pray tell, is the scriptural teaching regarding righteousness?

What does scripture say?

Rom 4:3
what does the scripture say? And Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him as righteousness.

 

[nobdysfool]

That is IMPUTATION, holdon.

 

[holdon]

That is IMPUTATION, holdon.

Yes. But not of Christ's righteousness.... That's what the bible doesn't say.

 

[nobdysfool]

Yes. But not of Christ's righteousness.... That's what the bible doesn't say.

Inputation, by it's very meaning, is of something foreign to the one who receives it. If Believers are not imputed Christ's Righteousness, then whose righteousness is imputed to them? It can't be their own, else there would be no need for salvation. Whose righteousness is imputed to the Believer?

 

[holdon]

Inputation, by it's very meaning, is of something foreign to the one who receives it. If Believers are not imputed Christ's Righteousness, then whose righteousness is imputed to them? It can't be their own, else there would be no need for salvation. Whose righteousness is imputed to the Believer?

No, imputation is: being considered as, held to be, reckoned. See Romans 4:8 for instance.

 

[nobdysfool]

For an answer to this assertion, which completely destroys it, follow this link, which is specifically granted access by the website itself.

Was the sin of Adam imputed to us? Was our sin imputed to Christ on the Cross? How then can you say that Christ's righteousness was not imputed to us when we believed? On what other basis than Christ's work on our behalf can we be said to be righteous before God?

 

[holdon]

For an answer to this assertion, which completely destroys it, follow this link, which is specifically granted access by the website itself.

I think both them guys are wrong. Fundamentally, to impute is to reckon something one has not. see for instance Rom 2:26

Was the sin of Adam imputed to us?

Not that I know of....

Was our sin imputed to Christ on the Cross?

Yes, in a sense that is very true.

How then can you say that Christ's righteousness was not imputed to us when we believed?

Because the bible doesn't say it.

On what other basis than Christ's work on our behalf can we be said to be righteous before God?

No other basis.

 

[cygnusx1]

I think both them guys are wrong. Fundamentally, to impute is to reckon something one has not. see for instance Rom 2:26

yes but what is imputed , it cannot be men's righteousness , they haven't got any !

 

[holdon]

yes but what is imputed , it cannot be men's righteousness , they haven't got any !

Yet, the unrighteous is deemed (imputed) to be righteous. God is just in justifying the ungodly...

 

[cygnusx1]

Yet, the unrighteous is deemed (imputed) to be righteous. God is just in justifying the ungodly...

yes , your half way there , now tell us how God does it .........

 

[holdon]

yes , your half way there , now tell us how God does it .........

Faith.