I'm looking to study the reformation

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I don't generally trust the "Complete Idiot's Guides". I think that the "... for Dummies" books tend to be better. I read the Complete Idiot's Guide to Understanding Catholicism, and found errors, though it was supposedly written by Catholics. I have heard that others have found errors as well. Check out the Amazon.com reviews; they also agree.

Also, Catholicism for Dummies actually carries the Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat, meaning that the office of a Catholic bishop approved the book as being free from error.
 
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d0c markus said:
Anybody got some good book reccomendations/movies/articles/websites anything like that? :help:
ok, here are some of the best books that I know of, some of which are easier than others:

1) The Intellectual Origins of European Reformation by Alister McGrath
Definitely one of the best books dealing with the various roots of reformation theology and practice. Very worth having and it's not too difficult a read.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...002-3060763-5876017?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

2) Luther In Context, Calvin in Context by David Steinmetz
Topical treatments of the theologies of martin luther and calvin. It's great because you can read their original words with some fair analysis by Steinmetz as well.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_2/002-3060763-5876017?v=glance&s=books
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_5/002-3060763-5876017?v=glance&s=books

3) The impact of the Reformation by Heiko Oberman
A great book tracing out the results of the reformation in society
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_9/002-3060763-5876017?v=glance&s=books

4) Luther by Heiko Oberman
One of the best Luther biographies out there...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_1/002-3060763-5876017?v=glance&s=books

5) Luther's Theology of the Cross: Martin Luther's Theological Breakthrough by Alister McGrath
Understanding this concept will let you understand Martin Luther as few do. It's worth studying as it will open up your understanding of the entire evangelical theology he preached and get you beyond the silly mischaracterizations of his thought that are usually pushed around.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=sr_1_26/002-3060763-5876017?v=glance&s=books

6) The European Reformation - by Euan Cameron
Good overview/synthesis of reformation history. Not good for small details but it does a good job of telling the story of the reformation
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_2/002-3060763-5876017?v=glance&s=books

7) The Age of Reform 1250-1550: An Intellectual and Religious History of Late Medieval and Reformation Europe by Steven Ozment
Though it sounds really boring and difficult, this book is actually suprsingly easy to read and really gives you a decent grasp of how the reformation was related to the church that came before it. Ozment has a very readable style that will keep you occupied and help you learn quite a bit at the same time.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...f=sr_1_4/002-3060763-5876017?v=glance&s=books

8) Lastly, if you just want some websites, I'd suggest reading the articles at http://www.monergism.com . Most of them are fairly simple and they won't really give you a good grasp of the the issues like thebooks will, but you can get some value out of them.

ken
 
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d0c markus said:
Anybody got some good book reccomendations/movies/articles/websites anything like that? :help:
I guess it's important to understand what it is that you want to learn about it? Any way to be clearer on your intent? Did you just want to know the reasons? Were you interested in what the reformers believed? Are you looking to find out who was involved?

God bless
 
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II Paradox II said:
ok, here are some of the best books that I know of, some of which are easier than others:

1) The Intellectual Origins of European Reformation by Alister McGrath
Definitely one of the best books dealing with the various roots of reformation theology and practice. Very worth having and it's not too difficult a read.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0631229396/qid=1071165056//ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i1_xgl14/002-3060763-5876017?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

2) Luther In Context, Calvin in Context by David Steinmetz
Topical treatments of the theologies of martin luther and calvin. It's great because you can read their original words with some fair analysis by Steinmetz as well.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0801020824/qid=1071165287/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/002-3060763-5876017?v=glance&s=books
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0195091655/qid=1071165287/sr=1-5/ref=sr_1_5/002-3060763-5876017?v=glance&s=books

3) The impact of the Reformation by Heiko Oberman
A great book tracing out the results of the reformation in society
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0802807321/qid=1071165476/sr=1-9/ref=sr_1_9/002-3060763-5876017?v=glance&s=books

4) Luther by Heiko Oberman
One of the best Luther biographies out there...
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0385422784/qid=1071165476/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/002-3060763-5876017?v=glance&s=books

5) Luther's Theology of the Cross: Martin Luther's Theological Breakthrough by Alister McGrath
Understanding this concept will let you understand Martin Luther as few do. It's worth studying as it will open up your understanding of the entire evangelical theology he preached and get you beyond the silly mischaracterizations of his thought that are usually pushed around.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0801020115/qid=1071165671/sr=1-26/ref=sr_1_26/002-3060763-5876017?v=glance&s=books

6) The European Reformation - by Euan Cameron
Good overview/synthesis of reformation history. Not good for small details but it does a good job of telling the story of the reformation
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0198730934/qid=1071166020/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/002-3060763-5876017?v=glance&s=books

7) The Age of Reform 1250-1550: An Intellectual and Religious History of Late Medieval and Reformation Europe by Steven Ozment
Though it sounds really boring and difficult, this book is actually suprsingly easy to read and really gives you a decent grasp of how the reformation was related to the church that came before it. Ozment has a very readable style that will keep you occupied and help you learn quite a bit at the same time.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0300027605/qid=1071166125/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/002-3060763-5876017?v=glance&s=books

8) Lastly, if you just want some websites, I'd suggest reading the articles at http://www.monergism.com . Most of them are fairly simple and they won't really give you a good grasp of the the issues like thebooks will, but you can get some value out of them.

ken
i have heard about alister mcgrath and cameron before, so they may be good to start
 
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d0c markus said:
i have heard about alister mcgrath and cameron before, so they may be good to start
They are both good, though McGrath can be difficult to read sometimes. Anyways, have a good time reading (BTW - I would highly suggest the other authors as well - all of them are top class scholars in their fields)

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I guess it's important to understand what it is that you want to learn about it? Any way to be clearer on your intent? Did you just want to know the reasons? Were you interested in what the reformers believed? Are you looking to find out who was involved?

God bless
all of the above, i want to know more about luther and his reasons.. i cant find copies of his books anywhere.
 
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Roald said:
I don't generally trust the "Complete Idiot's Guides". I think that the "... for Dummies" books tend to be better. I read the Complete Idiot's Guide to Understanding Catholicism, and found errors, though it was supposedly written by Catholics. I have heard that others have found errors as well. Check out the Amazon.com reviews; they also agree.

Also, Catholicism for Dummies actually carries the Imprimatur and Nihil Obstat, meaning that the office of a Catholic bishop approved the book as being free from error.

Thanks Roald for the heads-up on the Complete Idiot's Guide to Understanding Catholicism verses Catholicism for Dummies; I've had great luck with both series in other fields, but I don't know Catholicism well enough to have noticed errors. As a Methodist with a deep respect for our Catholic heritage I was and am looking for a basic introduction to Catholicism if you have other suggestions (not to hijack this thread).

Thanks.
 
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Origen said:
Thanks Roald for the heads-up on the Complete Idiot's Guide to Understanding Catholicism verses Catholicism for Dummies; I've had great luck with both series in other fields, but I don't know Catholicism well enough to have noticed errors. As a Methodist with a deep respect for our Catholic heritage I was and am looking for a basic introduction to Catholicism if you have other suggestions (not to hijack this thread).

Thanks.
Catholicism for Dummies is free from any error I can detect. It is a good beginning read for anyone who wants to know what Catholics really believe and practice. However, it does not do much, or anything, in the way of apologetics--defending what we believe. Of course, if you have any questions, those in OBOB love respectful inquirers. [/HIJACK]
 
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Does anyone else find it strange that Catholics posting in the Protestant/ Reformed/Evangelical Room are recommending catholic writers for information on the reformation which was an opposition to Catholic dogma?
 
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Does anyone else find it strange that Catholics posting in the Protestant/ Reformed/Evangelical Room are recommending catholic writers for information on the reformation which was an opposition to Catholic dogma?
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TwinCrier said:
Does anyone else find it strange that Catholics posting in the Protestant/ Reformed/Evangelical Room are recommending catholic writers for information on the reformation which was an opposition to Catholic dogma?
I don't know for sure, but I think it would be stimulating to see their side of it. I am actually interested in reading those books (the ones the Catholics are suggesting).
 
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Does anyone else find it strange that Catholics posting in the Protestant/ Reformed/Evangelical Room are recommending catholic writers for information on the reformation which was an opposition to Catholic dogma? .
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