James 1:1 "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
Well, James was written in 62 BC or so, before 70 AD, but how is it you can not grasp that he is writing to those of EVERY TRIBE who now lived in other parts of the world? Lets see, Chinese people probably live in most every nation around the world today also, as we speak. Just because the 12 tribes had people living all over, does not mean the 12 Tribes were not also living in Israel/Judea. Of course he had to write them, he could speak to the Jews living in Israel. And by the way, those God cast out, were never to be a part of Israel in God's eyes anymore He forsook them forever, as per being Israelis. Those God cast out, became Gentiles in God's eyes, He forsook them. But, its incredulous to me you can't understand that both can be and are true, all 12 tribes had people living around the Old World, AND those same 12 tribes can still have seed in Israel/Judea. So, he wrote unto them in a text and sent the letter, hoping the words would be spread around from church to church, and all would hear this greeting.
This means a resident in a Gentile country. Even some of Judah and Benjamin are included. But this proves that there are tribes that are scattered abroad. James's letter is to them, so they would indeed be Christians, so again, not Jews in the way you are claiming. There's not one verse that states saints are Jewish, even in Revelation.
Well, Jews now live all over the world, but they are still Jews, and thus they are Israelis from Judea, and thus they represent all 12 tribes, still.
Rev. 17:6 shows John speaks about the Saints AND the Martyrs of Jesus. So, you are just in error on this sister. If Saints covered only those of God, why did he include the Martyrs of Jesus? That can only be answered in one way, John and God who wrote Revelation saw them as different entities entirely.
They were told they were going to be as the stars of the sea and the sand of the sea. In Hosea, it tells us this number cannot be measured or numbered.That could only be possible if they were scattered across the earth. But again, God know where they are today. And will bring them together again.
Nope, did you realize that every human now on earth could comfortably live in the state of Texas? The number of stars moniker is just God understanding that back in that time they had no concept of a Million, and of course no concept of Billions. There are Trillions of stars, so it has to be a metaphor.
I still haven't seen you prove anything. You are completely disagreeing with both Christ and Paul so that's a huge thing right there.
No sister, you just do not understand the passages by Paul and Jesus. As I stated, there is no scripture that can be put forth on anything but the pre trib rapture that I can't overcome. You saying someone else can't prove something is not a great tactical move, you do understand anyone that says you are wrong on something has you defeated by that very allegation, why? Because their whole point is you do not understand the passages being spoken about. My point is if one kid in school is convinced that 5 x 5 is 20, that still doesn't make the answer 20 does it?
No, people are confused because they pull verses out of context to prove a theory instead of reading chapter by chapter and verse by verse. For instance these verses should be read together,
I have actually been called for 40 years sister, to preach, and unto prophecy. The Pre Trib will happen very, very soon. Do you know what happens at the rapture? Why do we who are alive need to be CHANGED? Well
1 Cor. 15 tells us, the dead in Christ are raised without corruption, but why?
1 Cor. 15:44 tells us, they are raised as Spirit Men (GO READ IT) and later we are told why, in vs. 50, because Flesh & Blood CAN NOT enter Heaven. So, now do you see why we need to be CHANGED? From a living human being into Spirit Men who can thus enter heaven without corruption (sin flesh). Which means we leave our flesh bodies on this earth. Or, put simply we die and our spirit man goes to heaven, to marry the Lamb. That is the change.
We can see for ourselves the original subject, where are the loved ones, and he then goes on to describe what he calls the day of the Lord. And he states "coming of the Lord" -one coming. We are to meet him in the air. Air in that verse does not mean sky or elevation. It just means the air we breathe in. And again we are meeting him and he's bringing those passed away loved ones with him. We have to apply some common sense here. If we were shooting off somewhere there would be no need to bring anyone. But that's not case.
The DOTL is THE ONE DAY God starts taking the title deed to earth away from Satan who tricked Adam and Eve out of it. God gave DOMINION over all things unto Adam, Satan tricked him out of this, that is why Satan is over every kingdom on earth, as he tells Jesus in Luke 4. God's Wrath lasts 1260 days, not one day. Then the DOTL extends through Jesus' 1000 year reign on this earth.
You haven't knocked anything down and you're argument is against Christ and Paul's words. When Christ states he comes immediately after the tribulation of those days I choose to believe him, not you. The mystery that Paul talks about is all are "changed" at the last trump, not raptured to heaven. There's no one verse that states anyone is raptured to heaven.
There you go, you finally gave me a passage to show you why your thought process is in error sister. You "choose to believe" Jesus but do not grasp what he is saying. By the way, he does not say he will come IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation of those days, you conflate verses 29 and 30. Jesus says the Sun and Moon goes dark immediately after the tribulation of those days [begins or starts]. Now we can read
Rev. 8 later and I can explain why (not now).
29
Immediately after the tribulation of those days[begin] shall
the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and
the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30
And then(1260 days LATER) shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Not being called unto prophesy, I see a lot of people make these same mistakes sister. Now allow me to show you the EXACT SAME THING, in
Zech. 14:1-3. We see 1/3 of Israel repents in
Zech. 13:8-9 then one verse later the DOTL (God's Wrath) falls, then in vs. 2, Jerusalem is conquered/sacked. Then in vs. 3 we get another
1260 day JUMP in time and Jesus shows up just like in
Matt. 24:29-30.
Zech. 14:1 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
2 For
I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
(The Anti-Christ/Beast Conquers Jerusalem)
3
Then (just like in Matt. 24:29-30 we see THEN via a 1260 day jump) shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
If Prophesy was linear in nature we would have books as long as Moby Dick. So, we have to have JUMPS in time like this, a prophecy guy understands this.
So, in
Joel 2:31 we see that fire is a judgment which comes as the wrath of God hits via the DOTL. In
Rev. 8 we see the actual event that brings this fire.
Trump #1 is an incoming asteroid breaking apart, which brings fires to 1/3 of the worlds trees, the Americas imho, it has 1/3 of the worlds landmass combined. So, just like Sodom, and asteroids sets these blazes as it fragments, except this time its going to hit, not break completely apart.
Trump #2 is the asteroid impact the earthquake is the impact.
Trump #3 is the Fallout or Wormwood which means poison, so what ever is in that asteroid, after the impact, it spreads a poison to the fresh waters in the 1/3 area where it hits. Finally
Trump #4 is the Sun and Moon getting dimmed by 1/3 or going dark as Joel 2:31 and the 6th Seal prophecy forecasts. So,
THIS(Asteroid impact) is what the Matthew 24:29 verse is pointing out that just after the TROUBLES BEGIN (DOTL/God's Wrath) via an asteroid impact (God's Wrath) we will see the Sun & Moon go dark, and a blood red moon, caused by 1/3 of the earth burning, thus we see a Red Hue from back on earth from the glows of the fires.
So, Matt. 24:30 is 1260 days AFTER the asteroid impact causes the Sun & Moon to go dark in vs. 29, that is why it says
AND THEN............just like Zech. 14:3 is 1260 days AFTER Jerusalem is conquered in vs. 2. says
THEN.... Both are a flash forward in time, past the 1260 days of God's wrath, and the Anti-Christs 1260 day or 42 month rule on earth. THEN...........Jesus shows up. So, Jesus NEVER CLAIMED he came immediately after, he said the Sun and Moon will go dark IMMEDIATELY AFTER the tribulation of those days [begin]. You know why this is EASILY PROVABLE? Because we can follow the TIMELINE in the book of Revelation, which shows The Fourth Trump (Trumps 1-4 are ONE ASTEROID EVENT which is shown in Four Phases) brings this Darkness spoken of by Jesus in vs. Matt. 24:29......NOW.....Lets go over all the other events that have to happen after Trump #4 (Matt. 24:29) to see if Jesus really comes IMMEDIATLY AFTER Matt. 24:29.
Trump #5 or the First Woe comes, we see that they can not kill humans. but they are given , FIVE MONTHS to torture these people. So, this wipes out any claim that Matt. 24:29 and 30 happen close together, at all. You see, I understand prophecy is vague, but can be PULLED OUT via study sister. Then we get the Sixth Trump or Woe #2, where 200 million Angelic beings kills 1/3 of all those men who have taken the Mark of the Beast. Then we get the 7th Trump (3rd Woe) which is all 7 Vials. This lasts 75 days in my mind because the Two-witnesses have to show up 75 days before the A.C. becomes the Beast, as Malachi 4:5-6 says Elijah much come BEFORE the DOTL. Thus they must also die at least 75 days before the Beast dies, thus the 3rd Woe has to last 75 days, because they die just after the 2nd Woe, as Rev. 11 tells us. So, the First Four Trumps start at the midway point, or 1260 days before Jesus' return, then Apollyon is released at the 1st Woe, which MUST LAST 5 months, so the First Four Trumps then the 1st Woe (5th Trump) last maybe 6-8 months combined. Then we get a long undefined period where God wipes out those men who have taken the Mark of the Beast via the 5th Trump/3rd Woe, billions are killed over a long period of time. Then we get the 7th Trump/3rd Woe which is all 7 Vials.
All of this has to happen AFTER the Trumps begin God's Wrath, which is the TRIBULATION of those days. The Sun and Moon goes dark IMMEDIATELY AFTER the Tribulation of those days as vs. 29 tells us, nowhere does it says Jesus comes back immediately after the tribulation, that is just you not putting it together properly sister, the AND THEN........or THEN...........always points to a later point in time in prophecy. You conflated verses 29 and 30.
Apostasy is defection of the truth, falling away -forsake. It coincides with Timothy's teaching as well. We cannot change the Word to suit ourselves. We all might disagree on varying things in the bible but this one is very plain to see.
Showing me OTHER VERSES that are actually talking about a Departure from the Faith does not show that 2 Thess. 2:1-6 is speaking about a Departure from the Fait, you do understand that right? 2 Thess. 2 us referring to a Gathering unto Christ Jesus. PERIOD, that is it.
I've not dodged anything, Revelation 12 alone tells us there will indeed be Christians here on the earth during that time period. That's how they will be overcome him, by the blood of the lamb and the word of their testimony.
Yes, but the word REMNANT means what? Look it up, a SMALL PART of a bigger part. A Remnant of a dress would be a sleeve, or a cuff, meaning the whole dress is not present. The Remnant in Rev. 12:17 means the Church is not on this Earth, else those who repent during the 70th week would not be called a Remnant. So, you missed the whole point.
Again, this does not prove the saints in Revelation are just Jews.
Rev. 17:16 proves 100 percent that John thought the Saints were Jews, that is the only explanation sister. He clarified that in the verse very explicitly.