Hilariously-optimistic and confusing NT salvation verses

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Here is a trinity of examples …

(A) … Romans 6 (NKJV):
1 Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not!
15 Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!
16 Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey,
you are that one’s slaves whom you obey,
whether (slaves) of sin leading to death,
or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness?
18 … you became slaves of righteousness.
19 … so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.
22 But now … having become slaves of God,
you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life.
23 For the wages of sin is death,
but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

In Romans 6, Paul goes to great lengths warning these believers NOT to sin,
i.e. to STOP sinning … for sin results in eternal death (re: verses 16, 21, 23).
Then he says they became slaves of righteousness and slaves of God, so …
their reasonable service is to present their bodies as slaves of righteousness
and as holy living sacrifices to God:
“I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God,
that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God,
which is your reasonable service.” (Romans 12:1)

He is tactfully saying that they are supposed to be these things!
But, they are not living like they are these things.
They are living like they’re on the way to eternal death.

(B) … Hebrews 10 (NKJV):
23 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering,
for He who promised is faithful.
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth,
there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
29 Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy
who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant
by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know Him who said, “Vengeance is Mine, I will repay”, says the Lord.
And again, “The Lord will judge His people.”
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
36 For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God,
you may receive the promise:
37 “For yet a little while, and He who is coming will come and will not tarry.
38 Now the just shall live by faith;
but if anyone draws back, My soul has no pleasure in him.”

39 But we are not of those who draw back to perdition,
but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.

The writer of Hebrews warns that God’s judgment will fall upon believers (v.29)
who draw back (v.39) from the faith … because these draw back to perdition (hell).
Then he tactfully says that these Hebrew Christians are NOT in this group (v.39)
… meaning that they had better NOT be found guilty of such unfaithfulness!

(C) … Philippians 1:6 (NKJV):
6 being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you
will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ;
… Philippians 2:12-16 (NKJV):
12 Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed,
not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence,
work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
13 for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.
14 Do all things without complaining and disputing,
15 that you may become blameless and harmless, children of God without fault
in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation,
among whom you shine as lights in the world,
16 holding fast the word of life, so that I may rejoice in the day of Christ
that I have not run in vain or labored in vain.

Paul says he is confident that Jesus will be successful in completing His work
(of fully sanctifying) ALL of the members of the church at Philippi. Okay, great.
Then in Chapter 2, Paul warns them to work out their salvation with fear and
trembling because it is God Himself who is working in them to make them blameless.
He tells them to hold fast the word of life so that he has not labored for them in vain.
He is saying that if they fail to endure in the faith, they will lose their salvation
and his work with them will have been a waste of his time.
How can he have this fear of failure, if he is so confident in them (1:6)?
 

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"but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Right there it is, eternal life is a gift not something you are owed as wages.
Seems you promote the idea of earning your salvation by doing good works and being good versus the grace of God without which no one is saved.
Jesus came to save sinners, those who are sick in need of a doctor to make them well.
And He cures our spiritual afflictions, making us whole and with a sound mind to discern the evil from the good.
Christ ever lives to make intercession for the saints, and that is according to the will of God.
 
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"but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."

Right there it is, eternal life is a gift not something you are owed as wages.
"Owed wages" 'ere we go with the false accusation again.
C'mon Mr Downey, flog that horse one more time.

Seems you promote the idea of earning your salvation by doing good works and being good versus the grace of God without which no one is saved.
Only cos you want it to 'seem'. Right ?

Jesus came to save sinners, those who are sick in need of a doctor to make them well.
And He cures our spiritual afflictions, making us whole and with a sound mind to discern the evil from the good.
Really, false accusations are good! Listen up, NO, they are not good.

BTW Jesus came to save that was lost. Google it, if it is easier for you.
 
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Romans 4New King James Version (NKJV)
Abraham Justified by Faith
4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh?
2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.


David Celebrates the Same Truth
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

Abraham Justified Before Circumcision
9 Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How then was it accounted? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also, 12 and the father of circumcision to those who not only are of the circumcision, but who also walk in the steps of the faith which our father Abraham had while still uncircumcised.

The Promise Granted Through Faith
13 For the promise that he would be the heir of the world was not to Abraham or to his seed through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. 14 For if those who are of the law are heirs, faith is made void and the promise made of no effect,15 because the law brings about wrath; for where there is no law there is no transgression.

16 Therefore it is of faith that it might be according to grace, so that the promise might be sure to all the seed, not only to those who are of the law, but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all

17 (as it is written, “I have made you a father of many nations”) in the presence of Him whom he believed—God, who gives life to the dead and calls those things which do not exist as though they did; 18 who, contrary to hope, in hope believed, so that he became the father of many nations, according to what was spoken, “So shall your descendants be.”19 And not being weak in faith, he did not consider his own body, already dead (since he was about a hundred years old), and the deadness of Sarah’s womb.20 He did not waver at the promise of God through unbelief, but was strengthened in faith, giving glory to God, 21 and being fully convinced that what He had promised He was also able to perform. 22 And therefore “it was accounted to him for righteousness.”

23 Now it was not written for his sake alone that it was imputed to him,

24 but also for us. It shall be imputed to us who believe in Him who raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead,

25 who was delivered up because of our offenses, and was raised because of our justification.
 
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Hey Mr Downey

Why are you shouting ? Posting Scripture is good stuff. Your following comments don't match up though.


What following comments? That was 100% Scripture!
 
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Romans 4New King James Version (NKJV)
Abraham Justified by Faith
4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh?
2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.


David Celebrates the Same Truth
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness,

6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”

David did not describe that God imputes righteousness apart from works. Read what David actually wrote - 'Blessed is the man to whom the Lord SHALL NOT IMPUTE SIN'. David said nothing about imputed righteousness.

David also said nothing about believing and faith, absolutely nothing. You all need to study scripture and seek the truth.
 
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David did not describe that God imputes righteousness apart from works. Read what David actually wrote - 'Blessed is the man to whom the Lord SHALL NOT IMPUTE SIN'. David said nothing about imputed righteousness.

David also said nothing about believing and faith, absolutely nothing. You all need to study scripture and seek the truth.

Apostle Paul drawing unwarranted conclusions? Do you not think Paul was the Lord's chosen apostle to reveal and teach His truth?
 
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Apostle Paul drawing unwarranted conclusions? Do you not think Paul was the Lord's chosen apostle to reveal and teach His truth?

Why does that surprise you? You have the ability to see what David actually wrote. David said absolutely nothing about imputed righteousness!
 
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You all need to study scripture and seek the truth.
Yes, believers really need to be taught by the precious indwelling Holy Spirit.
Problem is ...
-- one needs to have Him indwelling him/her, and
-- one needs to be OPEN to receiving the spiritual Truths
which are opposed to one's condition of spiritual deception

Time is short .. so basically just forget the OT ...
Believers now are in a new and mucho better covenant !!!

Just reminding y'all once again ...
Being obedient to Jesus' command to obey His commands
is NOT doing WORKS of any kind whatsoever!
Obedience is not works.
 
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