Have you considered New Jersey for your next killing?

[clirus]

Have you considered New Jersey for your next killing?

We in New Jersey have now eliminated the death penalty so you should reconsider New Jersey for your next killing.

We have casinos that can be robbed, women that can be raped and cities that can be burned. If a few men, women and children are killed while you are on a tear, you can only be given life in prison.

Don't even sweat the life in prison thing either, when the jails get crowed, there will be a mass release and you will be back on the streets again even before you have had time to rest.

Even if you have to spend a little time in prison, we know your pain and can surly find enough bleeding heart liberal men and women to take care of you sexual needs.

While you are in prison or on trial, you can do whatever you want. What are they going to do, sentence you to a second life sentence.

Send today for your free guide to the least guarded business, least protected women and least protected towns that are available for your perfect adventure.

Why go anywhere else when you can have it all in New Jersey.

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I guess there will always be a discussion of which works better with people, "the carrot or the stick". I believe both are required. It is good to encourage people and expect that they will respond by being good, but the Bible tells us that the base nature of humans is evil, so there will always be those that fail to follow the encouragement and will do evil.

I favor the three strikes and you are out way of dealing with people that are evil. Too much time, trouble and effort is being made putting people in prison just to make bleeding heart liberals feel good that they are not a part of executing criminals. Instead of prison, the killer should be sentenced to death, then if a bleeding heart liberal requests the person be assigned to them, both the bleeding heart liberal and the killer would be responsible for the next crime committed.

I don't expect execution to deter crime, just to eliminate the rotten apple from the barrel before the whole barrel is destroyed.

Any society that fails to eliminate evil will be destroyed by the evil it fails to eliminate.

Evil is like cancer, it exists and it must be dealt with, or it will kill the host. Some time you have to stay away from cancer producing agents, and some times you have to destroy/remove the cancer before it destroys the whole body.

 

[burrow_owl]

If I hadn't read other posts by the author of the OP, I'd assume this is a defense of NJ's decision, since it nicely satirizes the silliness of the pro-death penalty argument. Who really decides to murder first, and then picks a state based on its penal laws?

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

Well, now New Jersey has God's blessing! You know, that thing that all of you seek with your wanting of government proclomations of Christianity, and the living of a Christian life.

This is exactly what you want!

 

[Nathan45]

... can someone explain to me the practical difference between "Death" and "Life in prison without parole" ? They're not really going anywhere, are they?

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How many people do you think they execute in new jersey before this, anyway? Oh, that's right, None?

Of the states where the death penalty is legal:

5 have executed zero people since 76 ( including New Jersey, up until now. )
6 have executed *one* person since 76
12 states have executed a dozen people or less since 76.

Nobody other than Texas has executed more than 100 people. ( wouldn't you rather be here? lol )

Is this really a common enough penalty to make such a fuss about?

 

[JustOneWay]

I don't expect execution to deter crime, just to eliminate the rotten apple from the barrel before the whole barrel is destroyed.

After reading the OP, this little gem jumped out. If one doesn't expect execution will deter crime, then why waste 5 minutes trying to convince everybody that criminals will flock to Jersey to commit crimes because they no longer have a death penalty?

 

[Harpuia]

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=186

Texas... 405... this includes the Bush era which was 152 in his six years. That's almost an execution every two weeks.

The next one down is Virginia at 98.

 

[kiwimac]

The reason that the NJ legislature canned the Death Penalty is that far too many people have been put on death row in previous years and are now being found to be not guilty by modern forensics.

As well the Supreme Court still is considering whether or not the lethal injection constitutes 'cruel and unusual' punishment.

It is always right to err on the side of compassion.

 

[Selznak]

Is this really a common enough penalty to make such a fuss about?

I tend to think the same thing. Although I am quite happy about New Jersey abolishing capital punishment, many states that do have a death penalty law seem to use it so infrequently that I doubt that most murderers make it a serious consideration before carrying out their crime. Most murders occur in moments of uncontrolable passion or anger and are generally not carefully planned affairs by someone who doesn't expect to get caught. I'm afraid that I have always found the idea of the death penalty being a deterent to be a rather dubious one.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Gives me a warm n' fuzzy feeling to see some fellow Christians disappointed a State has ceased legal murder.

 

[icedtea]

The reason that the NJ legislature canned the Death Penalty is that far too many people have been put on death row in previous years and are now being found to be not guilty by modern forensics.



It is always right to err on the side of compassion.

Excellent point. I have heard of many cases.
However, I do not believe any criminal thinks they are going to get the death penalty, so its hardly an invitation to murder with impunity.

 

[GeoMetro]

As a Christian, I want the death penalty stopped in all 50 states.

I will NOT order the killing of an unarmed person.

 

[clirus]

kiwimac quote

It is always right to err on the side of compassion.

Response

Where is the compassion for the person that was killed by the killer?

Why did God order the execution of those who would not follow the Ten Commandments if there was not a purpose of eliminating those from society that will not follow rules?

There is a clear difference between execution as condoned by the Bible and killing that is a sin in the Bible.

 

[Jacey]

kiwimac quote

It is always right to err on the side of compassion.

Response

Where is the compassion for the person that was killed by the killer?

Why did God order the execution of those who would not follow the Ten Commandments if there was not a purpose of eliminating those from society that will not follow rules?

There is a clear difference between execution as condoned by the Bible and killing that is a sin in the Bible.

If I find that you've sinned, may I stone you or your wife or children?

 

[icedtea]

No, but the law is there to make sure some guilty can be.

 

[RealDealNeverstop]

Once again we see the OT being used to justify legal murder. There is a reason God said the OT was a mistake and replaced it with Jesus but hey, maybe there are peeps who know better than God?

 

[Suomipoika]

You see lots of quoting of the Mosaic Law, terminology around "crime and just punishment" and concepts such as "good people vs. evil people" being tossed around by those Christians who support the death penalty. However, if someone has extra time during the Christmas holidays, I believe this http://www.amazon.ca/Execution-Invention-Discourse-Rabbinic-Christian/dp/0195179196
should make an interesting read. "Death Penalty Discourse in Early Rabbinic and Christian Cultures". Go find out if the early Christians really spoke of the death penalty institution in the same kind of terms and in the same kind of tone as the OP of this thread. After all, Christianity didn't originate in Texas or in New Jersey.

 

[Billnew]

Majority of states don't have a death penalty.

As someone else already posted, Majority of states just
don't carry it out. They wait for death from old age as the method of execution.
If you don't execute the convict within 10 years of the
first conviction, you don't have a death penalty.
20yr plus, looses all benefits of the punishment, people have forgotten the crime, and see some pathetic mistreated prisoner, that "really has changed", and why would we want to execute this person?

One benefit to being on death row, they have no chance, even in liberal prisons to get parole. Unlike some states life sentences.

Either they are executed the same decade or let them rot in jail. I support prison reform too. No benefits to prisoners unless they find a way to earn it for themselves.
No tv, no cable, no a/c, unless they figure a way to earn the money to provide it. And if a prisoner goes off and destroys it?
Its gone until the prison earns enough to buy another.
The only exercise equipment should be for staying in shape, not for muscle building. Muscle building is a threat to guards and prison workers.(and see above for who pays for exercise equipment.)
Make prisons smoke free, so the prison can't be sued for an unhealthy enviroment. And take away any posters(hides holes in the walls) and remove the pin up girls.
These are Sexual harrassments for female workers.

Make prison hard, and show them they have to work to get things in life. Nothing should be free, except for bologna and water.

 

[HumbleMan]

Response

Where is the compassion for the person that was killed by the killer?

Where in the bible does it state that our compassion is dependent on the compassion shown by others?

 

[Verv]

Here is a question: if people are being found not guilty by modern forensics... What about the people who are found guilty by modern forensics?

Doesn't that mean that though with some we are now certain they didn't do it, with others we are now certain that they did do it?

Modern forensics sounds like a better argument for the death penalty than against.

 

[icedtea]

A good point. I am not against the death penalty, as long as the person is truly guilty.