Hating Christians, what's the root cause?

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The United Church of Canada.

When the Secular influences the Church, the secular takes over and the believers are left with a dire and serious decision to make.

There will come a day when the choices made to allow the world to run a Church, will result in the only outcome it can. Simply amazing. I notice how many anti and non Christians applaad groups like these. There's a message there. The Christ Jesus and the Apostles first taught it.

About the Catholic Church being my cup of tea? I dig Benedict and I think most "Catholics" are on the right track, but there are too many "other" teachings in that denomination for me to support and send my check to.
 
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What would you rather have been said to you. Let me guess. Kissy kissy your all right or the truth. The truth can hurt some people and in some result they will do one or the other. Be out raged or hurt. In that statement a christian is dammed if he does or doesn't. Out of the love for them some truthes need to be said for Gods beloved people. For if no one cared nothing would be said or done.
 
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One of the things that always annoys me is when a Christian will be an outright jerk. They will call people names, exhalt themselves by putting others down and claiming them to be sinners, not listen to what you are saying but debate semantics, refuse to admit that it is possible that they are wrong, etc.

Have you ever debated an atheist? It's quite the vitriol and elitism fest coming from their side of the debate.

Then they will say, "I don't care if you hate me. "Before they hated you, they hated me."

Truth is not important?

The prostitutes and tax collectors didn't want to kill Jesus. It was the Pharisees who planned to kill him and trap him.

Ah yes, the educated elites. The regular people flocked to Him. Sense a theme here? The pagans and secularists did executed Him though. I'm sure some were hookers and IRS agents. It just stands to reason.

Jesus usurped their power, and they didn't like that.

Hmm, sounds like the Intelligent Design vs. Evolution debate to me. Look who the elites are now.

Not everyone hated Jesus. He was followed by a crowd who wanted to hear what he had to say. Zaccheus, the tax collect, climbed a tree to see him. The prostitute came to wash his feet.

Keep preaching accurately my dear Buddhist co-debater.

Just because you are hated doesn't make you Christ-like.

I wonder if you know how I truly want to answer that question.

Hitler hated by almost everyone.

Hitler ruled a nation of devoted followers. He was truly "loved" by millions and millions. Hitler was also a socialist.

Does that equal acting like Christ???

The followers of Jesus were called Christians, as an epithet, first, in Antioch. It was a slight on them being holier than thou of the Greeks and romans living tehn. My how things do not change.

Jesus told us that if someone asks for something, give them more than they ask for.

He also said that hell is real, that marriage is a man and a woman, and that a brother that refuses to repent should be treated like a pagan or a tax collector. The lovey-dovey side of Jesus was only one side of Him.

That will be labeled "liberalism", and hated by some, because that means you aren't to hoard your wealth, as they did in Sodom and Gomorrah, but to share with those in need, and when you do this, you have done the same to Christ.

Virtually all of Hollywood is composed of "Liberals." Cruise around the Real Estate market and see what kinds of communities are places where the rich live and the poor can't afford to live in an out house on a rich liberals "estate." "Study, to show yourslef approved . . ."

Whatever "liberalism" was, it has been redefined and altered. Sound familiar?

And to stand up for this, you will be hated, called a Lie-beral. Expect it. Man is full of greed and selfishness, and to challenge that will result in insult and defensiveness.

Just about every single abortion is done for the benefit of the woman and man and not the innocent unborn child, which of course it kills. Care to debate that? And, we'll even stick to only science as our guide.

If you stand up to your church, and speak out when you know they are acting unChristlike, and not loving their neighbor as themselves, you will be thought to be a "mamby pamby" Christian for handholding them to hell, but Christ dined with the sinners, a gesture of honour, so will be labeled the same.

Where do I find the scriptural support for your perspective?

Shouldn't you, as a Buddhist, be presenting enlightenment theory?

He allowed the prostitute to wash his feet, and was judged by Simon for allowing her to approach. You will be, too.

Umm, I'm lost a bit. Where does it say that the woman washing His feet was a hooker? She was a "sinner" yes, but I wouldn't want to judge her about what kind she was. Aren't you the guy that chastises Christians for misstating the scriptures?

If one's goal is simply to be hated, it's very easy. Man is full of the ability to easily make anyone hate them. Act selfishly. Don't listen to the other. Don't have sympathy. Demand that you are always right. Blame others and condemn them, while barely knowing them, let alone their heart.

Have you ever "listened" to what Liberals say about those that reject their secular worldviews? Listen to Air America for one day. It is vitriol and elitism 24/7.

Be haughty about your salvation, and wave it in front of the unsaved like a, "Nyah nyah", showing that you really don't care about their eternity at all, but only your own.

Now wait a minute. Let's stay on track. I thought you despised the evangelical approach. That witnessing was rudeness. What's your position again?

Condemn generosity, helping others, helping the sick, approaching others in love rather than wrath, and your karma will to have all of that return back on you.

"Karma?" Where do I find that in "Biblical" scripture? This is a Christian website sir. And, as far as generosity and helping others goes, the Evangelicals are all over this planet DOING that very thing.

Then don't stop for a minute to question your actions, but think that you must be doing something right.

Have your ever read "Test ALL things and hold fast to that which is truth?" Have you ever heard of Christian music? It is 100% self examination. Stop learning about Christianity from Freethinker and Skeptic websites and your leftie professors in college.

A teacher told me once that there is that person in church, the one everyone wants to come sit by them because of their kindness, their gentleness, the love for others, and the warmth they bring. He said to go out and be that person in the world, the one everyone greets with such happiness, because of all that you give to them in Spirit.

What Buddhist told you that? I have never heard a Buddhist encourage someone to go to a Christian Church. Now, granted, many Buddhists are the nicest people around, but they hardly ever evangelize for thr Church. In fact, never.

Is such a person hated? Yes - by the people that are full of envy, like the Pharisees, of the people they usurp, like those that claim to have a BatPhone to God, for those that are humbled when they try to humble others to exhalt themselves to be exposed for the imposters they are. But this person is also loved very much as well, and that is what one should be focused on, and not let the hatred of such hard hearts make them stall for a moment.

You have a question to ask, but I see you are having a very difficult time asking it. If you desire to know that Jesus is the Lord, I will tell you honestly that He is. If you desire to become a Christian, I will be honest with you and tell you that it has its ups and downs, but it is the most exciting and beautiful way of life "of all time."

Other than that, my dear sir, you presentation is a bit askewed.

Why not become the Christian you seem to admire so much?

The world needs more Evangelicals out their helping the poor and the needy the lost and the hurting.

You seem to desiring to be that kind of person.
 
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Have you ever debated an atheist? It's quite the vitriol and elitism fest coming from their side of the debate.



Truth is not important?



Ah yes, the educated elites. The regular people flocked to Him. Sense a theme here? The pagans and secularists did executed Him though. I'm sure some were hookers and IRS agents. It just stands to reason.



Hmm, sounds like the Intelligent Design vs. Evolution debate to me. Look who the elites are now.



Keep preaching accurately my dear Buddhist co-debater.



I wonder if you know how I truly want to answer that question.



Hitler ruled a nation of devoted followers. He was truly "loved" by millions and millions. Hitler was also a socialist.



The followers of Jesus were called Christians, as an epithet, first, in Antioch. It was a slight on them being holier than thou of the Greeks and romans living tehn. My how things do not change.



He also said that hell is real, that marriage is a man and a woman, and that a brother that refuses to repent should be treated like a pagan or a tax collector. The lovey-dovey side of Jesus was only one side of Him.



Virtually all of Hollywood is composed of "Liberals." Cruise around the Real Estate market and see what kinds of communities are places where the rich live and the poor can't afford to live in an out house on a rich liberals "estate." "Study, to show yourslef approved . . ."

Whatever "liberalism" was, it has been redefined and altered. Sound familiar?



Just about every single abortion is done for the benefit of the woman and man and not the innocent unborn child, which of course it kills. Care to debate that? And, we'll even stick to only science as our guide.



Where do I find the scriptural support for your perspective?

Shouldn't you, as a Buddhist, be presenting enlightenment theory?



Umm, I'm lost a bit. Where does it say that the woman washing His feet was a hooker? She was a "sinner" yes, but I wouldn't want to judge her about what kind she was. Aren't you the guy that chastises Christians for misstating the scriptures?



Have you ever "listened" to what Liberals say about those that reject their secular worldviews? Listen to Air America for one day. It is vitriol and elitism 24/7.



Now wait a minute. Let's stay on track. I thought you despised the evangelical approach. That witnessing was rudeness. What's your position again?



"Karma?" Where do I find that in "Biblical" scripture? This is a Christian website sir. And, as far as generosity and helping others goes, the Evangelicals are all over this planet DOING that very thing.



Have your ever read "Test ALL things and hold fast to that which is truth?" Have you ever heard of Christian music? It is 100% self examination. Stop learning about Christianity from Freethinker and Skeptic websites and your leftie professors in college.



What Buddhist told you that? I have never heard a Buddhist encourage someone to go to a Christian Church. Now, granted, many Buddhists are the nicest people around, but they hardly ever evangelize for thr Church. In fact, never.



You have a question to ask, but I see you are having a very difficult time asking it. If you desire to know that Jesus is the Lord, I will tell you honestly that He is. If you desire to become a Christian, I will be honest with you and tell you that it has its ups and downs, but it is the most exciting and beautiful way of life "of all time."

Other than that, my dear sir, you presentation is a bit askewed.

Why not become the Christian you seem to admire so much?

The world needs more Evangelicals out their helping the poor and the needy the lost and the hurting.

You seem to desiring to be that kind of person.
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Have you ever debated an atheist? It's quite the vitriol and elitism fest coming from their side of the debate.

Have you ever debated a Christian? It's quite the vitriol and elitism fest coming from their side of the debate.

Wow kids, see how easy it is to insert words and say that applies to everyone!


Truth is not important?

I suspect fan's conception of empirical fact is so nebulous who knows what he really means by that.

Ah yes, the educated elites. The regular people flocked to Him. Sense a theme here? The pagans and secularists did executed Him though. I'm sure some were hookers and IRS agents. It just stands to reason.

The vast majority of people in the time of the Jesus myth were HIGHLY superstitious people with the "regular people" ever so slightly more than the "educated elites". Both thought things like gods caused the rain, mental illness,etc was possession and other things we know today to be demonstrably false. Fan's really saying nothing here.
Hmm, sounds like the Intelligent Design vs. Evolution debate to me. Look who the elites are now.

Which is why probably good that one of those things has reams of empirical fact supporting and developing it, and the other not only doesn't, but isn't considered a science and has yet to provide one piece of empirical fact for it. If people want to run around talking about square triangles and people say, "No, you are wrong." You can cry "elitism" all you want. It just makes such people making the assertion look more foolish.
Have you ever "listened" to what Conservatives say about those that reject their secular worldviews? Listen to Air America for one day. It is vitriol and elitism 24/7.

He also said that hell is real, that marriage is a man and a woman, and that a brother that refuses to repent should be treated like a pagan or a tax collector. The lovey-dovey side of Jesus was only one side of Him.

He also cursed a fig tree and disobedient children are to be killed. The Bible does a wonderful job of portraying him as one more superstitionist among others.

My guess is,Fan just made this thread to troll.
 
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Have you ever debated a Christian? It's quite the vitriol and elitism fest coming from their side of the debate.

Wow kids, see how easy it is to insert words and say that applies to everyone!




I suspect fan's conception of empirical fact is so nebulous who knows what he really means by that.



The vast majority of people in the time of the Jesus myth were HIGHLY superstitious people with the "regular people" ever so slightly more than the "educated elites". Both thought things like gods caused the rain, mental illness,etc was possession and other things we know today to be demonstrably false. Fan's really saying nothing here.


Which is why probably good that one of those things has reams of empirical fact supporting and developing it, and the other not only doesn't, but isn't considered a science and has yet to provide one piece of empirical fact for it. If people want to run around talking about square triangles and people say, "No, you are wrong." You can cry "elitism" all you want. It just makes such people making the assertion look more foolish.




He also cursed a fig tree and disobedient children are to be killed. The Bible does a wonderful job of portraying him as one more superstitionist among others.

My guess is,Fan just made this thread to troll.
Well there is two ways to look at it.If there is a worm in an apple. Do you let it consume the whole apple or how about this one. If you had cancer would leave it. Society can have many cancers do leave it and as for a parent. Who know that person better.
 
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Well there is two ways to look at it.If there is a worm in an apple. Do you let it consume the whole apple or how about this one. If you had cancer would leave it.

Good thing we're not talking about cancer,worms or apples.

Society can have many cancers do leave it and as for a parent. Who know that person better.

If by this post you mean it's ok for parents to kill their teenagers,well.....what else can you say to something so out there...
 
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Have you ever debated an atheist? It's quite the vitriol and elitism fest coming from their side of the debate.

As opposed to the certain type of Christian who believes he is God. Say, "I disagree with your interpretation" and you get "How dare you claim you know more than God!!"
"No no...if I was sure God is as God is generally depicted, and if I was sure God actually said that, I would believe it. It's *you* I don't agree with."
"So you think you're smarter than God? That you have the power to question God?"

Which, of course, explains the general attitude of "I have the only truth, and if you don't agree with my, you'll burn in hell, and I'll stand up in heaven and watch and laugh and deny you water, even when you beg."

but that's all right...that's what being a good Christian is all about. It's the people who disagree with it who are just full of vitriol and elitism.
 
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As opposed to the certain type of Christian who believes he is God. Say, "I disagree with your interpretation" and you get "How dare you claim you know more than God!!"
"No no...if I was sure God is as God is generally depicted, and if I was sure God actually said that, I would believe it. It's *you* I don't agree with."
"So you think you're smarter than God? That you have the power to question God?"

Which, of course, explains the general attitude of "I have the only truth, and if you don't agree with my, you'll burn in hell, and I'll stand up in heaven and watch and laugh and deny you water, even when you beg."

but that's all right...that's what being a good Christian is all about. It's the people who disagree with it who are just full of vitriol and elitism.

I think people forget that arguing with vitriol and elitism is separate from whether the argument being made is plausible or not. I think fan is trying to use the fallacy that if the person you are arguing with has a certain sort of attitude, then that attitude makes the argument in question false.
 
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Good thing we're not talking about cancer,worms or apples.



If by this post you mean it's ok for parents to kill their teenagers,well.....what else can you say to something so out there...
Well I didn't say I could do that,but it has some good sense to a perfect world. In by leaving unmorality unchecked the reality of it children of the wicked follow what the have been conditioned to.There lies a cancer unchecked it will kill the good of a people. God has killed men ,woman and children alike on that pretext. They end up rotten to the core.
 
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Have you ever debated a Christian? It's quite the vitriol and elitism fest coming from their side of the debate.

Wow kids, see how easy it is to insert words and say that applies to everyone!

Polly want a cracker. Come up with something witty or pithy or stay home and hope an accident makes a snappier answer comes off your keyboard randomly.

I suspect fan's conception of empirical fact is so nebulous who knows what he really means by that.

From the mind of the atheist. What else could you say.

The vast majority of people in the time of the Jesus myth were HIGHLY superstitious people with the "regular people" ever so slightly more than the "educated elites".

And what's changed? Cellphones and laptops and guys and girls still trying to get laid. Still people trying to excuse the whole creation away from having to deal with the obvious. You're kind of an easy non-godian to deal with. Not much there to shake things up. Rote and parroting and much fun to respond to.

Both thought things like gods caused the rain, mental illness,etc was possession and other things we know today to be demonstrably false.

Oh really. And today people close their eyes and hope that thing growing in their girlfriends gut is just last weeks spaghetti. But science as usual proves them wrong. Science to a Christian is a good friend.

Fan's really saying nothing here.

Speaking of saying nothing how do you get your keyboard from 0 x 0? Or let's say, just to get things on to a more scholarly path, say the universe for instance? Just a bunch of accidents bumping into each other in the dark causing light to happen and then everything else? Please excuse me if I laugh incredibly hard at the no God group. I love slapstick comedy. For a short time anyway. Then I gotta to get on to grown up things.

Which is why probably good that one of those things has reams of empirical fact supporting and developing it, and the other not only doesn't, but isn't considered a science and has yet to provide one piece of empirical fact for it.

Hold on . . . wait a second . . . nope, no cognitive dissonance here. Now how do you get something from nothing again? I asked my atheist professor that some time ago, and he told me to shutup. I asked him when my math professor could get an answer to 0 x 0 coming up with something other than 0. Talk about myth, the universe just some how popping into existense, really, really small and growing larger. And of course there's always the slime to monkeys to men thing to get the party started.

If people want to run around talking about square triangles and people say, "No, you are wrong." You can cry "elitism" all you want. It just makes such people making the assertion look more foolish.

Square triangles make more sense than non godianism. You can actually see a triangle. You can't see something from nothing. EVER!

What created "time" my fine atheist adversary? An accident or the big bang?

He also cursed a fig tree and disobedient children are to be killed. The Bible does a wonderful job of portraying him as one more superstitionist among others.

As opposed to the non-godian way of thinking, I'll take the actions of an angry God anyday. God is a lot safer to deal with.

My guess is,Fan just made this thread to troll.

Wow, another non-original. You left out the flat earther charge. Did you put down your skeptics playbook?

Now, are you using intelligent design for your comebacks or random actions in an empty void?

Oh c'mon, let me answer for you.
 
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wow, that's a whole lot of snark from somebody trying to point his finger at the other guy.

Ooh, snark, good word. I'm taking that as a compliment ya' know. (I'm a fan of Polycarp for a reason.)

Just a bit of fun with the eliter than thou club member.
 
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The Roman Catholics, you are quite correct.

Protestant Christians, well the largest Christian denomination in Canada will marry and recognize a homosexual union.

You should rephrase your post to say:

"There is no such thing as same-gender marriage in some Protestant denominations."


Churches who are at odds with God's word can't really be called Christian in the true sense. Even in the 1st century God was already chastising the churches in the book of revelation for things like sexual immorality and lukewarmness. So communities that marry homosexual couples cannot really be called Christian in the sense because Christian means to be "Christ-like" and a direct opposition to the Gospel is anything but being Christ-like.
 
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Churches who are at odds with God's word can't really be called Christian in the true sense. Even in the 1st century God was already chastising the churches in the book of revelation for things like sexual immorality and lukewarmness. So communities that marry homosexual couples cannot really be called Christian in the sense because Christian means to be "Christ-like" and a direct opposition to the Gospel is anything but being Christ-like.

I wonder if this largest denom in Canada reads through all of the New Testament or just presents what supports their social scene?

I notice with interest (in Canada), that Christians can be Christians as long as the never say anything against same-gender sex being inappropriate. I wonder how long for the other teachings of the Apostles that oppose secular life will be treated the same.

The slippery slide is now an absolute and a provable fact.
 
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Ooh, snark, good word. I'm taking that as a compliment ya' know. (I'm a fan of Polycarp for a reason.)

Just a bit of fun with the eliter than thou club member.

I hadn't realized that the Polycarp was a fan of the sort of sarcasm I hear from snotty, not terribly bright high-school students.
 
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Well I didn't say I could do that,but it has some good sense to a perfect world. In by leaving unmorality unchecked the reality of it children of the wicked follow what the have been conditioned to.There lies a cancer unchecked it will kill the good of a people. God has killed men ,woman and children alike on that pretext. They end up rotten to the core

So you are saying your God is a genocidal killer? Thanks for the clarification.
 
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I hadn't realized that the Polycarp was a fan of the sort of sarcasm I hear from snotty, not terribly bright high-school students.

I just put him on the iggie list earlier in the day, it's pretty obvious these threads are started as nothing but just to troll.
 
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