Full Preterism On The Rebuilding Of God's Temple

[robycop3]

"Judah"...the Jews...are the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, & Levi. "Israel" is ALL the tribes descendes from ALL of jacob's sons.

Physical israel is NOT the Church, although there are literal Israelis within the Church.

Most literal Jews don't accept Jesus as Messiah, but they're still Jews. God will reveal who the other Israelis are when His time comes.

Modern Israel is still a Jewish nation, although it includes individuals of many other peoples. That's a FACT that's hard to deny.

 

[jerry kelso]

"Judah"...the Jews...are the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, & Levi. "Israel" is ALL the tribes descendes from ALL of jacob's sons.

Physical israel is NOT the Church, although there are literal Israelis within the Church.

Most literal Jews don't accept Jesus as Messiah, but they're still Jews. God will reveal who the other Israelis are when His time comes.

Modern Israel is still a Jewish nation, although it includes individuals of many other peoples. That's a FACT that's hard to deny.

robycop3,

Good posting.
God will reveal the jews for the appropriate time for Matthew 24 is all about who is in that generation and the purging of Israel to accomplish their covenants of Abraham and David for these covenants are eternal and conditioned by full obedience by the nation of Israel. God bless. Jerry kelso

 

[parousia70]

parousia,

1. We agree on 490 total years for Daniel's 70th week is 70 weeks of 7 years.

Great!

2. We [agree] the 69th week ended when Christ was cut off at Calvary.

No we do not.

Scripture testifies that Messiah was to be cut off AFTER the 69 weeks had already ended, (in the Middle of week 70 to be exact) It does NOT say "At the end of the 69th Week" as you would have us believe.

 

[parousia70]

"Judah"...the Jews...are the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, & Levi. "Israel" is ALL the tribes descendes from ALL of jacob's sons.

In times of Great apostasy, Physical Israel is carried on through the FAITHFUL REMNANT, not through the disobedient sons. NEVER. As I said before, You have a bizarre idea of who Israel is. You count the disobedient sons of Abraham as Israel while rejecting entirely the faithful sons of Abraham.

Why would you insist that there are biblical Jews today who exist with no covenant, no known genealogies, no priesthood of Aaron, no Temple, and no observance of Torah as Moses commanded?!?!? Again, you have fabricated for yourself a new definition of "Jew" that has nothing in common with the bible's understanding of "Jew." Covenants have everything to do with being a Jew, and yet you have some group today that you call Jews who have no covenant religion in the way that the REAL Jews of the bible did.

We must NEVER count the continuation of Israel through the wicked sons but rather always through the faithful remnant!

Again, the Church is a JEWISH entity, which existed all the way back in Moses' time, and is made up of the remnant faithful of Israel.

There is no Israel apart from the Faithful Remnant in God's eyes, and Faithful Remnant Israel is the Nazarene sect, the sole surviving form of Covenant Judaism is known worldwide today as Christianity.

Israel is = King Jesus Christ and His JEWISH followers, with Gentile converts brought in as "Fellow Citizens".

Israel is NOT = Christ Rejectors of ANY stripe, in ANY location.

Modern Israel is still a Jewish nation, although it includes individuals of many other peoples. That's a FACT that's hard to deny.

Rather, Modern Israel is a MULTI ETHNIC SECULAR DEMOCRACY with ZERO relationship to the pre desolation Hebrew Theocracy.

There is not JEW alive today that can trace his or her lineage to ANY SINGLE pre desolation Hebrew Person. Not even one.

Todays Jews are Talmudic Jews. they do not follow the law of Moses, they follow the post christian Cult of the talmud.

They are no better off in Gods eyes than their Muslim neighbors. He rejects both equally.

 

[jerry kelso]

Great!



No we do not.

Scripture testifies that Messiah was to be cut off AFTER the 69 weeks had already ended, (in the Middle of week 70 to be exact) It does NOT say "At the end of the 69th Week" as you would have us believe.

parousia70,
1. Sorry, you are wrong again.
One if that was true we would already be in the millennial kingdom and the restitution of all things and Christ ruling and reigning.
None of this happened in 70 A.D.

2. This belief is steeped in replacement theology of the rights of the Davidic covenant going to the church instead of Israel and this is not scriptural for only Israel will be at the head of the nations. Believe me the families of the earth are not going to Jerusalem every year to worship the Lord and this has never happened as recorded in Zechariah 14.

3. You take the spiritual aspect of the Davidic covenant and make it ruling the physical kingdom and you rule nothing of the kingdoms of the world especially spiritually like as in the Davidic line or with Christ.
The Messiah was cut off in the 69th week.

4. The first 7 of weeks or 49 years was Daniel 9:25, which time the Holy Citry, its street, and wall were to be built "even in troublesome times. So the 490 years started with the commandment to restore and build Jerusalem unto the Messiah. There were 3 decrees.

5. 1st decree: was during the reign of Cyrus, king of Persia (Ezra 1:1-4; 38; Isaiah 44:28; 45:1-4;46:11).
It went through Cambyses his son and then ceased for a while. Darius 1 reigned and he reconfirmed the decree made by Cyrus and the work was started again. The temple was finished in the sixth year of his regn but the city was not restored although 57 years had passed since the decree by Cyrus. Artaexerxes came after Xerxes and reigned 20 years and he gave the 3rd decree to Nehemiah to restore Jerusalem to the Messiah (Nehemiah 2:1-6;19;Daniel 9 25,26). Nehemiah restored the walls in 52 days after he reached Jerusalem, but this was not the full restoration. That took place 49 years after the 3rd decree which was given about 452 B.C.

6. The 2nd period was 434 years. It began immediately after the 49 years and continued without a break to the time when the Messiah was cut off or crucified (Daniel 9:26). The hebrew word karath means cut off in death (Genesis 9:11; Deuteronomy 20:20; Jeremiah 11:19; Psalms 37:9). 49 and 434 is 483 years from the 3rd decree to the crucifixion of the Messiah. This is 69 of the seventy sevens of years, leaving the last 7 years concerning Israel and Jerusalem to be fulfilled after the crucifixion.

7. The 3rd period is known as Daniel's 70th week.
God ceased dealing with the nation in 70 A.D. They were broken off in unbelief and city destroyed (Daniel 9:26) and by Jesus in Matthew 21:43; 23:37-39;24:2; Luke 21:20-24. Also, Acts 13:45-49; Romans 11. Jerusalem will be in possession and given to the gentiles in the middle of the week (Revelation 11).

8. Your whole scenario of Jerusalem in Revelation is all wrapped up in Israel's callings done away with and there is no scripture to prove the replacement theology. Paul would never had mentioned about Israel being grafted back in and that their covenant would come to pass if it wasn't going to happen.

9. The tribulation is about the purging of Israel to fulfill their covenants in Abraham and David. Isaiah 66:6-7 has not brought forth her children yet and the law has not gone out of Zion from Jerusalem forever Isaiah 2:1-4. You can't prove this has ever happened and all you can say is because the kingdom would be foiled if they disobeyed which is true but, only temporary because David's throne would be forever in his lineage physically who would rule spiritually and not in the church who only have spiritual rule and who will only rule in rulership positions on the earth in the KoH and not as the head of the nations in Jerusalem. Jerry Kelso

 

[parousia70]

parousia70,
1. Sorry, you are wrong again.
One if that was true we would already be in the millennial kingdom and the restitution of all things and Christ ruling and reigning.

Please present ONE entity in the universe today that is above Christ's current rule and reign.
One will do.
There are NONE.

Jesus Christ, not satan, is God and King over this world (over all of heaven and earth):

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Ephesians 1:19-23
He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

1 Peter 3:22
Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.

Revelation 1:5-6
Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.


Scripture Says Christ is Ruling the earth NOW.

I recommend you align your views with the clear testimony of Scripture.

2. This belief is steeped in replacement theology of the rights of the Davidic covenant going to the church instead of Israel and this is not scriptural for only Israel will be at the head of the nations. Believe me the families of the earth are not going to Jerusalem every year to worship the Lord and this has never happened as recorded in Zechariah 14.

1) As I have laid out in excruciating detail multiple times for you, The remnant Nazarene Sect of Judaism IS True Israel, and the rest were cut off from among the people.

Jesus Christ and His Jewish Followers, with Gentile Converts welcomed as "Fellow Citizens" are the heirs to the promises... not the Christ rejecting Pagans you call "Israel"

2)That you believe The Glorified Jesus Christ will one day Sit on a physical throne in Jerusalem and require Human beings to be physically circumcised and render Blood Animal Sacrifices directly to Him for atonement of their sins and acceptance by Him puts you in direct opposition to the teaching of Jesus and the Apostles.

Again I recommend you align your views with theirs.

The Messiah was cut off in the 69th week.

Scripture plainly refutes you:

Daniel 9:26
“And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off,

Jerry Kelso says NO, not after 62 weeks but DURING the 62nd(69th) week.
Daniel plainly, simply says "AFTER the 62 (69) weeks Messiah shall be cut off.

Sorry Jerry, but choosing between which two of those opposing statements is true and correct, my money will be on Daniel. Every time.

 

[jerry kelso]

Please present ONE entity in the universe today that is above Christ's current rule and reign.
One will do.
There are NONE.

Jesus Christ, not satan, is God and King over this world (over all of heaven and earth):

Matthew 28:18
And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.

Ephesians 1:19-23
He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

1 Peter 3:22
Jesus Christ, who is at the right hand of God, having gone into heaven, after angels and authorities and powers had been subjected to Him.

Revelation 1:5-6
Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.


Scripture Says Christ is Ruling the earth NOW.

I recommend you align your views with the clear testimony of Scripture.



1) As I have laid out in excruciating detail multiple times for you, The remnant Nazarene Sect of Judaism IS True Israel, and the rest were cut off from among the people.

Jesus Christ and His Jewish Followers, with Gentile Converts welcomed as "Fellow Citizens" are the heirs to the promises... not the Christ rejecting Pagans you call "Israel"

2)That you believe The Glorified Jesus Christ will one day Sit on a physical throne in Jerusalem and require Human beings to be physically circumcised and render Blood Animal Sacrifices directly to Him for atonement of their sins and acceptance by Him puts you in direct opposition to the teaching of Jesus and the Apostles.

Again I recommend you align your views with theirs.



Scripture plainly refutes you:

Daniel 9:26
“And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off,

Jerry Kelso says NO, not after 62 weeks but DURING the 62nd(69th) week.
Daniel plainly, simply says "AFTER the 62 (69) weeks Messiah shall be cut off.

Sorry Jerry, but choosing between which two of those opposing statements is true and correct, my money will be on Daniel. Every time.

parousia 70,

1. I am sorry I have to go to work but I will say this.

2. Daniel 9:24-27 is future and restoration and building of Jerusalem.
The 62 weeks of sevens the street shall be built again, and the wall in troublesome times. This didn't happen in the 62nd week. The crucifixion did. This means that the 483 years will still be when the tribulation and the street is built etc. In Revelation 11: the temple sacrifices are in the middle of the tribulation and the Antichrist will defile the temple according to 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4.

3. The phrase after the 62 weeks the Messiah shall be cut off also said but not for himself. Calvary was for the whole world and not Israel's calling on earth. This is the gap and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the city, the desolations and confirming the covenant are in the time of Jacob's trouble and after the 62 weeks. This is why it is in the 70th week.

4. Daniel 9:24 for Israel's callings has not been fulfilled yet and this is also why anointing the most holy is the temple and not the Messiah himself. It also is not fulfilled for Israel and their callings for it has not fulfilled Jeremiah 31:31-32. This will not happen till the future as in Hebrews 8:7-13.
I have told you the proper context in Daniel 9:24-27 and how they agree with the big picture of the new covenant with Jeremiah and their covenants specific to them within the Abrahamic and Davidic covenant. Jerry kelso

 

[parousia70]

parousia 70,

1. I am sorry I have to go to work but I will say this.

2. Daniel 9:24-27 is future and restoration and building of Jerusalem.
The 62 weeks of sevens the street shall be built again, and the wall in troublesome times. This didn't happen in the 62nd week. The crucifixion did. This means that the 483 years will still be when the tribulation and the street is built etc. In Revelation 11: the temple sacrifices are in the middle of the tribulation and the Antichrist will defile the temple according to 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4.

Can you show me where antichrist is mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4? I must have missed it.

And what temple is Paul Speaking of there?
Certainly not a 21st century Jewish temple, for such would not be "The temple of God" would it?

 

[jerry kelso]

Can you show me where antichrist is mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-4? I must have missed it.

And what temple is Paul Speaking of there?
Certainly not a 21st century Jewish temple, for such would not be "The temple of God" would it?

parousia70,

1. 2 Thessalonians 3-4; The man of sin, the son of perdition is the one Antichrist. Verse 4, the Antichrist sits in the temple of God showing himself that he is God.

2. In verse 8 that Wicked who is the man of sin and the son of perdition the Lord will consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming. His coming hasn't happened yet.

3. In Revelation 11:1 shows the temple in the tribulation that is built and people will be worshipping in it. This correlates with 2 Thessalonians 2:4. This will be desecrated as in Matthew 24:15-21.
A time and times and a half is 1260 days in Daniel 12:7 is the same as Revelation 11:2.

Right now the jews are preparing to start sacrifices and building the temple is included. So it will be built in the future. Jerry kelso

 

[parousia70]

parousia70,

1. 2 Thessalonians 3-4; The man of sin, the son of perdition is the one Antichrist. Verse 4, the Antichrist sits in the temple of God showing himself that he is God.

The Bible nowhere teaches that the Man of Sin in 2 Thess 3-4 is properly, biblically identified as "antichrist". Such is from the traditions of man alone.

2. In verse 8 that Wicked who is the man of sin and the son of perdition the Lord will consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming. His coming hasn't happened yet.

The passage says that the man was active yet being restrained in their day (2:6-7) and that the Thessalonians knew of the situation. So this was a then-contemporary event. Moreover, the Zealot Messiah staging the Revolt from the Holy Temple was the delusion which led to Israel's national destruction (2:11). Next, we know that the phrases "brightness of his presence" and "spirit of his mouth" don't require a physical incarnation of God, for they never require such anywhere else in the bible when that language is used of God's judgments (see: Ps 44:3, Jer 4:26; Nahum 1:1,5; Isa 30:30-31).

The Jews understood that God governs human events and brings calamities upon nations as His personal judgments. It was through the eyes of faith that Elisha saw God's warring chariots of fire all around during a human battle (2 Kings 6:17). It was through the eyes of faith that Gideon raised his own sword and shouted "the Sword of the Lord" (Judges 7:20-22). It was with the eyes of faith that King David could say of his defeat of King Saul:

"Smoke went up out of [God's] nostrils, fire from His mouth devoured; coals were kindled by it. He bowed the heavens also, and came down with thick darkness under His feet. And He rode on a cherub and flew; And He appeared on the wings of the wind. And He made darkness canopies around Him, a mass of waters, thick clouds of the sky. From the brightness before Him coals of fire were kindled. The LORD thundered from heaven, and the Most High uttered His voice. And He sent out arrows, and scattered them, Lightning, and routed them. Then the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were laid bare by the rebuke of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of His nostrils." (2 Sam 22:8-16)

Likewise it was with the eyes of faith that Jesus labeled the destruction of their country the "coming of the Lord of the Vineyard" and "the Stone which crushes them" (Matt 21:40-45).

3. In Revelation 11:1 shows the temple in the tribulation that is built and people will be worshipping in it. This correlates with 2 Thessalonians 2:4. This will be desecrated as in Matthew 24:15-21.
A time and times and a half is 1260 days in Daniel 12:7 is the same as Revelation 11:2.

Right now the jews are preparing to start sacrifices and building the temple is included. So it will be built in the future. Jerry kelso

And again, any future modern 21st century Jewish TEMPLE will not be "The Temple of God" that Paul spoke of in 2 Thess.

 

[jerry kelso]

The Bible nowhere teaches that the Man of Sin in 2 Thess 3-4 is properly, biblically identified as "antichrist". Such is from the traditions of man alone.



The passage says that the man was active yet being restrained in their day (2:6-7) and that the Thessalonians knew of the situation. So this was a then-contemporary event. Moreover, the Zealot Messiah staging the Revolt from the Holy Temple was the delusion which led to Israel's national destruction (2:11). Next, we know that the phrases "brightness of his presence" and "spirit of his mouth" don't require a physical incarnation of God, for they never require such anywhere else in the bible when that language is used of God's judgments (see: Ps 44:3, Jer 4:26; Nahum 1:1,5; Isa 30:30-31).

The Jews understood that God governs human events and brings calamities upon nations as His personal judgments. It was through the eyes of faith that Elisha saw God's warring chariots of fire all around during a human battle (2 Kings 6:17). It was through the eyes of faith that Gideon raised his own sword and shouted "the Sword of the Lord" (Judges 7:20-22). It was with the eyes of faith that King David could say of his defeat of King Saul:

"Smoke went up out of [God's] nostrils, fire from His mouth devoured; coals were kindled by it. He bowed the heavens also, and came down with thick darkness under His feet. And He rode on a cherub and flew; And He appeared on the wings of the wind. And He made darkness canopies around Him, a mass of waters, thick clouds of the sky. From the brightness before Him coals of fire were kindled. The LORD thundered from heaven, and the Most High uttered His voice. And He sent out arrows, and scattered them, Lightning, and routed them. Then the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were laid bare by the rebuke of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of His nostrils." (2 Sam 22:8-16)

Likewise it was with the eyes of faith that Jesus labeled the destruction of their country the "coming of the Lord of the Vineyard" and "the Stone which crushes them" (Matt 21:40-45).



And again, any future modern 21st century Jewish TEMPLE will not be "The Temple of God" that Paul spoke of in 2 Thess.

parousia,

1. I am sorry but you are wrong and you have no idea of what is going on in the world today. The temple has to be built in order for the desolation to take place and cleansing of the sanctuary as in Daniel and Revelation.

2. There is no scripture that says there was a zealot Messiah in 70 A.D. There also had to be a falling away first and there was not falling away for the church was flourishing spiritually and were willing to die for Christ. Also, you would have to say what withheld the Antichrist coming on the scene was the event of the desolation itself. However, this doesn't go along with verse 7 of the restrainer having to be taken out of the way. The restrainer was a he. This disqualifies the event as the restrainer.

3. The Holy Spirit will not be taken out of the way because he will still be on the earth and in hearts of men who will be saved for the prophecy for the jews was in Joel that the Holy Spirit would be poured out on all flesh etc.

4. Michael the archangel is protector of Israel and he may step aside to allow the jews to be purged.
Governments will still be around and they will not be taken out of the way.
Both 1 and 2 Thessalonians were talking about the rapture and the second coming. Since the church will be raptured before the second coming they are the restrainer. The church is salt and light of the earth and when they are gone a big part of preservation power will be gone and then there will be a strong delusion God will send. The wicked will be revealed and the Lord will destroy him and this never happened for the Lord never came back to set up the kingdom and restitution of all things did not transpire.

5. Your context is man's traditions because it is nowhere in the context of the scripture. Jerry kelso

 

[parousia70]

parousia,

1. I am sorry but you are wrong and you have no idea of what is going on in the world today.
The temple has to be built in order for the desolation to take place and cleansing of the sanctuary as in Daniel and Revelation.

To insist that a future temple Built by Christ REJECTING men will be "The Temple of God" is untenable to this Christian, for such would be untenable to the Apostles.

2. There is no scripture that says there was a zealot Messiah in 70 A.D.

Again, Paul in the 2 Thessalonians passage claims it was a then contemporary event.
You say it wasn't.
My money is on Paul being right and you being wrong.

There also had to be a falling away first and there was not falling away

Have you read the Book of Jude Lately?

3. The Holy Spirit will not be taken out of the way because he will still be on the earth and in hearts of men who will be saved

Who says the HS is/was to be taken out of the way?

for the prophecy for the jews was in Joel that the Holy Spirit would be poured out on all flesh etc.

Peter claimed this was fulfilled at Pentacost... again, my money is on Peter being right and you being wrong.

4. Michael the archangel is protector of Israel and he may step aside to allow the jews to be purged.
Governments will still be around and they will not be taken out of the way.
Both 1 and 2 Thessalonians were talking about the rapture and the second coming. Since the church will be raptured before the second coming they are the restrainer.

All this is just fanciful speculation.

 

[jerry kelso]

To insist that a future temple Built by Christ REJECTING men will be "The Temple of God" is untenable to this Christian, for such would be untenable to the Apostles.



Again, Paul in the 2 Thessalonians passage claims it was a then contemporary event.
You say it wasn't.
My money is on Paul being right and you being wrong.



Have you read the Book of Jude Lately?



Who says the HS is/was to be taken out of the way?


Peter claimed this was fulfilled at Pentacost... again, my money is on Peter being right and you being wrong.




All this is just fanciful speculation.

parousia 70,

1. Revelation 11:1 the angel told John to Rise and measure the temple of God and the altar and them that worship therein.
The temple was already built in 70 A.D. So this context is not the historical context of 70 A.D.

2. 2 Thessalonians is a contemporary event in the future.

3. The book of Jude is to have been written between 66 or 67 A.D. and 80 or 90 A.D.
This is too late in the scenario of the Antichrist and the tribulation and the restitution of all things.
John wrote Revelation in the 90's and Jude fits it more than the 70's. At the same time some kinds of preterist believe John wrote Revelation in the 70's trying to fit the tribulation back then on the basis that Paul wrote about the coming of the Lord and those who were discouraging christians that the rapture had already happened and that they were in the days of the great tribulation. However, the churches were pretty much flourishing and they were not the focus of Rome in 70 A.D. as much as the ransacking of Israel.

4. The Kingdom of Heaven message was rejected by Israel in Jesus day. This shows that Israel fell because of Jesus prophecy (Matthew 24:1-2). After this is when the disciples asked about the sign of his coming which was a separate issue and context. You are trying to connect the two and you can't. The disciples tried to because of the end time signs for them but they didn't understand fully about the church age in between this time. That is why Jesus said the kingdom being restored wasn't for them to be concerned with at that time.
Certain christians believe that the Holy Spirit will be taken out of the way because the Holy Spirit is in the believers and if when they were gone the Holy Spirit was gone. It is based on a wrong understanding of Matthew 24 and the virgins and trimming or not trimming their lamps. This goes against Joel's prophecy.

5. Joel did not say that the prophecy was fulfilled on the Day of Pentecost because he knew what Christ told him about the kingdom. Joel said, THIS IS THAT WHICH WAS SPOKEN. This was because the Spirit being poured out on all flesh. In Joel's prophecy there has to be a restoration of agriculture and the kingdom. The latter rain is spiritual and physical. So it was not a complete fulfillment of Joel's prophecy and did not lead to the restitution of all things on all flesh.
I agree with Peter and Paul both.
The only fanciful speculation is your position which cannot be properly backed up by scripture and its context. Jerry Kelso

 

[robycop3]

First, "replacement theology" is false. All prophecy concerning Jews or Judah is about LITERAL JEWS, that is, the descendants of Judah, Benjamin, or Levi, regardless of their "faith" or present nationality. All prophecy about "Israel" or "Jacob" is about all literal Israelis, including the Jews. There are NO Scriptural reasons to believe otherwise.

The 'beast'/antichrist has NOT yet come. To say he was Nero is ridiculous. Nero did NOT have a false-prophet deputy who could work miracles such as calling down lightning or making his boss' statue speak. Nor did he issue any mark. And Nero was never in Jerusalem to have committed the AOD. Nero did not meet these, nor several other Scriptural criteria for the 'beast', while the TRUE beast will fulfill every Scriptural criterion to the letter.

The great trib will occur during the beast's reign, but won't last the entire 3.5 years lest all men should perish. Jesus shall end it early. To see some of what the trib will include, all one need do is read the revelation about the seals, trumpets, and containers. Easy to see why all men will be in peril, and easy to know these events have NOT yet occurred.

And Jesus said, in Matt. 24:29-30 that He'd return during a great cosmological disturbance that'll occur IMMEDIATELY after He ends the great trib. And, when Jesus returns, He shall stay, and rule the world from Jerusalem. Again, it's VERY OBVIOUS these events have NOT yet occurred!