Full Preterism On The Rebuilding Of God's Temple

[random person]

 

[robycop3]

David felt ashamed cuz he lived in a palace while God abode in a tent when He visited Israel, so he felt compelled to build Him a glorious temple.

While GOD has no need of any edifice to dwell in, He allowed Solomon to build Him a temple, which served as a point for Israel to gather and worship Him. That was the real purpose of the temple...a focal point for worship, while GOD is omnipotent, omniscient, & omnipresent everywhere at once.

When the Jews build their new temple in Jerusalem, its "holiness" will be upta GOD, as only HE can make anything holy. But the world will see it as a focal point for God's presence on earth, and once more as a focal point for worship. And thus, when the 'beast' defiles it by setting up his statue in it & declaring himself to be God, that'll be the "abomination of desolation". (No matter WHERE he were to do it, there can be no greater abomination to GOD than a MAN declaring himself to be God.)

Preterists insist the Jews won't build another temple, but they already have the plans & materials to do it, while they're breeding the animals to be used in temple ceremonies & observances. (Remember, the Orthodox Jews do NOT believe Messiah has come & the Old Covenant is no longer in effect.) And prets believe the "abomination of desolation" has already occurred, although there's NO record of it in history. The erection of a new temple would be the final nail in the preterism coffin.

"HISTORY AND REALITY trump all preterist assertions."

 

[random person]

David felt ashamed cuz he lived in a palace while God abode in a tent when He visited Israel, so he felt compelled to build Him a glorious temple.

While GOD has no need of any edifice to dwell in, He allowed Solomon to build Him a temple, which served as a point for Israel to gather and worship Him. That was the real purpose of the temple...a focal point for worship, while GOD is omnipotent, omniscient, & omnipresent everywhere at once.

When the Jews build their new temple in Jerusalem, its "holiness" will be upta GOD, as only HE can make anything holy. But the world will see it as a focal point for God's presence on earth, and once more as a focal point for worship. And thus, when the 'beast' defiles it by setting up his statue in it & declaring himself to be God, that'll be the "abomination of desolation". (No matter WHERE he were to do it, there can be no greater abomination to GOD than a MAN declaring himself to be God.)

Preterists insist the Jews won't build another temple, but they already have the plans & materials to do it, while they're breeding the animals to be used in temple ceremonies & observances. (Remember, the Orthodox Jews do NOT believe Messiah has come & the Old Covenant is no longer in effect.) And prets believe the "abomination of desolation" has already occurred, although there's NO record of it in history. The erection of a new temple would be the final nail in the preterism coffin.

"HISTORY AND REALITY trump all preterist assertions."

God had the Temple leveled for a reason. God had all of Jerusalem leveled for a purpose.

To never be rebuilt again.

Abomination of Desolation is marked by the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem which occurred in A.D. 70.

 

[robycop3]

God had the Temple leveled for a reason. God had all of Jerusalem leveled for a purpose.

And He allowed it to quickly be rebuilt, and it stands to this very day.

To never be rebuilt again.

MMRRPP! WRONG!

The orthodox jews already have the building materials in place to erect a new temple, & they're breeding the animals to be used for temple ceremonies & observances.

Abomination of Desolation is marked by the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem which occurred in A.D. 70.

No, it's NOT. Daniel described it as the 'beast' setting up his statue in the temple & declaring himself to be God. Revelation 13 affirms this.

 

[random person]

And He allowed it to quickly be rebuilt, and it stands to this very day.



MMRRPP! WRONG!

The orthodox jews already have the building materials in place to erect a new temple, & they're breeding the animals to be used for temple ceremonies & observances.



No, it's NOT. Daniel described it as the 'beast' setting up his statue in the temple & declaring himself to be God. Revelation 13 affirms this.

Is the Old Covenant still standing?

Are the Jews (the circumcision) still the Covenant people?

Are the Levites still the high priests of God (please remember if they are still the high priests, then this rules out all members of the other tribes of Israel and MOST CERTAINLY ALL GENTILES FROM BEING PRIESTS OF GOD)?

Are animal sacrifices still necessary for atonement of sins?

Does God still require all of us to journey and worship him at Jerusalem, at the Temple (c.f. John 4:20-24)?

If you say yes to any of these answers, you are in grave error in understanding the scriptures.

 

[robycop3]

Is the Old Covenant still standing?

Are the Jews (the circumcision) still the Covenant people?

Are the Levites still the high priests of God (please remember if they are still the high priests, then this rules out all members of the other tribes of Israel and MOST CERTAINLY ALL GENTILES FROM BEING PRIESTS OF GOD)?

Are animal sacrifices still necessary for atonement of sins?

Does God still require all of us to journey and worship him at Jerusalem, at the Temple (c.f. John 4:20-24)?

If you say yes to any of these answers, you are in grave error in understanding the scriptures.

The Orthodox Jews don't believe Messiah has come. They're still awaiting His first appearance.

Those Jews fully intend to build another temple in Jerusalem, and re-institute all the old ceremonies, observances, & sacrifices. They're breeding the animals such as red heifers to be used in those observances. They have all the building materials ready. When the time is right, they'll build it swiftly.

I don't believe God will make it holy, but mosta the world will view it as a "temple of God." As for priests? The Jews believe any male Jew surnamed "Cohen" ("priest" in Hebrew) is a Levite & therefore eligible for priesthood. (How they'll pick a High Priest, I dunno.)

This temple is necessary for the "abomination of desolation" to be committed in, to fulfill prophecy.

I believe the day this temple is finished, preterism will be fully discredited beyond a doubt.

 

[random person]

The Orthodox Jews don't believe Messiah has come. They're still awaiting His first appearance.

Those Jews fully intend to build another temple in Jerusalem, and re-institute all the old ceremonies, observances, & sacrifices. They're breeding the animals such as red heifers to be used in those observances. They have all the building materials ready. When the time is right, they'll build it swiftly.

I don't believe God will make it holy, but mosta the world will view it as a "temple of God." As for priests? The Jews believe any male Jew surnamed "Cohen" ("priest" in Hebrew) is a Levite & therefore eligible for priesthood. (How they'll pick a High Priest, I dunno.)

This temple is necessary for the "abomination of desolation" to be committed in, to fulfill prophecy.

I believe the day this temple is finished, preterism will be fully discredited beyond a doubt.

Wait!

The priesthood has changed (Hebrews 7:12, 18-19):

For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law. For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

There is no more sacrifice for sins (Hebrews 9:26; 10:10-12, 16-18):

For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

The Temple served as a shadow, a figure, and an imitation that had to pass away, was predestined to pass away (Hebrews 9:8-9, 11-12, 23-26):

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience; But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

If The Jews build another temple, a third temple, it will be blasphemous to Christ (Hebrews 10:28-29; Galatians 5:1-6):

He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing. For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law. Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace. For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

 

[robycop3]

Notice I didn't say the new temple would be a TRUE 'temple of God'. And I reminded the readers that the Orthodox Jews don't believe Jesus is Messiah, & that the Old Covenant is still in effect.

But most of the world will view the new temple as a temple of God, and the "abomination of desolation' will occur in it.

 

[random person]

Notice I didn't say the new temple would be a TRUE 'temple of God'. And I reminded the readers that the Orthodox Jews don't believe Jesus is Messiah, & that the Old Covenant is still in effect.

But most of the world will view the new temple as a temple of God, and the "abomination of desolation' will occur in it.

Only Orthodox Jews will view this new temple as a temple of God. However, that temple may never be built.

Such a temple is blasphemous against Christ and it represents the spirit of the AntiChrist because it denies Christ is Lord and denies He came of God, that Christ came and died for the sins of the world, and that God raised Him up and seated Him at His right hand.

 

[robycop3]

Only Orthodox Jews will view this new temple as a temple of God. However, that temple may never be built.

Such a temple is blasphemous against Christ and it represents the spirit of the AntiChrist because it denies Christ is Lord and denies He came of God, that Christ came and died for the sins of the world, and that God raised Him up and seated Him at His right hand.

It WILL be built. It must be built so the beast can commit the AOD in it.

 

[random person]

It WILL be built. It must be built so the beast can commit the AOD in it.

AOD already happened.

Graven images, idols and foreign gods are an abomination according to the Law of Moses. The Roman army always carried its ensigns wherever it went. These ensigns were military standards. The main ensign, the Aquila, was an idol of Aquila, the messenger of Jupiter that carried Jupiter’s lightning bolt to the Titans during the war between the gods and Titans. The Aquila was also a symbol of Rome itself. There was also an ensign called the Imago which was a three-dimensional image of Caesar. These ensigns were worshiped by the Roman military and thus were more than just military standards–they were also idols. Therefore, the Roman army with their idols of Jupiter, Caesar and Rome on the ensigns would have been considered an abomination according to the Law of Moses. The Roman army is called the abomination that causes desolation because this abominable army literally caused the desolation of Israel during the Jewish War.

The Imago (Image). The ensign called the Imago would have contained the image of the beast, Caesar Vespasian and/or Titus. This image of the emperor was worshiped in the Temple in A.D. 70.

"And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh." Luke 21:20

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand ) " Matthew 24:15


According to The Wars of the Jews 2.19.4, the second time Jerusalem was surrounded by armies during the Jewish War was when Cestius encamped with the 12th Legion on Mt. Scopus to the northeast of Jerusalem in Tishri of A.D. 66. The 12th Legion was mustered out of Syria where it guarded Rome’s eastern borders against the Parthians. The 12th Legion or Legio duodecima Fulminata means armed with lightning. The military flag of the 12th Legion erected in its presence is a lightning bolt. This army drawn from the eastern borders of the Roman Empire which encamped to the northeast of Jerusalem before entering the city with its flags of lightning flying high outside of Jerusalem were another, later symbolic reminder of Matthew 24:27: “For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.”

After a brief attack on the city, Cestius withdrew from Jerusalem with the 12th Legion shortly thereafter. The next and final time in which the Roman army surrounded Jerusalem during the Jewish War was in A.D. 70 under Ceasar Titus. With the aid of the 12th Legion together with several additional legions and auxiliary cohorts, Titus besieged Jerusalem on Passover of A.D. 70. Five months later Jerusalem fell, the occupants were killed and exiled, and the city was burned.

"For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." Matthew 23:39

During Passover, all Jews making pilgrimage to Jerusalem would be greeted from atop the walls and on the streets with shouts of "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord".

According to The Wars of the Jews 5.2.3, the Roman legions encamped on the Mt. of Olives overlooking the city to the east before beginning their assault on the city. These legions encamped to the east of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 with their ensigns of the Aquila, the eagle messenger of Zeus that carried Zeus’ lightning bolt, raised high also fulfill Matthew 24:27: “For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.”

The flag of the 12th Legion is a lightning bolt.

“For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” Matthew 24:27


The Main Ensign, the Aquila, was the Messenger of Zeus that carried Zeus’ LIGHTNING Bolt. The Aquila was the Symbol of Rome.

It should also be noted that the symbol of Rome was the Aquila which was also the main ensign that all Roman legions carried into battle. Aquila was the messenger of Jupiter that carried Jupiter’s lightning bolt. Here one can see another way in which the the “lightning that comes from the east” symbolizes the 12th Legion and the Roman army as a whole.

The eagle, the Aquila, was a symbol of Rome. Interestingly, the word translated vulture in this verse also means eagle–the national symbol of Rome. When the Romans seized the temple in A.D. 70, they carried their ensigns into the temple courts. The main ensign was the Aquila, an eagle. And while the temple burned, they offered sacrifices to these images of the eagle Aquila and Caesar.

"And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together." Luke 17:37

"For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together." Matthew 24:28

 

[robycop3]

AOD already happened.

Graven images, idols and foreign gods are an abomination according to the Law of Moses. The Roman army always carried its ensigns wherever it went. These ensigns were military standards. The main ensign, the Aquila, was an idol of Aquila, the messenger of Jupiter that carried Jupiter’s lightning bolt to the Titans during the war between the gods and Titans. The Aquila was also a symbol of Rome itself. There was also an ensign called the Imago which was a three-dimensional image of Caesar. These ensigns were worshiped by the Roman military and thus were more than just military standards–they were also idols. Therefore, the Roman army with their idols of Jupiter, Caesar and Rome on the ensigns would have been considered an abomination according to the Law of Moses. The Roman army is called the abomination that causes desolation because this abominable army literally caused the desolation of Israel during the Jewish War.

The Imago (Image). The ensign called the Imago would have contained the image of the beast, Caesar Vespasian and/or Titus. This image of the emperor was worshiped in the Temple in A.D. 70.

"And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh." Luke 21:20

"When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand ) " Matthew 24:15

MMRRPP! WRONG!

The AOD will occur when the beast enters the new temple & declares himself to be God. "Desolation is NOT the ABOMINATION of desolation. And Jerusalem EWAS made desolate, but the AOD sisn't then occur.

According to The Wars of the Jews 2.19.4, the second time Jerusalem was surrounded by armies during the Jewish War was when Cestius encamped with the 12th Legion on Mt. Scopus to the northeast of Jerusalem in Tishri of A.D. 66. The 12th Legion was mustered out of Syria where it guarded Rome’s eastern borders against the Parthians. The 12th Legion or Legio duodecima Fulminata means armed with lightning. The military flag of the 12th Legion erected in its presence is a lightning bolt. This army drawn from the eastern borders of the Roman Empire which encamped to the northeast of Jerusalem before entering the city with its flags of lightning flying high outside of Jerusalem were another, later symbolic reminder of Matthew 24:27: “For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.”

After a brief attack on the city, Cestius withdrew from Jerusalem with the 12th Legion shortly thereafter. The next and final time in which the Roman army surrounded Jerusalem during the Jewish War was in A.D. 70 under Ceasar Titus. With the aid of the 12th Legion together with several additional legions and auxiliary cohorts, Titus besieged Jerusalem on Passover of A.D. 70. Five months later Jerusalem fell, the occupants were killed and exiled, and the city was burned.

"For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord." Matthew 23:39

During Passover, all Jews making pilgrimage to Jerusalem would be greeted from atop the walls and on the streets with shouts of "Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord".

Nothingta do with Jesus' return.

According to The Wars of the Jews 5.2.3, the Roman legions encamped on the Mt. of Olives overlooking the city to the east before beginning their assault on the city. These legions encamped to the east of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 with their ensigns of the Aquila, the eagle messenger of Zeus that carried Zeus’ lightning bolt, raised high also fulfill Matthew 24:27: “For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.”

The flag of the 12th Legion is a lightning bolt.

“For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man.” Matthew 24:27

Jesus is speaking of the VISIBILITY of His return. Nothingta do with Roman ensigns.

The Main Ensign, the Aquila, was the Messenger of Zeus that carried Zeus’ LIGHTNING Bolt. The Aquila was the Symbol of Rome.

It should also be noted that the symbol of Rome was the Aquila which was also the main ensign that all Roman legions carried into battle. Aquila was the messenger of Jupiter that carried Jupiter’s lightning bolt. Here one can see another way in which the the “lightning that comes from the east” symbolizes the 12th Legion and the Roman army as a whole.

The eagle, the Aquila, was a symbol of Rome. Interestingly, the word translated vulture in this verse also means eagle–the national symbol of Rome. When the Romans seized the temple in A.D. 70, they carried their ensigns into the temple courts. The main ensign was the Aquila, an eagle. And while the temple burned, they offered sacrifices to these images of the eagle Aquila and Caesar.

"And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together." Luke 17:37

"For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together." Matthew 24:28

Yet more preterist silliness...trying to link jesus' return to birds!

Preterists are always trying to invent excuses to fill in the gaps in history where they CANNOT account for the events they SAY have already occurred. they simply refuse to believe Jesus at his word! that's what's so evil about preterism.

 

[parousia70]

Notice I didn't say the new temple would be a TRUE 'temple of God'. And I reminded the readers that the Orthodox Jews don't believe Jesus is Messiah, & that the Old Covenant is still in effect.

But most of the world will view the new temple as a temple of God, and the "abomination of desolation' will occur in it.

The question you should be asking yourself is "would the Apostle Paul view this 21st century rebuilt temple as "The temple of God"?

As the giver of the prophesy, His view is the only one that matters.

 

[robycop3]

The question you should be asking yourself is "would the Apostle Paul view this 21st century rebuilt temple as "The temple of God"?

As the giver of the prophesy, His view is the only one that matters.

Can't really be answered, but Paul established some churches that built sanctuaries.

 

[parousia70]

Can't really be answered, but Paul established some churches that built sanctuaries.

Why Not? we have very clear scripture explaining what Paul considered to be the Temple of God do we not?

 

[random person]

MMRRPP! WRONG!

The AOD will occur when the beast enters the new temple & declares himself to be God. "Desolation is NOT the ABOMINATION of desolation. And Jerusalem EWAS made desolate, but the AOD sisn't then occur.




Nothingta do with Jesus' return.



Jesus is speaking of the VISIBILITY of His return. Nothingta do with Roman ensigns.




Yet more preterist silliness...trying to link jesus' return to birds!

Preterists are always trying to invent excuses to fill in the gaps in history where they CANNOT account for the events they SAY have already occurred. they simply refuse to believe Jesus at his word! that's what's so evil about preterism.

The Roman ensigns was the Aquila or the Eagle, whom slaughtered the Jews and left their corpses as meat for the vultures.

If you didn't know this, the Greek word for "eagle" is the same one that applies to "vulture". So there is this duality of both the gathering ensigns of the Roman armies, the murderers, carcasses of the Roman victims namely the Jews, and the vultures feasting upon the carcasses of said Jews.

Of the Jews that were massacred at the Destruction of Jersusalem in A.D. 70, the Romans just tossed their bodies down into Valley of Hinnom and used this masssive burning garbage dump as one open mass grave to feed the worms and the vultures.

 

[robycop3]

The Roman ensigns was the Aquila or the Eagle, whom slaughtered the Jews and left their corpses as meat for the vultures.

If you didn't know this, the Greek word for "eagle" is the same one that applies to "vulture". So there is this duality of both the gathering ensigns of the Roman armies, the murderers, carcasses of the Roman victims namely the Jews, and the vultures feasting upon the carcasses of said Jews.

Of the Jews that were massacred at the Destruction of Jersusalem in A.D. 70, the Romans just tossed their bodies down into Valley of Hinnom and used this masssive burning garbage dump as one open mass grave to feed the worms and the vultures.

The AOD will be when the 'beast' sets up his statue in the new temple, his miracle-working deputy the false prophet supernaturally causes it to speak, the 'beast' declares himself to be God, & the false prophet commands everyone to worship the 'beast' & his statue.

This has nothing to do with any roman ensigns.

 

[random person]

The AOD will be when the 'beast' sets up his statue in the new temple, his miracle-working deputy the false prophet supernaturally causes it to speak, the 'beast' declares himself to be God, & the false prophet commands everyone to worship the 'beast' & his statue.

This has nothing to do with any roman ensigns.

It has everything to do with Rome. The Caesars were self-professed gods. The Caesar cults and furthermore, if you did not hail Caesar and pay proper acquiescence to a Caesar, if you were merchant or involved in other trade, you would lose your privilages, your business, now think about that "mark of the beast".

 

[robycop3]

It has everything to do with Rome. The Caesars were self-professed gods. The Caesar cults and furthermore, if you did not hail Caesar and pay proper acquiescence to a Caesar, if you were merchant or involved in other trade, you would lose your privilages, your business, now think about that "mark of the beast".

HORSE FEATHERS! Many people bought/sold without mentioning Caesar, including JESUS, who worked as a carpenter before He began His ministry. But He said "Render to Caesar what is Caesar's(speaking of tax money) and render to God what's God's."

 

[parousia70]

HORSE FEATHERS! Many people bought/sold without mentioning Caesar, including JESUS, who worked as a carpenter before He began His ministry.

You do realize that refusing to take a future microchip or some such mark will likewise not prevent all people from buying and selling don't you?

If I want to "Purchase" a gallon of milk from my neighbor who has a couple of cows and the currency I sue to "buy" that milk is a dozen eggs from my chickens, lack of a microchip mark will not prevent either of us from engaging in such commerce.