Four Walgreen Pharmacists Disciplined For Not Filling Contraceptives

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Personally I am glad because women take BC other than just sex. Sometimes if a woman is having trouble with her menstrual cycle her doctor will give her BC to help her out. These pharmacists aren't doctors. They knew what came with the job and if they thought it would go "against their beliefs" than they shouldn't have gotten the job. It's totally irresponsible.

Link: dailysouttown.com/southtown/dsnews/305nd3.htm and also you can go to stltoday.com and search for it there (the address is too long to type out)
 
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LittlePinky82 said:
Personally I am glad because women take BC other than just sex. Sometimes if a woman is having trouble with her menstrual cycle her doctor will give her BC to help her out. These pharmacists aren't doctors. They knew what came with the job and if they thought it would go "against their beliefs" than they shouldn't have gotten the job. It's totally irresponsible.

Agreed. Leave the medicine to real doctors. If you don't like it, quit.
 
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This isn't like regular birth control. It's the emergency bc for unprotected sex. That's the only reason you'd take it - not for zits, not for pms, not for endometriosis. Just for sex.

That said, if they didn't feel they could morally fill the prescriptions, they should not have taken the jobs!
 
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Sometimes if a woman is having trouble with her menstrual cycle her doctor will give her BC to help her out.
Irrelevant.
These pharmacists aren't doctors. They knew what came with the job and if they thought it would go "against their beliefs" than they shouldn't have gotten the job. It's totally irresponsible.
Agreed. Leave the medicine to real doctors. If you don't like it, quit.
This is very disturbing, I have never heard of this before. Their job is to fill an order by a doctor.

End of Job.
That said, if they didn't feel they could morally fill the prescriptions, they should not have taken the jobs!

Wow, so we want our pharmacists to be robots huh. I'm sure no one knows a sleazy doctor that will write out prescriptions for anyone. I'm sure no one knows a drug addict that shops doctors and pharmacies. We want our pharmacists to just blindly follow doctor's orders - always. I see.
Personally I like the fact that these four had the backbone to stand up. Sure they knew there was birth control when they got their degrees.
But I bet they DIDN'T know that there were "morning after baby killer" drugs being developed.
Personally I want my pharmacist to be able to think. Doctors make mistakes all the time. Would you like your pharmacist to just fill the prescription if he sees an obvious mistake? or if he knows one medication will react badly with another?
These people can go elsewhere to kill their baby the morning after they have "oops" sex.
 
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MichaelFJF said:
Personally I want my pharmacist to be able to think. Doctors make mistakes all the time. Would you like your pharmacist to just fill the prescription if he sees an obvious mistake? or if he knows one medication will react badly with another?
Because clearly these are on the same moral level as religious objections.
These people can go elsewhere to kill their baby the morning after they have "oops" sex.
Yeah, that 8-cell "baby," 50% of which never implant anyway.
 
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TeddyKGB said:
Because clearly these are on the same moral level as religious objections.
You either want them to think or not. You can't have it both ways. Look at the quotes. "just fill the prescription or quit."
 
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MichaelFJF said:
You either want them to think or not. You can't have it both ways. Look at the quotes. "just fill the prescription or quit."
'thinking' and pushing morality are two different things. its a pity that a false dilemma is your only defense.
 
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Well, then they should find a pharmacy that doesn't fill those prescriptions to work at, or have another pharmacist on the job do it. It has NOTHING to do with having a mind of their own. When you work, you agree to perform a certain duty and get paid for it. If you can not perform that duty, then you should be disciplined.

The pharmacists knew this would be part of the job when they signed up for it. There's no excuse for not doing their job. When I do not do something that is in my job description, I get disciplined for it regardless of my religious and moral beliefs. There should not be an exception for pharmacists.
 
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Agreed. Leave the medicine to real doctors. If you don't like it, quit.
Believe it or not pharmacists know more about the medicine than doctors. You don't have to be a doctor to write prescriptions. Nurse practioners and physician assistants can do it, too, with much less schoolings.
 
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Jacob4Jesus said:
Well, then they should find a pharmacy that doesn't fill those prescriptions to work at, or have another pharmacist on the job do it. It has NOTHING to do with having a mind of their own. When you work, you agree to perform a certain duty and get paid for it. If you can not perform that duty, then you should be disciplined.

The pharmacists knew this would be part of the job when they signed up for it. There's no excuse for not doing their job. When I do not do something that is in my job description, I get disciplined for it regardless of my religious and moral beliefs. There should not be an exception for pharmacists.

agreed
if they dont want to fill out certain perscriptions
then they should join a pharmacy that agrees with their moral/religous whatevers or create one of their own.
they agreed to work at a corporation that does allow these and that is their own fault
they should quit first
it's not their company.
 
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MichaelFJF said:
Irrelevant.





Wow, so we want our pharmacists to be robots huh. I'm sure no one knows a sleazy doctor that will write out prescriptions for anyone. I'm sure no one knows a drug addict that shops doctors and pharmacies. We want our pharmacists to just blindly follow doctor's orders - always. I see.
Personally I like the fact that these four had the backbone to stand up. Sure they knew there was birth control when they got their degrees.
But I bet they DIDN'T know that there were "morning after baby killer" drugs being developed.
Personally I want my pharmacist to be able to think. Doctors make mistakes all the time. Would you like your pharmacist to just fill the prescription if he sees an obvious mistake? or if he knows one medication will react badly with another?
These people can go elsewhere to kill their baby the morning after they have "oops" sex.

Ignoring ofcourse that the morning after pill doesn't kill anything but merely prevents conception. That would interfere with the false moral dillema you are trying to make though, so I'll just leave it here.
 
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Exactly. If a vegeterian worked at a burger joint could they not work behind at the grill and refuse to sell hamburgers because they didn't believe in it? Of course not.

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This isn't like regular birth control. It's the emergency bc for unprotected sex. That's the only reason you'd take it - not for zits, not for pms, not for endometriosis. Just for sex.

That said, if they didn't feel they could morally fill the prescriptions, they should not have taken the jobs!
 
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jsn112 said:
Believe it or not pharmacists know more about the medicine than
doctors. You don't have to be a doctor to write prescriptions. Nurse practioners and physician assistants can do it, too, with much less schoolings.

NP/PA's prescribing powers are limited, they cannot just write a prescription for 'anything'. And most have to work under the physician. With some exceptions, diagnosises and prescriptions made by the NP/PA have to be counter signed by a physician.

Diagnosis and treatment may seem like a bit of scribbles to you, but there is a lot of thinking that goes on behind the scribbles. Physicians who are not trained in their specialities do not (normally) venture outside their area of expertise when prescribing drugs. If you think writing prescription can be done with people with far less schooling, why is it that a cardiologist would never want to touch prescriptions for people with kidney problems? Evidently, you know something they don't. ;)


Anyway, back on topic....

The difference between a pharmacist and a physician is that a physician is trained to diagnose and treat a patient and a pharmacist's professional obligation is to ensure that the correct drugs are given and that they are not medically harmful to the patient.

People need to understand the difference between making a moral judgement and making a professional judgement. A pharmacist's moral judgement may prevent him/her from giving viagra to a gay man but their professional judgement says the viagra is safe for that gay man, therefore, they should be expected to do their job as stated by Walgreens and give the man his viagra (unless they work at their own pharmacy, in which case they can make value judgements against their own customers I guess...).

Therefore, if the physician was to prescribe the morning after pills for some other reasons that's not related to 'the morning after'---and yes, it does happen....the pharmacist has no professional jurisdiction to say otherwise.

In other words, the physician knows the patient's problems and prescribes drugs for their medical problem, the pharmacist ensures that the proper drugs are given, and that the doctor did not make a medical mistake when prescribing them, the pharmacist CANNOT make a medical diagnosis on the patient---i.e, they can't just make diagnosis on the spot for their patient and disagree with the medical treatment unless it's a misuse of the drug. That is outside their medical jurisdication.

To go back to the Viagra analogy, the pharmacist may assume that the gay man was given viagra for impotence. However, the drug was originally tested for use in heart patients. I'm not sure if it is prescribed that way, but suppose viagra can be used for people with certain types of heart conditions. Now, imagine the physician prescribing viagra for heart problems to a man who happen to be gay. Is it right for the pharmacist to assume that the gay man would use it for sex, and thereby deny the man the drugs?

I believe this is at the heart of the problem: who has the right to decide what types of drugs a patient can use to treat their health problems? The physician? Or the pharmacist? I'd say the the physcian simply because that is the physician's job: to understand the patient's medical history and to make diagnosis for them. The pharmacist's job is to ensure proper dosage and medication of said drugs and to make sure it is not misused. That is where they can check the physician---to ensure the medications are used to do what they are medically intended to do.

To make assumpations and value judgments on legally prescribed drugs, which are otherwise used correctly, falls outside the jurisdiction of the pharmacist.
 
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MichaelFJF said:
Wow, so we want our pharmacists to be robots huh. I'm sure no one knows a sleazy doctor that will write out prescriptions for anyone. I'm sure no one knows a drug addict that shops doctors and pharmacies. We want our pharmacists to just blindly follow doctor's orders - always. I see.
Personally I like the fact that these four had the backbone to stand up. Sure they knew there was birth control when they got their degrees.
But I bet they DIDN'T know that there were "morning after baby killer" drugs being developed.
Personally I want my pharmacist to be able to think. Doctors make mistakes all the time. Would you like your pharmacist to just fill the prescription if he sees an obvious mistake? or if he knows one medication will react badly with another?
These people can go elsewhere to kill their baby the morning after they have "oops" sex.
Well it looks like along with disinformed Evolution being taught on Sunday mornings, it now appears they have added disinformation of the morning after pill too.

I want Pharmacists to think also because Doctors do make mistakes or could be abusing the system. So if there is an obvious mistake when it comes to dispensing drugs they should speak up. However, in this case there was no mistake, so I'l say it; they should either quit, keep on ignoring policy and get fired, or shut up and just fill the perscription, heck, say a prayer if they like.
 
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