MJ Only Fences of Protection - Guarding the Torah

[pat34lee]

Highly functioning and perfectly normal are not the same thing. The guy has an IQ of 75.

Take 2/3 or more of the chips out of your PC at random. How
well do you think it would work? The brain may be storage, but
there is much more to it, including consciousness.

 

[Hoshiyya]

WRONG. The Talmud is the only place you find the command to
make fences. If you think Yeshua added to Torah, then denounce
him as a false Messiah. That is the law.

Fences and actual mitzvahs are two different things.

 

[Hoshiyya]

The Torah is a deadly thing if there are no definitions! We can say that someone who coughs has violated the sanctity of Shabbat, since coughing is caused by germs - and germs are unclean. How can you know?!?

In principle, I agree, there must be definitions, but the example here is crazy. There is a limit to what people can accept. Moses would never give people a law they couldn't accept.

If you believe he or someone else just kind of invented these laws, and that their origin is not in revelation from God, then that principle is even more true. Like Muhammed, Moses (or one or more people who equate to him) could from a secular perspective be seen as a codifier of existing traditions. Hence, a crazy thing like killing someone for COUGHING would have to be derived from the crazy praxis of a crazy people. The praxis would have to be acceptable to them to begin with, and such a crazy idea simply is not. From a secular perpsective, the praxis would have to emanate from the people, and the Prophet would just codify it. Even to the extent the Prophet is original, what he comes up with must still be congenial to his audience.

 

[pat34lee]

Fences and actual mitzvahs are two different things.

Yes. They are different laws with different purposes.

Mitzvoh - Don't pick the roses.
Fence - Stay out of the garden.