evidence anti-abortion laws are already endangering women:

[RileyG]

The unborn really aren’t. And if the unborn were really so important, pro-lifers would be lobbying medical schools and researchers to finally start giving some importance to women’s physiology in instruction and research. Maybe they could put some real effort towards causes and prevention of miscarriage and fetal abnormalities.

Plenty of pro-lifers have.

 

[JSRG]

Her personal beliefs are no longer relevant to the organization.

It is indeed quite clear that Planned Parenthood has abandoned the ideas of its founder. As far as I can tell, Margaret Sanger was never a proponent of abortion legalization, and in fact was strongly against elective abortion. Part of the reason she thought contraceptives should be easily available (which is what Planned Parenthood was founded to accomplish) was the idea it would curtail abortions. It's a bit ironic that the organization in the United States best known for lobbying against basically any restrictions on abortion access was founded by someone who was quite against abortion.

 

[Larniavc]

I’m a male.

Then you don’t.

 

[DaisyDay]

I’m a male.

Cis-male?

That's different

Not for the doctors caught up in this legal dilemma - how imminent is the danger of a nonviable pregnancy to the woman? Do the doctors have to wait until death will occur within hours or will death within days/weeks be acceptable for a legal abortion? This is an issue because there have been cases where the amniotic sac has broken before 21 weeks into the pregnancy; the fetus will not survive but is not yet dead and the hospital legal wizes demurred saying the woman is not close enough to death yet.

 

[RileyG]

Cis-male?

Not for the doctors caught up in this legal dilemma - how imminent is the danger of a nonviable pregnancy to the woman? Do the doctors have to wait until death will occur within hours or will death within days/weeks be acceptable for a legal abortion? This is an issue because there have been cases where the amniotic sac has broken before 21 weeks into the pregnancy; the fetus will not survive but is not yet dead and the hospital legal wizes demurred saying the woman is not close enough to death yet.

Cis-male? ??? A male is a male.

Saving the life of the mother is not the same as terminating a healthy fetus.

 

[RileyG]

It is indeed quite clear that Planned Parenthood has abandoned the ideas of its founder. As far as I can tell, Margaret Sanger was never a proponent of abortion legalization, and in fact was strongly against elective abortion. Part of the reason she thought contraceptives should be easily available (which is what Planned Parenthood was founded to accomplish) was the idea it would curtail abortions. It's a bit ironic that the organization in the United States best known for lobbying against basically any restrictions on abortion access was founded by someone who was quite against abortion.

This is correct. Margaret Sanger and the original planned parenthood was focused on birth control, NOT abortion…

 

[DaisyDay]

Cis-male? ??? A male is a male.

Hm.

Saving the life of the mother is not the same as terminating a healthy fetus.

It can be.

 

[rjs330]

We all agree that some abortions are going to be “necessary“.
Where our society draws the line of “necessity“ is where we argue.

Yes for some necessity is simply I don't want a child right now so it's akay to take a human life.

 

[Pommer]

Yes for some necessity is simply I don't want a child right now so it's akay to take a human life.

“I don’t want to go through the perils of pregnancy to birth a child I do not currently want to bear.”
I fail to see the need for getting society involved in this.

 

[rjs330]

Cis-male? ??? A male is a male.

Good for you! Well done!

 

[rjs330]

don’t want to go through the perils of pregnancy to birth a child I do not currently want to bear.”
I fail to see the need for getting society involved in this.

I don't want to have bring a child in to the world even though I created a life so I'd rather kill a human than have to take care of it.

I definitely see the need for getting society involved in this.

 

[Pommer]

I don't want to have bring a child in to the world even though I created a life so I'd rather kill a human than have to take care of it.

I definitely see the need for getting society involved in this.

I understand that you consider abortion tantamount to “murder”; and good for you for fighting for that, seriously, but I think you‘re incorrect and so (by recent elections’ results) do about 60% of the electorate seem to agree with me.

By all means, keep fighting to what your conscience demands, I’ll do the same over here.

 

[RileyG]

Hm.

It can be.

Kill the baby because it’s unwanted? That’s selfish.

Not ready to be a patent? Don’t have sex. Simple.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Kill the baby because it’s unwanted? That’s selfish.

That's not what Daisy was talking about.

Not ready to be a patent? Don’t have sex. Simple.

Feel free to not have sex or abortions, then, but no one cares if you don't.

 

[Larniavc]

Don’t have sex.

Or use birth control.

 

[RileyG]

Or use birth control.

Exactly

 

[RileyG]

That's not what Daisy was talking about.

Feel free to not have sex or abortions, then, but no one cares if you don't.

It hurts someone else. Therefore I will speak out against it.

 

[Mayzoo]

Kill the baby because it’s unwanted? That’s selfish.

Not ready to be a patent? Don’t have sex. Simple.

That means marriage is absolutely out of the question until one is ready to raise children.

 

[Mayzoo]

Or use birth control.

Birth control has a small failure rate. The position, as I see it, is do not get married until you both believe you are ready to raise a child.

 

[rjs330]

I understand that you consider abortion tantamount to “murder”; and good for you for fighting for that, seriously, but I think you‘re incorrect and so (by recent elections’ results) do about 60% of the electorate seem to agree with me.

By all means, keep fighting to what your conscience demands, I’ll do the same over here.

Sounds good. I will.

Trouble is the science and logic is a actually on my side. So yes I'll keep fighting for it.