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Dr Dino: Can Man Tell Time?

Discussion in 'Creation & Evolution' started by JohnR7, Aug 29, 2003.

  1. JohnR7

    JohnR7 New Member

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    Often I hear about how easy it is to falsify Dr. Dino's teachings. Well, here is a artical that he wrote on time. Here is your chance to falsify Dr. Dino and prove him wrong. The artical can be found at:

    http://www.drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=articles&specific=45

    The name of it is: DOES GOD EXPECT MAN TO BE ABLE TO TELL TIME?

    In this artical, Dr. Dino trys to show that there are many things that God does in a instant of time. For example, Jesus created wine out of water in a instant of time. Now, in the natural we all know how long it takes for nature to turn water into wine. But here Jesus accomplished that in a moment of time.

    Dr. Dino's arguement of course then is: if in all these areas that he lists in the artical God does things very rapidly,that would appear to take a long amount of time in the natural. Then could God not have created a world in a very short period of time, that in the natural apart from God would have taken a very long time to create and accomplish?

    Remember, this is not a place to present your theory. This is your golden opportunity to prove Dr. Dino's theory wrong.

     
  2. Pete Harcoff

    Pete Harcoff PeteAce - In memory of WinAce

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    A couple points:

    First, supernatural events are by their nature un-falsifiable, since God can do any old thing he wants (it's His nature). For example, He could have zapped my computer in existance before I bought it and I'd never know the difference.

    Second, as has been said before, there is a difference between maturity and history. Creating the Earth fully-formed is one thing. Creating it with a complicated geological record spanning 4.5 billion years of history is something else entirely. Ditto with the star light thing. Creating a universe full of stars is one thing. Creating light, in transit, is something else entirely (including light from supernova, which would never have existed in the first place).

    Third, if the Earth was created only 6000 years ago, but with the appearence of being 4.5 billion years ago, then of course science is going to say, "Guess what? The Earth looks 4.5 billion years old."

    Basically, it comes down a philosophical position that is outside the realm of science.
     
  3. Arikay

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    Not only a philosophy that is outside the realm of science, but one that some might consider heritical (is that a word?) as it says that god designed the earth to be a very complicated Lie. Not a very good position IMHO, but some seem to be ok with it. :)
     
  4. hardinsd22

    hardinsd22 New Member

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    Dear Pete...scientists cant prove the earth to be whatever billion years old can they...their own time theories mess it up...but natural disaster like a flood or God simply making the earth look old are much more reasonalbe...and God wasnt created...Gods pretty old...hes the beginning and end...hes just had this earth for 6000 years...hes been around for forever...so there
     
  5. Pete Harcoff

    Pete Harcoff PeteAce - In memory of WinAce

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    Within the philosophical contraints of science, scientists can most certainly prove the Earth is ~4.5 billion years old.

    But if you want to ignore those philosophical contraints, then you can invent any old idea you want. For example, did you know the universe was really created last Thursday by a magic elf named Iggy complete with an entire history and prefabricated memories? That's right, the Earth and universe are only three days old.

    Huh?

    Except the Earth does not contain evidence that it ever suffered such a cataclysmic flood. Unless, of course, that's part of the deception you seem to be setting up...

    Sure, whatever rocks your world.
     
  6. ThePhoenix

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    This is a theological arguement at its root. Even DrDino isn't quite miserable enough to try and pass it off as science.

    Now first, he's already stated that his answer below is NON-SCIENTIFIC. So he's invalidated it. But some of these absurdities are wonderful.

    This suggests two things. One is that god holds the universe together. This is a personal belief. But the second is great. He implies that God doesn't hold together the universe in a predictable fashion. This implication is found where he says that Newton's laws and Einstien's theory don't hold true. Since these were found through studying the natural world he postulates that God is inconsistant in his method of holding together the natural world.

    Another attempt at rationalizing. He can't explain it using science, so he falls back on non-science, the answer that "It just happened."

    Now here is a HUGE kicker, and it's hard to see it coming.
    Taken with the statements preceeding it it says that God created the universe and everything in it instantly, and told us that. But where are the fossils? Genesis detailed plants, and trees, and birds, and all manner of things, all it would have taken is the line "and he created the bones in the Earth, so that man might wonder at what came before." That's all it would take. No line.

    ARGH! Hovind knows that such processes take millions of years. Peat is what happens if you just have decaying organic matter, and it doesn't become coal for a lot longer then 6000 years. Deliberate deception!

    And next up the ending quote.
    Do you really think that Jesus was speaking about CLOCKS!
     
  7. Jet Black

    Jet Black Guest

    why does he keep mentioning decay rate?

    anyway Hovind's argument is pointless. no-one has said that god cannot. we just say he did not.
     
  8. ThePhoenix

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    And that saying he did is inconsistant with the scriptures, which is the TRUE word of God according to the scriptures.
     
  9. Jet Black

    Jet Black Guest

    exactly, I think he is under the impression that stopping someone's shoes from wearing out is going to change the fine structure constant.
     
  10. JohnR7

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    It does not take millions of years. You can turn garbage into oil in hours of time.
     
  11. Jet Black

    Jet Black Guest

    natural processes john, natural processes.
     
  12. JohnR7

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    Yes, if "contraints" means that you assume that their assumptions are based on fact and not fiction or creative writting. ie. (imagination)
     
  13. Jet Black

    Jet Black Guest

    you clearly don't understand what pete just said john.
     
  14. JohnR7

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    It does not matter, the point of the thread is that one of the most common things I hear on here is how easy it is to falsify Dr. Dino. So here is everyone's chance to falsify one of the articals on his site.
     
  15. obediah001

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    There is not even the remorest of remote chance's that the Evolutionists can PROVethe earth is any age let alone 4.5 billions of years old. For heavens sake they themselves have changed their own estimates & theories somany times it is an absolute absurdity to put any credibility in their abilities to do anything but imagine another tall tale of one sort or another.
     
  16. obediah001

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    Did U hear that dwebate last nite? Hovind just blew them right out of thewater!
     
  17. Jet Black

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    ok.

    lets have a look at polystrate fossils:

    they are a well understood geological phenomenon, which I am not going to outline right now:

    http://drdino.com/cse.asp?pg=articles&specific=16

    ok, he suggests that polystrate fossils are a result of noah's flood. However this is ludicrous, because the 2nd picture outlines a 27 layer polystrate fossil layer, meaning that 27 generations of trees would have had to grow, in less than a year, while several kilometres underwater and being simultaneously compacted into sedimentary rock.
     
  18. obediah001

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    You is silly. Them trees are standing thru multiple layers of stata which PROVES they did not grow thru them & that it did not take millions of years to form the strata. The flood did it!!
     
  19. Jet Black

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    how do you suppose that they crew in multiple layers though? they would have had to be under several miles of water, and growing extremely quickly, then dying extremely quickly before another tree germinated, grew extremely quickly and died extremelz quickly, and another, and another. and so on. there are 27 layers there.... lets say 24, that is 2 layers per month, or one every 2 weeks. are you telling me that trees can grow from seeds to full sized trees in under 2 weeks, while under 5 miles of water at the same time as millions of sand is pouring down on them, in the greatest deluge known to mankind?
     
  20. Jet Black

    Jet Black Guest

    say each tree was 28 feet high, that is a growth rate of 2 feet per day. not even bamboo grows that quickly.
     
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