Donald Trump Jr Met With The Russians And Oops I Just Yawned

[TLK Valentine]

Just as an FYI ...

Alan Dershowitz - Wikipedia
Alan Morton Dershowitz (born September 1, 1938) is an American lawyer, jurist, and author. He is a prominent scholar on United States constitutional law and criminal law, and a leading defender of civil liberties. He spent most of his career at Harvard Law School where in 1967, at the age of 28, he became the youngest full professor of law in its history.

His credentials only make his error all the more embarrassing.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Didn't happen.

But it did. This is like a guy who arranges to meet someone with cocaine in order to get some, but when he gets there, the person just has sugar. The intent was still there.

And how do we know he got nothing? We have been lied to so much. They denied any Russian contacts.....and the contacts just keep trickling out.

Isn't that what Don Jr did already?

No, he knew the New York Times was going to publish them and is attempting to show transparency and imply the contact was okay. He was vehemently denying Russian contacts while he was in contact with someone he saw as a Russian agent, and kept it up for months and months.

And there is more to be known besides the emails as there were phone calls referred to in the emails.

And Kushner is the one in deep trouble because AGAIN he did not put the contact with a Russian agent who needed an interpreter on the form he filled out for his security clearance.
Jared Kushner is under fire as all eyes turn to the only White House adviser in on the Trump Jr. meeting with a Russian lawyer

 

[NightHawkeye]

But it did. This is like a guy who arranges to meet someone with cocaine in order to get some, but when he gets there, the person just has sugar. The intent was still there.

Yet, when law enforcement wants to arrest someone they always wait until the money is provided.

Why do you suppose that is?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Yet, when law enforcement wants to arrest someone they always wait until the money is provided.

Why do you suppose that is?

You've been watching too many cop shows.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Yet, when law enforcement wants to arrest someone they always wait until the money is provided.

Why do you suppose that is?

But did Trump get information or not? The emails show there was other contact.
It is a stunning show of ignorance of federal law (and of scruples imho) that Trump, Jr., Kushner and Mannafort went to that meeting.

Mueller is looking into it.

 

[LoAmmi]

Yet, when law enforcement wants to arrest someone they always wait until the money is provided.

Why do you suppose that is?

For the same reason that even if they have every bit of evidence showing guilt, they want a confession. It is another piece of evidence that can be used in court. I promise you if the person showed up penniless, he'd still be arrested.

 

[LoAmmi]

I just don't get how people are now still berating us for saying there was a Russia connection. If you want to say it was legal, fine, but you lost the "it didn't happen" game and now we're onto the "it was legal" game.

 

[NightHawkeye]

I just don't get how people are now still berating us for saying there was a Russia connection. If you want to say it was legal, fine, but you lost the "it didn't happen" game and now we're onto the "it was legal" game.

Then, we can all look forward to the special prosecutor ... well, prosecuting.

 

[LoAmmi]

Then, we can all look forward to the special prosecutor ... well, prosecuting.

It may not have been illegal. That's fine. I kind of wish it was, but if it wasn't then we better all brace for what's going to happen when foreign intelligence agencies pick sides and help the one they want.

Trump still won and would have won without any outside interference. I got nervous the minute Hillary was nominated but did believe that PA, MA, and WI would go blue. Didn't happen. But it is still looking like the Trump campaign was ready to accept help from a foreign nation in order to win.

 

[Belk]

What is the grey area?
Hear no evil? Is that monkey with his ears covered by his hands now part of American law?

Perhaps you should wait to hear back from the person qualified to respond to questions on US law like I am?

 

[NotreDame]

Yet, when law enforcement wants to arrest someone they always wait until the money is provided.

False. It is false "they always until the money is provided." Do you know how many drug cases I have personally filed and/or prosecuted when no exchange of money occurred? Many. I have successfully prosecuted attempted possession, in which no money was exchanged/provided, conspiracy to deal, in which no money was exchanged/provided, and law enforcement has conducted arrests for both, despite the fact no money was exchanged and/or provided.

You attempt to argue by example, offering a parallel instance of no money provided/exchanged (parallel to no exchange of information/no information provided), but this does not absolve Trump Jr. of any potential criminal wrongdoing, as a crime can still be committed without any exchange or information, without Trump Jr receiving or provided with information, just as arrests and successful prosecution of drug offense can and do occur in the absence of any exchange of money.

 

[NotreDame]

Sounds like we are in kind of a legal grey area?

Presently, the answer is yes!

 

[Belk]

Presently, the answer is yes!

Cool! Should be interesting to see how this plays out. If it goes to court of course.

 

[NightHawkeye]

False. It is false "they always until the money is provided." Do you know how many drug cases I have personally filed and/or prosecuted when no exchange of money occurred? Many. I have successfully prosecuted attempted possession, in which no money was exchanged/provided, conspiracy to deal, in which no money was exchanged/provided, and law enforcement has conducted arrests for both, despite the fact no money was exchanged and/or provided.

... and how many of those have you won against the buyer when no money was offered, no solicitation was made by the buyer and no agreement was entered into?

 

[SolomonVII]

Perhaps you should wait to hear back from the person qualified to respond to questions on US law like I am?

Oookayy?

 

[PeachyKeane]

Question: If Trump (Sr.) was his own senior advisor, how did he not know about this meeting until a week ago?

If Trump, Jr., Kuchner and Mannafort took the meeting, without telling Trump, Sr. in an attempt to insulate him, and give plausible deniability, isn't obvious they knew they were skirting ethically questionable, if not illegal activity, and proceeded anyway?

 

[Belk]

Oookayy?

If you read NotreDame's posts you will see that there is very good legal arguments on both side of this issue. Hence the gray area.

 

[NightHawkeye]

If you read NotreDame's posts you will see that there is very good legal arguments on both side of this issue. Hence the gray area.

"Gray area" ...

... just another way to say that there is no case.

 

[PeachyKeane]

"Gray area" ...

... just another way to say that there is no case.

There's a case, it's just hard to predict the outcome.

 

[NightHawkeye]

There's a case, it's just hard to predict the outcome.

Hmm ...

Consider this then. The laws of probability may be stacked against prosecution when even the most ardent devotees for prosecution admit that there is no clear violation of law.