Does not having a four year degree mean you are uneducated?

[bhsmte]

Threads like this, is why this site is so entertaining. Human psychology is so interesting to watch in action.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

There are a number of variations in the specifics, but yeah, that's about it.

I knew a man who conned people for over a decade promoting the lying rhetoric the sovereign citizen movement promotes.
He lost everything in the end including the two daughters, aged 8 and 10, that he'd kept out of school all their school aged life. And that was before he died in a federal prison. He earned his way there. Because the lives of the people he ruined are probably still not recovered.

It is so interesting how I am mocked for showing people law, particularly my brothers and sisters in Christ.

I now know how Jesus must have felt.

You have no place in comparing yourself to our Lord. Your false rhetoric has put countless people in prison that fell for it. They lost their home, their freedom, their dignity. You're not showing anyone the law. You're spewing rhetoric promoted by con men and women in the sovereign citizen movement. The anti-tax movement. Those fools that end up in prison having lost everything they own. Because they believe the lies that say the 16th amendment was never lawfully ratified. That the IRS has no lawful authority, etc....

Jesus Christ wasn't a liar. Jesus Christ felt what he felt, suffered what he suffered, because liars that said he must be killed because he was bringing the truth of God and eternal life that was for the asking due to the grace of God to a fallen world, killed him.

YOU are NOTHING like Christ.

I'm going to save you some time typing on that keyboard you bought using American currency contrary to your claims, and tell you that I'll be setting your account to my ignore list.
I know you're not being truthful about the rhetoric you're spewing here and living under those articles you claim to know.

I've helped stop con-men and women like you and have watched them walked into federal prisons for years before I retired and made my own business far removed from that bad fiction.

No one should ever take such garbage to heart as that which you spout here. If they do and seek out those sovereign citizen groups that sell packages to liberate the individual from the government ownership, they'll lose everything they have. Which can, as happened in some of our cases, *include children, homes, and freedom.

Freedom lost because they were handcuffed and put in a real prison. For years!

You know nothing about the law. Your copy and paste nonsense can get people hurt.

And that's not an example of Christian charity or lifestyle.

It's an example of those that need Christ. And in our experience with almost every case we helped to prosecution, was exactly what happened to those who were convicted promoting the garbage you're talking . Because Christians may be waiting for the second coming of our Lord, but the ones we knew found him in a federal prison!
That's the beautiful thing about voluntary clergy in such places as that.

You should be ashamed. And if you're selling patriot liberation packages, you will be jailed.
Matter of time.


*include - edited that into this text because it was missing

 

[abdAlSalam]

Still waiting for your definition of socialism, by the way.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Threads like this, is why this site is so entertaining. Human psychology is so interesting to watch in action.

Is that why you contribute so much to the program?

 

[bhsmte]

Is that why you contribute so much to the program?

That would be for others to decide.

 

[MrSpikey]

I knew a man who conned people for over a decade promoting the lying rhetoric the sovereign citizen movement promotes.
He lost everything in the end including the two daughters, aged 8 and 10, that he'd kept out of school all their school aged life. And that was before he died in a federal prison. He earned his way there. Because the lives of the people he ruined are probably still not recovered.

Unfortunately, it seems to be a growing industry.

The more recent ones seem a little more adept at staying one step ahead of the law though, through strategic deployment of fall guys.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Unfortunately, it seems to be a growing industry.

The more recent ones seem a little more adept at staying one step ahead of the law though, through strategic deployment of fall guys.

Yes, but fall guys always sooner or later add up to knowing who the top rung dispatchers are.
Then they tumble like dominoes.
It is a beautiful thing to watch. Especially when you've got single mom's weeping like a baby because they're losing everything they thought they owned all to themselves.
Now, it is true that if you don't file your deed with the State office it is legal and it is your own. No property tax bills arrive or anything like that. But these groups go to the whole other level.

I was at an auction once because we'd heard there was a sovereign citizen group that was going to sell liberation tax packages through install of fliers under attendees windshield wipers.
Never thought we'd see someone who bought into the rhetoric arrive to bid on the home that had been foreclosed on.

He steps up to the auction block just before they gavel down on the winning bid and offers what he said was legal tender. It was a bag of silver that he claimed weighed what was the cash minimum amount for the house. Arguing that the federal reserve notes that the winner was to pay were illegal.

The auctioneer and a representative from the bank didn't even look at him.

We asked a local officer to accompany him to his car for safety sake. After all, that poor man had just announced he had a bag full of untraceable silver.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

Oh, and promoting illegal unethical sovereign citizen movement rhetoric is no way to blaspheme the innocence of a rabbit either! Just sayin.

 

[MrSpikey]

Yes, but fall guys always sooner or later add up to knowing who the top rung dispatchers are.
Then they tumble like dominoes.
It is a beautiful thing to watch. Especially when you've got single mom's weeping like a baby because they're losing everything they thought they owned all to themselves.
Now, it is true that if you don't file your deed with the State office it is legal and it is your own. No property tax bills arrive or anything like that. But these groups go to the whole other level.

I was at an auction once because we'd heard there was a sovereign citizen group that was going to sell liberation tax packages through install of fliers under attendees windshield wipers.
Never thought we'd see someone who bought into the rhetoric arrive to bid on the home that had been foreclosed on.

He steps up to the auction block just before they gavel down on the winning bid and offers what he said was legal tender. It was a bag of silver that he claimed weighed what was the cash minimum amount for the house. Arguing that the federal reserve notes that the winner was to pay were illegal.

The auctioneer and a representative from the bank didn't even look at him.

We asked a local officer to accompany him to his car for safety sake. After all, that poor man had just announced he had a bag full of untraceable silver.

In a relatively recent example that I'm very familiar with, the ringleader took great care to insulate himself from provable wrongdoing. He was still on the internet and the group phone calls, telling people to send money for the next big legal push etc. But when it came down to actual physical action, a few of his loyal followers were the ones enacting his fantasy while he was nowhere to be seen. I haven't checked for a while, but the criminal cases should be resolved soon, if they haven't been already. With charges including interfering with a jury, and defendents who seem determined to stick to their ideology to the bitter end, they will be behind bars for a while.

 

[Moxie123]

I knew a man who conned people for over a decade promoting the lying rhetoric the sovereign citizen movement promotes.

Is that a fact.

He lost everything in the end including the two daughters, aged 8 and 10, that he'd kept out of school all their school aged life. And that was before he died in a federal prison. He earned his way there. Because the lives of the people he ruined are probably still not recovered.

Very vague. If he indeed ended up there, he had poor court technique.

You have no place in comparing yourself to our Lord.

I show people the law, just like Jesus did. I humble myself to him. It is our job to be salt of the earth, and I am quite salty. I strongly believe America is captive to Babylon, just like God's people were off and on in the Old Testament, because of their chasing other gods and idols, just like people on this forum chase their Trump and Hillary idols, as if those two are a god. They do not even obey God's laws. They do not call Jesus Lord.

Your false rhetoric

Prove my rhetoric is false. I have posted numerous Supreme Court cases and Public Laws backing up what I say.
Understanding how to apply it is something different altogether.

You're not showing anyone the law.

What do you call 12USC411? What do you call US vs Cruikshank? What do you call the two constitutions? Are you saying those are fake?

You're spewing rhetoric promoted by con men and women in the sovereign citizen movement. The anti-tax movement.

Is that a fact. I am simply showing the law, no matter how you want to downplay it. I"m sure people's discovery of these truths would put many crooked people out of a job.

Jesus Christ wasn't a liar.

We agree there.

...because liars that said he must be killed because he was bringing the truth of God and eternal life that was for the asking due to the grace of God to a fallen world, killed him.

I bring the truth about law to people as well. It is up to them to study it to show themselves approved in order to use it.

YOU are NOTHING like Christ.

I will let the Holy Spirit take care of this comment.

I'm going to save you some time typing on that keyboard you bought using American currency

Did I claim to use Chinese Yen? British pound? What?

I'll be setting your account to my ignore list.

I know you're not being truthful about the rhetoric you're spewing here and living under those articles you claim to know.

What makes you so sure of that?

Your copy and paste nonsense can get people hurt.

Cutting and pasting Old Testament law can get people hurt

It's an example of those that need Christ. And in our experience with almost every case we helped to prosecution, was exactly what happened to those who were convicted promoting the garbage you're talking . Because Christians may be waiting for the second coming of our Lord, but the ones we knew found him in a federal prison!
That's the beautiful thing about voluntary clergy in such places as that.

Yet there are many who succeed in spades.

Again, my Christian brothers and sisters, Revelation 18. Come out of her.

You should be ashamed.

Are you voting for an idol who does not call Jesus Lord? Then you should be ashamed.

And if you're selling patriot liberation packages, you will be jailed.
Matter of time.

Nope, I never charge anything for sharing the law. Just like sharing God's law. It's free.

 

[Moxie123]

He steps up to the auction block just before they gavel down on the winning bid and offers what he said was legal tender. It was a bag of silver that he claimed weighed what was the cash minimum amount for the house. Arguing that the federal reserve notes that the winner was to pay were illegal.

Even I agree that was stupid of him! That isn't how lawful money works.

 

[Job8]

I have an advanced degree also, and I can speak with confidence that you are full of baloney.

So you really believe the myth that four years in college = an education? Perhaps you need to discover what really constitutes an education.

 

[essentialsaltes]

So you really believe the myth that four years in college = an education? Perhaps you need to discover what really constitutes an education.

Your claim was "Colleges and universities today are simply hotbeds of socialism or Marxism"

This is baloney.

From my experience, what students get out of college depends on how much they put into it. It is certainly quite possible to obtain an education there, but not guaranteed.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

In a relatively recent example that I'm very familiar with, the ringleader took great care to insulate himself from provable wrongdoing. He was still on the internet and the group phone calls, telling people to send money for the next big legal push etc. But when it came down to actual physical action, a few of his loyal followers were the ones enacting his fantasy while he was nowhere to be seen. I haven't checked for a while, but the criminal cases should be resolved soon, if they haven't been already. With charges including interfering with a jury, and defendents who seem determined to stick to their ideology to the bitter end, they will be behind bars for a while.

You aren't referring to Irwin Schiff are you? He wrote, The Biggest Con: How the Government is Fleecing You.

If so, Irwin died last year while cuffed to a hospital bed after having been sentenced to serve a very long prison term.
A lot of the garbage he wrote in that book is the same as was related in this thread about currency, and the secondary meaning of "understand".

 

[Moxie123]

Irwin did not comprehend jurisdiction, hence his long prison term.

Are you aware that you are scoffing at the laws of the very government you worship?

It is clear that you do not study for yourself the meaning of these laws or you would see their truths. These laws are in place to be used, not mocked.

 

[RedPonyDriver]

Sometimes I think there are some people who really NEED that education...especially a crash course in critical thinking.

 

[MrSpikey]

You aren't referring to Irwin Schiff are you? He wrote, The Biggest Con: How the Government is Fleecing You.

If so, Irwin died last year while cuffed to a hospital bed after having been sentenced to serve a very long prison term.
A lot of the garbage he wrote in that book is the same as was related in this thread about currency, and the secondary meaning of "understand".

No, not him - I'll review the current status of case when I get a spare moment and send you a link, if you are interested.

 

[VanillaSunflowers]

No, not him - I'll review the current status of case when I get a spare moment and send you a link, if you are interested.

Sure, I'd appreciate that. Thank you.