Do You Believe Abortion is Murder?

[MoonlessNight]

I am asking this question because I believe it will be of advantage of everyone to see where everyone else stands.

Your answers are public, and that is the point of the poll.

If you refuse to answer and play defense for abortion policies, I will leave it to the board to guess your true beliefs. If you do not want there to be any ambiguity, vote in the poll.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Yes

 

[brinny]

i voted.

It's the shedding of innocent blood.

"Our choices end where another's more fundamental right begins.". ~Archbishop Joseph F. Naumann

 

[CodyFaith]

Yes. And I did before I was a Christian as well.

I have a child waiting for me in heaven. Men have no say in abortion, and they have to stand by and watch their child be slaughtered, just as I did. I don't blame her, she was very young, I blame society and I blame the pro-choice movement, I blame her parents who coerced her to change her mind using disgusting methods and I blame our laws.

It made me lose all faith in our laws, society's beliefs and ideals when it happened. I was a young teen, but even then something inside me knew what was happening was completely wrong.
It's amazing how much this "pro-choice" movement is biased. Say you're considering aborting the child and you have 10 000 people throwing pamphlets and dogma at your feet. Say you're afraid it might be murder and you don't want to do the wrong thing, you have people telling the person it's not murder and convincing them to ignore their conscience's.

 

[imind]

i voted no...murder is unlawful killing and abortion is legal, so...

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Abortion is murder. And it's one of the most heinous kinds of murder since it's the cold killing of a baby. No one could be more innocent and defenseless. These children are the least of our society (see Mt 25:31-46) because even their right to life is denied. People don't like to hear this (see 2 Tim 4:3), but it's the absolute truth. The abortion industry has invented a lot of clever euphemisms for what they do so that they might seduce and ensnare women with lies (see 2 Tim 3:6).

If we lived in a society of truth, justice, and morality, the abortionists would all be put in jail for what they do. That's not to say, however, that a woman who gets an abortion can't be forgiven afterward. The women should be forgiven if they repent. But I think the truth needs to be told about it so that perhaps the ones who are thinking about it might change their mind and choose life (see Dt 30:19 and 1 Tim 2:15).

"I feel that the greatest destroyer of peace today is abortion, because it is a war against the child, a direct killing of the innocent child, murder by the mother herself. And if we accept that a mother can kill even her own child, how can we tell other people not to kill one another?" — St. Teresa of Calcutta to the National Prayer Breakfast, Washington, DC, February 3, 1994

"The moral gravity of procured abortion is apparent in all its truth if we recognize that we are dealing with murder.... The one eliminated is a human being at the very beginning of life." — Pope St. John Paul II, Evangelium Vitae, 25 March 1995

 

[LivingWordUnity]

i voted no...murder is unlawful killing and abortion is legal, so...

Abortion is murder according to the Catholic Church. And anyone who sees an abortion can see that it's the killing of a baby. Roe vs Wade is an unjust law. Here's what it says in the Catechism of the Catholic Church about secular laws:

1902 "Authority does not derive its moral legitimacy from itself. It must not behave in a despotic manner, but must act for the common good as a "moral force based on freedom and a sense of responsibility":

A human law has the character of law to the extent that it accords with right reason, and thus derives from the eternal law. Insofar as it falls short of right reason it is said to be an unjust law, and thus has not so much the nature of law as of a kind of violence.​

1903 Authority is exercised legitimately only when it seeks the common good of the group concerned and if it employs morally licit means to attain it. If rulers were to enact unjust laws or take measures contrary to the moral order, such arrangements would not be binding in conscience. In such a case, "authority breaks down completely and results in shameful abuse."

 

[MoonlessNight]

i voted no...murder is unlawful killing and abortion is legal, so...

On a thread designed to make the positions of posters clearer, you resort to word games. I hope you feel proud and clever.

However, murder is against natural law and divine law, so even on that reading of murder abortion is still murder. The poll should allow you to change your answers. If it does not, I can request that a moderator change the poll to allow this, since it was my intention that the poll track current positions.

Of course, this is all being said on the assumption that you actually believe that abortion is contrary to God's law. If not, you can leave your answer where it is.

 

[imind]

On a thread designed to make the positions of posters clearer, you resort to word games.

or perhaps you should have worded your question better, rather than blaming others for answering it both accurately and correctly...i stand by my post.

However, murder is against natural law and divine law, so even on that reading of murder abortion is still murder.

murder may be against natural and divine law, but it does not follow from that alone that abortion is murder.

Of course, this is all being said on the assumption that you actually believe that abortion is contrary to God's law. If not, you can leave your answer where it is.

as it happens, i do not feel that it is contrary to god's law so i will again stand by my post (and my vote).

 

[Rhamiel]

i voted no...murder is unlawful killing and abortion is legal, so...

so Hitler did not have Jews murdered since he was the legal authority in the places where those atrocities took place?

just checking

 

[imind]

so Hitler did not have Jews murdered since he was the legal authority in the places where those atrocities took place?

what hitler (et al) were guilty of was genocide...you cannot compare two, at least not, in my opinion, intellectually honestly.

 

[KevinC1129]

Yes, abortion is murder.

 

[pdudgeon]

what hitler (et al) were guilty of was genocide...you cannot compare two, at least not, in my opinion, intellectually honestly.

yes you can, because the motivation is the same in both cases;
the wanton, preplanned, and deliberate elimination of a person or persons.

 

[Mountain_Girl406]

I don't know how to vote. I believe abortion is murder in much the same way I believe meat is murder...in other words I see both as the taking of sentient life yet recognize in both cases that these acts of 'stopping a beating heart' are legal and therefore aren't murder by definition.

 

[MoonlessNight]

Good grief.

If I have to I can start another thread with the question "Do you believe abortion is sinful?"

It's clear enough at this point that even that would be a controversial question among some people here. (Though I do recognize that some people are only getting hung up on the word "murder. ")

 

[LivingWordUnity]

2 Tim 4:3 explains it.

 

[Michie]

Good grief.

If I have to I can start another thread with the question "Do you believe abortion is sinful?"

It's clear enough at this point that even that would be a controversial question among some people here. (Though I do recognize that some people are only getting hung up on the word "murder. ")

Abortion is sinful.

 

[Fantine]

Good grief.

If I have to I can start another thread with the question "Do you believe abortion is sinful?"
)

I agree that abortion is objectively sinful and that the moral culpability of the woman involved depends on the conditions for serious sin being met, as is the case with all other sin.

 

[AvilaSurfer]

Abortion is murder, always a mortal sin. A Catholic woman who has an abortion automatically excommunicates herself.

 

[LivingWordUnity]

Abortion is murder, always a mortal sin. A Catholic woman who has an abortion automatically excommunicates herself.

And people are an accomplice to murder when they say that abortion is a right.