Democrats hope to prevent a 'no' vote on the Iran deal

[TLK Valentine]

So what's the alternative?

 

[TerranceL]

With the sanctions lifted, Iran gets 10 years of economic prosperity... or at least improvement.

That's worth waiting for on the nuke.

Or Iran gets a nuke then warns that to continue the sanctions is an act of war and get them lifted anyway.

 

[TerranceL]

So what's the alternative?

There is no alternative, Iran is going to be a nuclear power. Even if Israel decides to attack what they think are areas where the Iranians are making nukes. All Iran needs is one nuke to stop Israel in their tracks.

Well that's assuming Israel behaves logically.

We are giving billions of dollars to people who have proven they don't keep their word. This is stupid.

 

[Vylo]

Given how often Iran has been caught in non-compliance with the IAEA, what's the point anyway? Lets gift them billions of dollars to not do something in 10 years that we know they will do as soon as they can?

How well did that work with North Korea?

We aren't gifting them anything. This is money that is theirs that they can't unlock due to sanctions.

Breaking the deal would mean losing billions and a severe risk of military intervention. They would have no reason to risk it, which is why it is being proposed.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Or Iran gets a nuke then warns that to continue the sanctions is an act of war and get them lifted anyway.

And we call their bluff. Cobbling together a nuke in secret doesn't put you in the major leagues.

 

[TLK Valentine]

There is no alternative, Iran is going to be a nuclear power. Even if Israel decides to attack what they think are areas where the Iranians are making nukes. All Iran needs is one nuke to stop Israel in their tracks.

Are we buying into the "Israel has no nukes" story?

Well that's assuming Israel behaves logically.

We are giving billions of dollars to people who have proven they don't keep their word. This is stupid.

but hardly unusual.

 

[TerranceL]

And we call their bluff. Cobbling together a nuke in secret doesn't put you in the major leagues.

Name the last nuclear state we moved against.

 

[TerranceL]

Are we buying into the "Israel has no nukes" story?

If we're lucky their nukes will meet in the air and shake hands before the two countries obliterate each other.

but hardly unusual.

True.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Name the last nuclear state we moved against.

Not counting the Cold War?

 

[TLK Valentine]

If we're lucky their nukes will meet in the air and shake hands before the two countries obliterate each other.

If they're lucky, you mean.

 

[TerranceL]

Not counting the Cold War?

Which nuclear state did we move against? Moving against the states pawns doesn't count.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Which nuclear state did we move against? Moving against the states pawns doesn't count.

It doesn't? So if Iran moves against Israel, that won't count against us? Is Israel not our pawn... or are we theirs?

 

[TerranceL]

It doesn't? So if Iran moves against Israel, that won't count against us? Is Israel not our pawn... or are we theirs?

No I don't think it would, it's the difference between attacking israel and attacking florida. We've seen israel attacked alot over the past few decades by irans pawn hamas and haven't stepped in. When we directly are attacked the whole thing changes.

 

[Oafman]

No I don't think it would, it's the difference between attacking israel and attacking florida. We've seen israel attacked alot over the past few decades by irans pawn hamas and haven't stepped in. When we directly are attacked the whole thing changes.

Hamas is not controlled from Tehran, though the Iranians have influence.

Were you confusing them with Hezbollah, who are under direct Iranian control?

 

[Supreme]

The deal is a good thing, and we really do need every Democrat Senator to push it through. Iran can be a huge regional player, including a big ally against ISIS. As for their authoritarian regime? Well, Saudi Arabia's monarchy is far more dangerous in terms of terrorism to the West, yet we prop them up billions in petrodollars.

We could, and already do, have far worse allies than Iran.

 

[TerranceL]

Hamas is not controlled from Tehran, though the Iranians have influence.

Were you confusing them with Hezbollah, who are under direct Iranian control?

Yes, my bad, thanks for the fix.

 

[Followers4christ]

With the sanctions lifted, Iran gets 10 years of economic prosperity... or at least improvement.

That's worth waiting for on the nuke.

HAIFA, Israel – An unsettling surge in terrorism by Iranian proxies has many Israelis convinced the release to Tehran of tens of billions of dollars in frozen funds is already putting the Jewish state in danger.

In recent days, rockets have rained down on Israel from Gaza in the south and the Golan Heights to the north, Israeli forces foiled a bomb plot at the tomb of biblical patriarch Joseph, and Gaza-based terrorist groups that also have a presence in the West Bank have openly appealed for aid on Iranian television. Israeli officials fear the terrorist activity is spiking as groups audition for funding from Tehran, which is set to receive the long-frozen funds as part of its deal to allow limited nuclear inspections. They say the international focus on Iran's nuclear ambitions has left its more conventional methods of attacking regional adversaries unaddressed.

For full artical:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2015/0...at-flush-iran-spurring-new-attacks-on-israel/

It does not seem to deter them from wanting to take out isreal and they don't even have the nuclear deal approved yet. Plus Iran is allowing limited nuclear inspections which they will be apart of according to the deal. Plus Iran will be given a 24 day notice before any inspectors can inspect anything. It seems that this deal benefits Obama more then it will Israel.

Also read:

http://freebeacon.com/national-secu...on-delay-will-boost-iranian-nuclear-cheating/

 

[Followers4christ]

The deal is a good thing, and we really do need every Democrat Senator to push it through. Iran can be a huge regional player, including a big ally against ISIS. As for their authoritarian regime? Well, Saudi Arabia's monarchy is far more dangerous in terms of terrorism to the West, yet we prop them up billions in petrodollars.

We could, and already do, have far worse allies than Iran.

Allies don't on a regular basis call for your destruction and the destruction of Israel. A spokesman for Iran's top parliament member said, “Our positions against [Israel] have not changed at all; Israel should be annihilated.” Not to mention that on Quds Day Iran chanted "death to America" and "death to Israel", which the president of Iran celebrated as well. Plus you can't make a deal with terrorist and a nation that supports terrorism, which Iran is run by terrorist and supports it. To "hope they change their minds and play nice is wishful thinking at best.

"TEL AVIV – After months of financial hardship, the coffers of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorist organization are set to overflow with Iranian financing as Tehran officially reconciles with Islamic Jihad leadership, Middle Eastern defense officials told WND."

Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/08/iran-...islamic-jihad-terrorists/#pkXUGAAh2VKBtEUw.99

Also read:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/07/17/it-just-got-easier-for-iran-to-fund-terrorism-swift-bank/

 

[TLK Valentine]

It does not seem to deter them from wanting to take out isreal and they don't even have the nuclear deal approved yet. Plus Iran is allowing limited nuclear inspections which they will be apart of according to the deal. Plus Iran will be given a 24 day notice before any inspectors can inspect anything.

Nothing's going to deter them from wanting to take out Israel -- did you think that's what the deal is about?

This keeps them from getting a nuke -- that's what the deal is about. And for at least a decade, it accomplishes that goal.

It seems that this deal benefits Obama more then it will Israel.

Obama is the leader of the United States, not Israel -- if Israel wants a deal that benefits itself more than anyone else, let them negotiate on their own.

 

[Supreme]

Allies don't on a regular basis call for your destruction and the destruction of Israel. A spokesman for Iran's top parliament member said, “Our positions against [Israel] have not changed at all; Israel should be annihilated.” Not to mention that on Quds Day Iran chanted "death to America" and "death to Israel", which the president of Iran celebrated as well. Plus you can't make a deal with terrorist and a nation that supports terrorism, which Iran is run by terrorist and supports it. To "hope they change their minds and play nice is wishful thinking at best.

"TEL AVIV – After months of financial hardship, the coffers of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad terrorist organization are set to overflow with Iranian financing as Tehran officially reconciles with Islamic Jihad leadership, Middle Eastern defense officials told WND."

Read more at http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/08/iran-...islamic-jihad-terrorists/#pkXUGAAh2VKBtEUw.99

Also read:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/07/17/it-just-got-easier-for-iran-to-fund-terrorism-swift-bank/

Iran's call for America' destruction is nothing more than wordplay, a relic from the Revolution. A new generation of young, tech-savvy and more secular Iranians are taking to the streets of Tehran now, and rallies chanting 'death to America' have never been so sparsely attended.

As for Islamic Jihad, they're pretty much a non-threat in comparison with Israel's incredibly high-tech military. Iran feels it *has* to fund terrorist groups to save face as a budding regional power, and also to counteract the poisonous influence of the Saudis.