Defining "Sacred Tradition"

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The alternate being - I read this 2000+ year old book and have only now discovered it's true meaning.
Greetings! Yer lucky. I have been reading it for over 5 yrs now and haven't even scratched the surface of it yet..........Sigh......:wave:

Zechariah 13:5 And he says 'Not a-prophet I, man tilling ground/0127 'adamah I, that adam he-caused-me-to-acquire/07069 qanah from youths of me".
And he says to him: "what the smitings/04347 makkah, these, between hands of thee"? And he says "which I was smitten/05221 nakah House of lovers/0157 'ahab of me".

John 19:15 Those yet Cry-out "take-away! take-away! crucify! Him". Is saying to them the Pilate "the King of ye I shall be crucifying?". Answered the Chief-priests "not we are having a King except Caesar/kaisara <2541>

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hogwash.

much of "sacred traditon" isn't in that 2000 year old book at all.

nice try though.
Hey UB.....I been meaning to ask ya....what do ya mean by yer siggy? Ya leaving us? :confused:

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2 Thessalonians 2:15 15 So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.

That is Holy Tradition

That is what RC and EO say, but anyone can see that it isn't correct. The verse says to stand by "traditions, " NOT "Tradition." Sacred Tradition we know as an alternate (alleged) source of divine revelation and follows certain rules. Nothing in that verse speaks of this.

And not only that, but you can't begin to know which "traditions" the verse is referring to! The Immaculate Conception? Papal Infallibility? Transubstantiation? All that and much more is made dogma by churches citing the appearance of the word "traditions" in scripture. It doesn't matter that these were not traditions at that time or that we have no way of knowing what traditions Paul was referring to. He could well have meant nothing more than keep up your Jewish customs of Synagogue attendance, etc. which we know the earliest Christians did.

But the OP is probably answered well enough by your reply. It amounts to this--we found the word "traditions" in Scripture, so we say that church leaders are empowered to dogmatize any and all legends and theories, of any kind, as God's own truth, even if different communions/denominations have a lists that differ from each other, and to impose the finding upon the people as obligatory. It's ludicrous, but I agree with you--that's the way it is explained.

As for the part that reads, either by word of mouth or by letter, this obviously means that it's the same information but transmitted by different methods. "Sacred Tradition" claims that it has additional and different revelation.
 
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That is what RC and EO say, but anyone can see that it isn't correct. The verse says to stand by "traditions, " NOT "Tradition." Sacred Tradition we know as an alternate (alleged) source of divine revelation and follows certain rules. Nothing in that verse speaks of this.

And not only that, but you can't begin to know which "traditions" the verse is referring to! The Immaculate Conception? Papal Infallibility? Transubstantiation? All that and much more is made dogma by churches citing the appearance of the word "traditions" in scripture. It doesn't matter that these were not traditions at that time or that we have no way of knowing what traditions Paul was referring to. He could well have meant nothing more than keep up your Jewish customs of Synagogue attendance, etc. which we know the earliest Christians did.

But the OP is probably answered well enough by your reply. It amounts to this--we found the word "traditions" in Scripture, so we say that church leaders are empowered to dogmatize any and all legends and theories, of any kind, as God's own truth, even if different communions/denominations have a lists that differ from each other, and to impose the finding upon the people as obligatory. It's ludicrous, but I agree with you--that's the way it is explained.

Great points!
 
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Of course they do!! ................

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We have here a potentially interesting topic, and it has nothing at all to do with Communism. So let's stick to the subject.
Greetings. It would be better if more Roman Catholics joined in or all those Denominations that practice the traditions of the early ECFs or wherever they got their Traditions from......:wave:

Exodus 7:20 And Moses and Aaron are doing as which YHWH instructed. And he is holding high in rod, and is smiting the waters which in Nile, before eyes of Pharaoh, and before eyes of his servants, and they are being turned all of the waters which in Nile to blood.

Revelation 11:6 These ones are having the authority to shut/lock the heaven that no shower may be raining the days of the prophecy of them. And authority they are having upon/over of the waters to be turning them to blood, and to smite the land with every blow as often as they are desiring/willing.
 
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Josiah said:
Catholic Definition:


1. It's the RCC alone that determines what Tradition is:


"It is the Authoritative Voice of the Catholic Church which determines what is to be accepted and rejected as Tradition." The Handbook of the Catholic Faith, page 151



2. It's the RCC itself alone that determines the meaning of this Tradition it itself alone chose.

The task of giving an authentic interpretation of the Word of God, whether in its written form or in the form of Tradition, has been entrusted to the living, teaching office of the [Catholic] Church alone [Sola Ecclesia]. This means that the task of interpretion has been entrusted to the bishops in communion with the successor of Peter, the bishop of Rome." Catholic Catechism # 85



3. This "Tradition" as the RCC has chosen and as the RCC itself has interpreted, is not accountable to God's Scriptures but is EQUAL and SUPPLIMENTAL to it.

The [Catholic] Church does not derive its certainty about truth from the holy Scriptures alone. But both Scripture and Tradition must be accepted and honored with equal sentiments." Catholic Catechism # 82

Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture and the Magisterium of the [Catholic] Church are so connecated and associated that one of them cannot stand without the other. Working together, they all contribute...." Catholic Catechims # 95


Realize, too, that this Holy Scripture which is equal to the Tradition as the RCC itself alone as chosen as it itself alone interprets, is....

Scripture is written principally in the heart of the [Catholic] Church rather than in documents or records, for the [Catholic] Church carries in its Tradition the living memory... Catholic Catechism # 113




Protestant Definition:


Anglicans, Lutherans, Methodist and often Reformed Protestants speak of "tradition" in several way:

1. It refers to the historic, ecumenical, consensus of God's people, especially regarding the interpretation and application of Scriptures. This if often held in very high esteem, but at least a tad under God's Word (as indeed Protestants tend to regard the words of men as under the Word of God). Examples would be the Apostles and Nicene Creeds.

2. The historic, consensus and generally official teachings of the specific theological community. In Lutheranism, we call this type of Tradition, "Confessions." This is not ecumenical since it may be distinctive to a particular theological community (ie "Lutheran" or "Reformed"). For example, the "Lutheran Confessions" (the Book of Concord), the Reformed Confessions. The Lutheran Book of Concord (unchanged since 1580 - with no additions, revisions, developments or expansions) begins with the 3 ecumenical creeds - in a category unto themselves, then addresses the Lutheran Confessions.

3. The historic and broadly accepted customs and practices of God's people - which may be ecumenical or perhaps more limited in terms of time or community.



Pax!


- Josiah


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Great! Now which one should be considered "Orthodox"?


You'll need to ask an Orthodox brother or sister which (if either) is their definition.






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You'll need to ask an Orthodox brother or sister which (if either) is their definition..
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Greetings. What traditions do Lutherans follow that the RCs and Orthodox do not or vice versa? Thanks. :wave:

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Greetings. What traditions do Lutherans follow that the RCs and Orthodox do not or vice versa? Thanks. :wave:

Go St. Tyndale!

Lutherans do not follow any version of "Sacred Tradition." They are "Sola Scriptura" instead. Remember, we are not talking about "traditions" like how many candles to use or whether we kneel when others stand.

"Sacred Tradition" is a METHOD of APPREHENDING God's will that stands in opposition to following the Bible as our highest and final doctrinal authority.
 
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Greetings. It would be better if more Roman Catholics joined in or all those Denominations that practice the traditions of the early ECFs or wherever they got their Traditions from......:wave:

I agree, but the thread is still young, and I think that if we stay with the subject and do not wander, they will come along and offer their input.
 
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You'll need to ask an Orthodox brother or sister which (if either) is their definition.






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No, neither of those exactly explain how Tradition exists in the Orthodox Church.

I would say that it is closer to how you described the protestant view...but not exactly. We do view the Scriptures as the most authoritative part of Tradition. There are various traditions that make up the One Tradition: scriptural, patristic, doctrinal, canonical, artistic, architectural, and liturgical. All of these are interwoven. It is the very life of the Church.
 
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