Creationist Verses

[RightWingGirl]

Hi!
I was wondering what the most common objections by theistic evolutionists to these quotes are. These are verses that indicate either a world-wide flood, six day creation, or the existance of man since the begining of creation.


Exd 20:11For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

This was written by the finger of God into solid rock. It seems to me to clearly state that the universe was created in six days.

Mar 10:5-6 And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the
hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the
beginning of the creation God made them male and female.



Luk 1:70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which
have been since the world began:

I am aware that some new translations put it "Have been of old" but the greek directly translated clearly states "Since the world began"

2Pe 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished



Some other verse are Acts 3:21, 2Peter 2:5, 1 Peter 3:20, Mat 24:37, Isa 54:9, I haven't the complete list with me at the moment, but I'll try to post them later.

THank you for your input!

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Theologically I have no problem with any of the young Earth or flat Earth or hail stored in barrels verses found in the Bible, they all help make valid points and reveal truths to us in a way that God’s creation cannot. It is when people try and take these theological points and turn them into history or rules for the physical universe and end up destroying both their theological value and the Bibles credibility, that I have a problem.

 

[gluadys]

Hi!
I was wondering what the most common objections by theistic evolutionists to these quotes are. These are verses that indicate either a world-wide flood, six day creation, or the existance of man since the begining of creation.

Why are you assuming that theistic evolutionists have any objection to these verses?

 

[Dannager]

I have no objections to those verses. I have objections to people trying to interpret those verses as literal history even in the face of massive evidence to the contrary.

 

[chaoschristian]

Three other folks have said what I'm going to say, but I'll take it one step further:

Not only do I not object to those verses in particular, I do not object to any of the verses to be found with canonical scripture. Scripture is after all a revelation of nature, character and will of God to mankind.

What I do object to is the use of scripture in way that goes outside of its intent. Scripture primarily tells us WHY in relation to Creation, whereas Creation itself is the primary revelation of the HOW. In this way, when scripture and Creation conflict, then I accept Creation in preference over scripture.

And just the same, Creation has little to do with or say about salvation, and so in that case I prefer scripture over Creation.

 

[RightWingGirl]

Hmm... Maybe my question could be better worded what makes you think that these verses are only intended as an illustration, or a myth, instead of fact?

Exd 20:11For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

What do you think the average Hebrew of the time would have thought was meant by this?

 

[The Lady Kate]

What do you think the average Hebrew of the time would have thought was meant by this?

Well... I'm not an average Hebrew of the time, so what's the point?

 

[LewisWildermuth]

Hmm... Maybe my question could be better worded what makes you think that these verses are only intended as an illustration, or a myth, instead of fact?

Exd 20:11For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

What do you think the average Hebrew of the time would have thought was meant by this?

That God is ultimately responsible for the motions of the moon, on which the Hebrew calendar was based, and they could stop worshiping the Babylonian or other moon gods for this.

 

[WAB]

Theologically I have no problem with any of the young Earth or flat Earth or hail stored in barrels verses found in the Bible, they all help make valid points and reveal truths to us in a way that God’s creation cannot. It is when people try and take these theological points and turn them into history or rules for the physical universe and end up destroying both their theological value and the Bibles credibility, that I have a problem.

My, my, my... You have: "...no problem with ...flat earth or hail stored in barrels verses found in the Bible..."

Would you be good enough to reference these verses? As you are no doubt aware, twisting scriptures to fit a predetermined mind-set is not a good idea.

And from what theological perspective do you think flat earth and barrels full of hail are taught in the Scriptures?

 

[chaoschristian]

My, my, my... You have: "...no problem with ...flat earth or hail stored in barrels verses found in the Bible..."

Would you be good enough to reference these verses? As you are no doubt aware, twisting scriptures to fit a predetermined mind-set is not a good idea.

And from what theological perspective do you think flat earth and barrels full of hail are taught in the Scriptures?

I pass on the flat earth thing, but I believe one can find entire warehouses full of hail referenced in the Book of Job.

 

[gluadys]

Hmm... Maybe my question could be better worded what makes you think that these verses are only intended as an illustration, or a myth, instead of fact?

Exd 20:11For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

What do you think the average Hebrew of the time would have thought was meant by this?

That God established rhythms of work and rest in creation which humanity is to observe by resting from work on the seventh day.

 

[RightWingGirl]

In six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day:

Is this true?

 

[RightWingGirl]

That God is ultimately responsible for the motions of the moon, on which the Hebrew calendar was based, and they could stop worshiping the Babylonian or other moon gods for this.

I'm sorry, I'm not quite sure where you are comming from. How could this---
Exd 20:11For [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it

---have anything to do with moon gods?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Hi!




RightWingGirl,

A careful reading of Genesis One will reveal what was actually created in the six day period. Carefully read the account several times, then several times more. Then again; and again. Use the concordance, commentary, and dictionary. Then carefully meditate on what you've read. Of course pray for understanding as well. To really understand God's word you must know it inside and out, back and forth, up and down. Don't take anyone's word for what it means. Learn what it means for yourself. I know this is hard, not the way you're used to learning, but you can do it. God caused His word to be published in book form so that you and I can personally access His mind, Discovery through personal study of God's truth is very exciting and leads to more and more understanding, and great confidence.

oldwiseguy

 

[RightWingGirl]

Hi!




RightWingGirl,

A careful reading of Genesis One will reveal what was actually created in the six day period. Carefully read the account several times, then several times more. Then again; and again. Use the concordance, commentary, and dictionary. Then carefully meditate on what you've read. Of course pray for understanding as well. To really understand God's word you must know it inside and out, back and forth, up and down. Don't take anyone's word for what it means. Learn what it means for yourself. I know this is hard, not the way you're used to learning, but you can do it. God caused His word to be published in book form so that you and I can personally access His mind, Discovery through personal study of God's truth is very exciting and leads to more and more understanding, and great confidence.

oldwiseguy

Thank you! I'm YEC myself.

 

[Dracil]

In six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day:

Is this true?

Sure, it's true. And some of it happened.

 

[artybloke]

In six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day:

Is this true?

Sure it's true. Just not factual.

 

[WAB]

I pass on the flat earth thing, but I believe one can find entire warehouses full of hail referenced in the Book of Job.

Yes... hail is stored in vast amounts in certain clouds. It was just the reference to literal barrels and warehouses that raises the objection. Have a hunch there is not enough wood available (or cement, or steel) to build the necessary numbers of barrels or warehouses.

 

[WAB]

Sure it's true. Just not factual.

I confess to not being the smartest guy around, and so would you please explain to me how something can be true but not factual?

Or... how can something (anything) be factual but not true? After all, for the one postulation to be true (or factual?) the reverse must be as well.

 

[Dracil]

Actually, he didn't say it was fact and not true. He said it was true and not fact. Very different. Like how dogs are animals, but animals are not dogs.

As for how that can occur, here's an example. Phoenixes will rise up again reborn after burning to ashes. It's a true statement, but no phoenix has actually ever risen up from its ashes.