I could care less about the population, its the ideal that puts a strain on the dignity and honor of marriage. Just as marriage is dragged through the mud in media, divorce, feminism, las vegas "weddings" and 20 day celeb weddings the dignity of marriage and view future people are gonna have on it is gonna be awful. Gay 'marriage' i just another drag in the mud and you just don't realize the ripples you are creating in the water for many future familys.
So gay marriages are similar to "divorce, las vegas "weddings", and 20 day celeb weddings? Care to provide even a shred of evidence for this. You keep making a claim that gay marriage somehow damages marriage but you have provided no evidence other than that it is your belief.
No, he provided a script talking about a certain egyptian being good friends "connected" with another egyptian. Coulda been a friend, soldier, advisor. To claim that they were gay lovers because of that is ludacris and disrespectful.
No, he provided an example of a tomb of two men with the pictogram showing the men kissing, and that it is the same type of pictogram you would find on the tombs of a married male and female couple. Not to mention that historians find that same-sex marriages did occur in ancient Egypt. Though even if you were right, there are plenty of other societies that had same sex marriage anciently. Marriage has not had a consistent definition throughout history.
No, it was related by nature and the differences between man and woman. Man immediatly recognized women were more designed for child bearing and tending to housework.
Sorry, but no. You do realize that there have been societies where women held the roles that we view as the male roles? And in many societies women were responsible for the farming the community did. There has been no single role for women throughout history.
not really, many teens get married. I know 3 couples who were married during their teens and have been together for over 20 years now. God's plan for woman is to be child bearer and family caregiver.
So you have no problem with 14 year old girls marrying 18 year old (and older) men? Because that is what historical marriage typically looked like.
this is true, however King Solomon eventually was against his plural marriages and realized the problem with them. The prophets were not sinless you know and many fell to temptations of lust and murder.
Of course you are leaving out David, Jacob, Moses, and several other prophets/patriarchs of the Old Testament. And if you read your Bible, what Solomon did wrong was marrying foreign wives when he had been commanded not to and who led his heart away from God, that was his major problem. Not to mention that you failed to address concubines, a practice perfectly allowable per the Old Testament.
One word in the veda does not verify same sex marriage. Your grasping at straws now. modern new age books don't hold value
That is about like saying that Abraham is just one word in the Bible and doesn't mean anything. The "third sex" is mentioned multiple times in several of the writings that make up the Veda. And the book is based on historical research, not some "new age" ideas.
Stop trying to use slavery as a tool for your agenda, please. Its disrespectful to people who were actual slaves. you'd be surprised how much of the black community would find your comment extremely insulting.
Here are some quotes by Black leaders:
"I still hear people say that I should not be talking about the rights of lesbian and gay people and I should stick to the issue of racial justice. But I hasten to remind them that Martin Luther King Jr. said, 'Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.' I appeal to everyone who believes in Martin Luther King Jr.'s dream to make room at the table of brother- and sisterhood for lesbian and gay people." -- Coretta Scott King"
I see this as a civil rights issue. That means I support gay civil marriage." -- Julian Bond, Chairman, NAACP
"I believe in equal human rights, before the law, for all human beings, and race, gender, disability, class or sexual orientation should not be a factor under the law. Even though we live under the law in a secular democratic society, religious groups must still be able to maintain their spiritual and moral option to either give or withhold a religious or sacred blessing to such unions.
However, the government should not have that option. It mustaffirm the human and legal rights of everyone." -- Rev. Al Sharpton
"The president vowed to 'do what is legally necessary to defend the sanctity of marriage.' He did not explain precisely how gays and lesbians are attacking the sanctity of marriage by wishing to be bound by it.
"In fact, same-sex marriages are not likely to have any impact on the sanctity of the president's marriage or my marriage or any other heterosexual's marriage. My wife and I would still be married and so would the president and the first lady--for better or worse, in sickness and in health, 'til death do us part, etc., etc." -- Clarence Page, Columnist, Chicago Tribune
"When you talk about the law discriminating, the law granting a privilege here, and a right here and denying it there, that's a civil rights issue. And I can't take that away from anybody." -- Rev. Joseph Lowery, Civil Rights Leader
"I see no problem with gay couples marrying. It's a decision between two people the government has no business interfering. I remember when it was against the law for blacks and whites to be married and that wasn't very long ago. The same people who are fighting gay marriage fought black and white marriage and fought school integration." -- Joycelyn Elders, former Surgeon General of the US
The gay community is suffering nothing like the slaves did, and most of what they do suffer is administered by themselves in their own communitys because of their extremely irresponsible sexual practices.
So if you don't suffer as badly as some other group, you don't deserve rights? And the part about bringing it on themselves is not true. You do realize that gays have more hate crimes committed against them per capita than any other group? You also realize that gays were thrown into Concentration camps by Hitler along with the Jews? While gays were not used as slaves in the US, there is a history of violence and discrimination against them in the US and in western (Christian) society.
Race is a physical pigment you are born with, minority status is not determined by sexual preference. Homosexuality is a choice, and always will be, any homosexual can marry a woman if they want to.
Religious preference is a choice, so does that mean that Christian's should not have their rights protected? They're not even a minority.
But I'd love to see you prove that homosexuality is a choice. Even the ex-gay groups don't believe that, otherwise there would be no need for ex-gay groups. And the results of the ex-gay groups, even using their own claims, does not support being gay is a choice. What they call a success is a person who still has homosexual desires but that does not have homosexual sex -- if homosexuality were truly a choice, then successes would only be measured when people lost homosexual desire.
In fact, however, there is quite a bit of evidence that shows homosexuality is biologically determined.
You don't want rights. You want SPECIAL rights. You want marriage to conform to your own personal lifestyle at the expense of others.
No, you are the one that wants special rights. You want the government to discriminate against other people based on your beliefs. I've already shown that marriage equality is not a special right.
Are you a proponent of evolution? Because by evolutions standand same sex marriage would be a danger to the survival of the human species considering they cannot procreate. So either way it fails on all accounts. Historical, spiritual, and scientific.
And as OphidiaPhile pointed out, you are wrong. There are many traits that we consider "negative" that have survived: two that come quickly to mind are hemophilia and sickle cell anemia. And there have been theories that homosexuality has an evolutionary purpose to aid in population control -- and some of the evidence, such as younger males in a family being more likely to be homosexual, appear to support that theory.
Not to mention that evidence has been presented that same-sex marriages existed historically, despite the fact you seem to want to wish that information away.
divorce should be outlawed except in extreme conditions like danger of ones life, assault, rape, consistent adultry, forced marriage, etc. And while we cannot outlaw it because our country loves broken familys and out of wedlock children we can at least try to salvage the TINY dignity marriage has kept for itself.
So perhaps you should tell yourself that bans on gay marriage are doomed because our country loves gay marriages and it is pointless to fight against. Honestly, it seems like you are making excuses for not going after the single largest problem of marriage. Instead you create a scapegoat and pretend it has something to do with the destruction of marriage.
if he is talking about marriage being performed in or out of the church, then theres a good chance its being performed in the church. And hes saying that people even outside the church should obey the laws in marriage, for the sake of the people.
Except that it has been pointed out to you by multiple people that marriages were not performed in the church until no earlier than 500 years ago. Again, you are grasping at straws and trying to build straw men with those straws. History does not support what you are trying to claim -- what you have been taught is "traditional marriage" is revisionist history.
because I can find many stastistics that say otherwise.
So please produce these statistics.
Why would i trust an old quote from religioustolerance?
Again, because they didn't create the statistics but are just reporting them -- complete with referencing where the got the statistics from.
The real reason why divorce rate is so high is many professing christians in america and parts of northern europe are still entrenched in modernism and have confused roles between wife and husband.
Again, proof?
Really the only 2 are the US and sweden.
False. You really need to check out divorce statistics.
Many other christian countrys however have very low divorce rate. UK isn't christian considering the huge conversion to atheism there now. And again the reason why is because of our lax views on divorce and the roles of man and woman in marriage.
And yet Germany, France, The Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, etc. seem to have rates similar (though they are a bit lower) to the US and the UK. I will note that Catholic countries do have somewhat lower rates, though that likely has more to do with the Catholic churches position on divorce. Protestant countries divorce rates tend to be in the same general range as the US.
well, we'll see. When the divorce rates continue to rise and more children are born out of wedlock without parents, you'll know where the finger will be pointing. Directly at you.
I won't hold my breath. In fact, the countries that have allowed gay marriage so far seem to have slightly better divorce rates than the countries that surround them.
yes i have provided evidence. Above on the egyptians. You'd be hard pressed to find same sex marriage in early history. And even if you did it would be so extremely rare that it would have no bearing on humanity as a whole.
Sorry, you have provided no evidence. You just said you don't believe what historians are reporting -- burying your head in the sand is not evidence. And making vague statements about how gay marriage will "strain on the dignity and honor of marriage" is not evidence either, nor have you given provided any evidence of how gay marriage actually threatens marriage.
