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Constitutional rights and equal protection (gay marriage related)

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by HappyHealthyHolyRoller, Oct 24, 2008.

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  1. fated

    fated The White Hart

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    If equivalence doesn't exist, then there is no discrimination.

    An objective truth such as one sex, is not equivalent to a self-identification or an activity.
     
  2. SiderealExalt

    SiderealExalt New Member

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    Word soup strikes again!
     
  3. fated

    fated The White Hart

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    I'm here, I'm reasonable, get used to it.

     
  4. SiderealExalt

    SiderealExalt New Member

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    You ARE here. Your capacity to be reasonable however, is highly questionable. And you HAVE been told on numerous occasions that your posts on certain subjects are not only not reasonable, but don't seem to share any meaningful relation to the topic at hand.

    If the shoe fits.
     
  5. fated

    fated The White Hart

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    Mere assertion. In order to proved discrimination one needs to show equality. In this instance, my failure to conclude that unequal relationship demographics (as in groups) are equal makes me somehow unreasonable.

    Suppose I'm working with Holly bushes to improve their qualities by crossing specimens. They come in male and female. Not all are fertile. Should, I then, mix them any which way, or should I only put one male with one female. Obviously I cross only males and females. That is reasonable.

    Asserting the marriages don't require children, then, is still beside the point.
     
  6. SiderealExalt

    SiderealExalt New Member

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    And as I said. Your nonsensical posts have been dismantled in other areas. If you want to rehash old, bad ideas. I'm sure there are plenty of OTHER threads for you to traipse out non-logic.

    Though I'm sure Wolf and others will be along to smash yet another funky post of yours to smithereens.

    For me, I'm sure bored with the nonsense I'll skip out.
     
  7. fated

    fated The White Hart

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    I've already heard those arguments too.

    Some people have children! Still does not establish equivalence.

    Some marriages fail! Only regards people who aren't married.

    And as for what I think of Wolf's objections black people aren't black because of an activity they participate in or simply as a result of claiming that they are black.
     
  8. HappyHealthyHolyRoller

    HappyHealthyHolyRoller New Member

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    Do you actually believe this? I perceive this lie as yet another attack on our humble faith. Truth be told, atheists have the lowest divorce rate only because they can never get married in the first place! Since when do pedophiles, homosexuals, prostitutes and other socially deviant individuals get married?
     
  9. wanderingone

    wanderingone I'm not lost I'm just wandering

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    Knock it off.. where's my troll doll?

    (not to mention you don't understand statistics do you?)
     
  10. fated

    fated The White Hart

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    Why play his game? You realize you aren't even discussing the issue, but something else entirely.
     
  11. fated

    fated The White Hart

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    What do you mean? What percentage of atheist couples get married? How does that compare with Christian couples? You'd need those statistics to conclude that his logical conclusion is wrong.
     
  12. wanderingone

    wanderingone I'm not lost I'm just wandering

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    What activity do you think someone has to conduct in order to be gay?
    and gay people aren't gay just because they "claim" to be any more than you're "straight" just because you "claim" to be.
     
  13. wanderingone

    wanderingone I'm not lost I'm just wandering

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    He said their divorce rates are lower because fewer of them get married. It doesn't matter how many - it matters the percentage that get divorced. His logical conclusion is wrong.....
     
  14. fated

    fated The White Hart

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    What does it mean to be gay then? I've read plenty of literature, and it seems to be a self-identification based on a urge to participate in an activity, or even a desire to want to desire that activity. That's what being gay is. A self-identification. Not everyone who has gay impulses would claim to be gay or needs to be classified as being gay.
     
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    fated The White Hart

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    He points out that if the demographics of "who gets married" within the groups is incongruent, then, it is a study of "apples and oranges."
     
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    SiderealExalt New Member

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    LoL Good luck wandering. I'd say it's like talking to a wall, but it's really not.
     
  17. wanderingone

    wanderingone I'm not lost I'm just wandering

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    What is this activity? :confused:

    How do you identify yourself- based on what you are. Most of our labels are for someone else's benefit. If you're attracted to people of the opposite sex you know it, if you're attracted to people of the same sex you know it... and no.. not everyone who is attracted to people of the same gender is gay.. some of them are bisexual....
     
  18. wanderingone

    wanderingone I'm not lost I'm just wandering

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    Walls don't talk back :)
     
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    fated The White Hart

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    I see, so if someone has homosexual urges, even if they are faithfully married, you can conclude they are gay (they aren't really attracted to their spouse, say). That would be a married gay person.
     
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    Heh. Just try to get him to explain how heterosexuality and homosexuality being two different things has anything to do with equality under the law.
     
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