communion from a former Catholic, now episcopal priest?

[benedictine]

would you take Communion from an episcopal priest who was a former Catholic priest, who fully intended to confect the sacrament as we understand it?

 

[CrusaderKing]

No. I definitely would not. I went to an Episcopal service once, but refused to take communion.

 

[nyj]

No. I won't take Communion outside of the Catholic Church.

Besides, while it's probably a valid Sacrament, it's also probably illicit too.

 

[geocajun]

would you take Communion

Minor point, and not on topic, but we don't 'take' communion, but rather 'receive' it.

from an episcopal priest who was a former Catholic priest, who fully intended to confect the sacrament as we understand it?

No - receiving communion has a two-fold significance. 1. is professing belief in the real presence of Christ. 2. is doctrinal communion with the community in which you receive.

 

[King of the Nations]

would you take Communion from an episcopal priest who was a former Catholic priest, who fully intended to confect the sacrament as we understand it?

Would would you receive (not "take", as Saloman pointed out) communion in a situation like that?

Greg

 

[Brother_Justin]

I would not.



Brother Justin <><

 

[Markh]

absolutely not! That priest needs to be told by you that he needs to return to the Catholic Church for the good of his soul.

 

[BrRichSFO]

would you take Communion from an episcopal priest who was a former Catholic priest, who fully intended to confect the sacrament as we understand it?

No, except in dire circumstances.

 

[Markh]

I even guess that the act of receiving from an apostate would be a grave matter and mortal sin if conditions fulfilled. I am actually pretty sure that attending a non-Catholic service in iteself which claims (incorrectly) to be in communion with Rome is grave matter.

 

[geocajun]

A priest who leaves the catholic church is not an apostate unless he completely repudiates the faith, which is not the case. That would be heresy, not apostacy...

I even guess that the act of receiving from an apostate would be a grave matter and mortal sin if conditions fulfilled. I am actually pretty sure that attending a non-Catholic service in iteself which claims (incorrectly) to be in communion with Rome is grave matter.

 

[pdudgeon]

as a point of reference here, may i ask what this means?

fully intended to confect the sacrament as we understand it

 

[Michelina]

as a point of reference here, may i ask what this means?

This means that the priest, when he says the consecratory words, intends the transformation of the bread and wine into the Body and Blood of Christ. Without that intention (which is almost always habitual), the transformation would not occur.


I'm closing this thread for a brief clean-up.

 

[Michelina]

MOD HAT ON​

I've cleaned this thread of an inappropriate post, posts responding to it and remarks in some posts that respond to said posts.

Now we can continue this discussion in a cool, sober and respectful manner.

MOD HAT OFF​

 

[Tonks]

The answer to the question is "no." While he is still validly ordained, obviously, he might as well be holding a piece of bread, waving his hands over it and saying "presto changeo." The good bishop has removed himself from our communion table. It is wholly incorrect for the bishop to leave and yet say "sure, i'll do it in the way that you believe." Moreover, it is blasphemous.

The Eucharist is the medicine of immortality and, as the Church states, is the source and summit of the Christian life. Trifle with it at your own risk.

In response to Lonnie, not to be uncharitable, but if Church wanted unity to be expressed through communion we would have open "communion" just like the denominationalists do.

 

[Michelina]

The answer to the question is "no." While he is still validly ordained, obviously, he might as well be holding a piece of bread, waving his hands over it and saying "presto changeo."

Unless he places an invalidating intention, the matter and form being the same, the Sacrament would be confected. Nevertheless, a Catholic cannot partake of such a Communion. It is an objectively grave matter to do so.

 

[lonnienord]

yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Michelina]

yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes to what?

 

[lonnienord]

YES to the original question
i would recieve communion from the Episcopalian priest
and i would believe that GOD had honored his prayer and transformed the bread and wine to HIS body and blood.

 

[benedictine]

Lonnienord, may I ask why?

(although I think I already know)

 

[Michelina]

YES to the original question
i would recieve communion from the Episcopalian priest
and i would believe that GOD had honored his prayer and transformed the bread and wine to HIS body and blood.

There are 2 separate questions there:

1) Yes, there very well MIGHT be a valid sacrament there.

2) No, as a Catholic, you are not permitted to receive "Communion" in that circumstance.

You may not like that but you are NOT a Pastor of the Church. (CCC 888 - 892.)