Common ancestor between chimps and humans

[UCDavis]

Shalom everybody,
I was reading on Smithsonian institutes page on human origins and I saw this picture. If you look to the lower right it says " the last common ancestor of humans and chimps. We do not yet have its remains."

 

[UCDavis]

heres the link to the page. http://humanorigins.si.edu/evidence/genetics

 

[Jimmy D]

Welcome to the forum.

Unfortunately fossils are hidden under the ground.

 

[UCDavis]

Thanks Jimmy!

 

[Loudmouth]

Shalom everybody,
I was reading on Smithsonian institutes page on human origins and I saw this picture. If you look to the lower right it says " the last common ancestor of humans and chimps. We do not yet have its remains."

Correct. In addition, it would be impossible to say that any fossil is a direct ancestor of any living organism.

What we do have is mountains of genetic evidence demonstrating that chimps and humans share a common ancestor. With DNA, we can determine if two species have DNA that they inherited from a shared ancestor. As far as determining direct relatedness, DNA is a much better data set. Fossils are just icing on the cake.

 

[UCDavis]

Humans have 23 pairs pairs of chromosomes. Apes have 24! Are u saying we share a common ancestor with tobacco also, since the tobacco plant has 24 chromosomes also? Lol

 

[Loudmouth]

Humans have 23 pairs pairs of chromosomes. Apes have 24! Are u saying we share a common ancestor with tobacco also, since the tobacco plant has 24 chromosomes also? Lol

Common ancestry isn't determined by number of chromosomes. It is determined by sequence comparison of shared DNA.

 

[UCDavis]

Which common ancestor are u talking about? Did u get to read the link to the smithsonian institute?

 

[crjmurray]

Humans have 23 pairs pairs of chromosomes. Apes have 24! Are u saying we share a common ancestor with tobacco also, since the tobacco plant has 24 chromosomes also? Lol

Oh my...

 

[UCDavis]

Correct. In addition, it would be impossible to say that any fossil is a direct ancestor of any living organism.

What we do have is mountains of genetic evidence demonstrating that chimps and humans share a common ancestor. With DNA, we can determine if two species have DNA that they inherited from a shared ancestor. As far as determining direct relatedness, DNA is a much better data set. Fossils are just icing on the cake.

Whats the name of the fossil for icing?
"We do not yet have its remains." -Smithsonian institute

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Whats the name of the fossil for icing?
"We do not yet have its remains." -Smithsonian institute

What do you think that quote from the Smithsonian means? And what is the consequence of that statement?

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

Humans have 23 pairs pairs of chromosomes. Apes have 24! Are u saying we share a common ancestor with tobacco also, since the tobacco plant has 24 chromosomes also? Lol

Human Chromosome #2 says hello
http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2_(human)

 

[UCDavis]

What do you think that quote from the Smithsonian means? And what is the consequence of that statement?

Something that never existed will never be found.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

Something that never existed will never be found.

Fossilization is extremely rare, yet we still have a ginormous fossil record. We even have the fish to amphibian transitional. It's called Tiktaalik. http://tiktaalik.uchicago.edu/meetTik.html

Oh we also have a huge hominid fossil collection.

 

[UCDavis]

Human Chromosome #2 says hello
http://www.evolutionpages.com/chromosome_2.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chromosome_2_(human)

No real evidence. Just ambiguous data..

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

No real evidence. Just ambiguous data..

You're wrong but just out of curiosity, what would you consider evidence?

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Something that never existed will never be found.

Sorry, I thought we were talking about the common ancestor between humans and chimps, not God.

 

[UCDavis]

You're wrong but just out of curiosity, what would you consider evidence?

Second degree of thermodynamics.

 

[JonFromMinnesota]

Second degree of thermodynamics.

You mean the second law of thermodynamics? This argument against evolution has been demolished over and over again.
https://biologos.org/common-questions/scientific-evidence/evolution-and-the-second-law

Care to try again?

 

[Loudmouth]

Which common ancestor are u talking about? Did u get to read the link to the smithsonian institute?

We are talking about the common ancestor of chimps and humans, the one evidenced by the genetics.