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Yea and the same things they claimed were causing Global Cooling (like refrigerants) are the same things they claim caused Global Warming or now just the new generic term "Climate Change" !!! (That way "they think" they can never be proved wrong, only took them over 40 years to figure that one out)...
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Feel free to cite a single example of someone claiming that greenhouse gasses cause/caused "Global Cooling".

We used to have a lot of Climate Changers over at my home forum and they all got embarrassed and left, now I know where they ended up...

That's nice. We still have some folks here who think that because it's cold, in upstate New York, in February, that global warming is a hoax. I'm sure you'll fit in well with them.
 
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Feel free to cite a single example of someone claiming that greenhouse gasses cause/caused "Global Cooling".

Isn't water considered to be a Greenhouse Gas? And doesn't it have a cooling effect when it evaporates?

You must not know that refrigerants can be made up of CO2, Sulfurs, Nitrates and Ammonia all considered to contribute to the cooling effect. Before the 40s must of the refrigerants available were made up of these compounds and are coming back en vogue today because of their cooling effect. But they are also used in the manufacturing of newer refrigerants (post 1940s) that are considered to be causing the warming effect...

BTA they now say global warming contributes to global cooling so...... Oh wait lets just call it Climate Change...
 
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That's nice. We still have some folks here who think that because it's cold, in upstate New York, in February, that global warming is a hoax. I'm sure you'll fit in well with them.

Actually it's been 10-30 degrees warmer than normal (normal being 40 degrees) where I live the last 10 days or so, makes it nice to work out on roofs or go fishing...

BTA this isn't unusual it's all happened before prior record highs for this time of the year were in the high/upper 60s before this week. Some of those were set in the 1900s, 1930s and some were set in the 1990s or at least that is what the weather man claimed. Tomorrow is going to be the last nice day for awhile with the projected high being 58 then it's into the ice box, oh well it couldn't last forever Mother Nature has her moods you know...
 
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People just don't realize how long this crap has been going on...
CRU Temperature Fraud

Posted on December 14, 2015 by stevengoddard
The CRU temperature record run by Phil Jones is fraudulent. The case for this is shown clearly below.

In 1922, the US Consul reported a “radical change of climatic conditions in the Arctic” with “unheard of high temperatures.” “Many old landmarks are so changed as to be unrecognizable.” “Glaciers have … entirely disappeared

2015-12-13-18-35-00.png


docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-11-0589a.pdf

In 1923, the glaciers of Glacier National Park in Montana were rapidly disappearing and predicted to be gone by 1950.

Medford_Mail_Tribune_Sat__Dec_29__1923_.jpg


29 Dec 1923, Page 5 – at Newspapers.com

By 1939, all of the glaciers in Eastern Greenland were nearing “catastrophic collapse.

2015-12-14-03-46-06.png


17 Dec 1939, Page 15 – at Newspapers.com


By 1940, the Arctic had warmed six degrees, and sea ice had dramatically declined in thickness.

2015-12-14-03-29-47-1.png


23 Feb 1940 – Townsville Daily Bulletin – p7

2015-12-14-03-37-09.png


Papers Past — Auckland Star — 14 December 1940 — WARMER ARCTIC

By 1947, a ten degree rise in Arctic temperature was reported, and scientists were worried about sea level rise drowning seaports.

2015-12-13-05-13-11.png


31 May 1947 – TEMPERATURES RISING IN ARCTIC REGION LOS ANGELES…

By 1952, the glaciers of both Norway and Alaska had lost half their mass. This tells us that the warming was universal across the Arctic.

2015-12-13-05-24-22.png


18 Feb 1952 – POLAR ICE THAW INCREASING GLACIERS SAID TO [?] M…

The glaciers of Glacier National Park in Montana were still rapidly disappearing.

2015-12-14-04-09-07.png


5 Sep 1952, Page 33 – at Newspapers.com

Glaciers in the Alps disappeared during the first half of the century.



National Geographic : 1976 Nov, Page 594

However, a dramatic turnaround occurred, and by 1961 there was unanimous consensus for global cooling.

2015-12-14-03-59-43.png


SCIENTISTS AGREE WORLD IS COLDER – – NYTimes.com

By 1955, the glaciers of the Pacific Northwest were advancing – “for the first time in about one hundred years.”



TimesMachine: October 16, 1955 – NYTimes.com

By 1970, the US and Soviet Union were trying to figure out why the Arctic ice was becoming “frigid” and Arctic sea ice was becoming “ominously thicker.”

2015-12-14-04-25-22.png


TimesMachine: July 18, 1970 – NYTimes.com

In 1976, scientists blamed “freakish weather” on global cooling, and the CIA said global cooling “will become the central issue of every government.”

2015-12-14-04-39-27.png


16 Jul 1976, Page 4 – at Newspapers.com

In 1976, all of the glaciers in northern Norway were expanding. The climate had cooled dramatically.

2015-12-14-03-52-31.png


23 May 1976, Page 56 – at Newspapers.com

In 1979, the global cooling since WWII was “indisputable.” NOAAreported 0.5C global cooling”

2015-12-14-04-30-48.png


Lawrence Journal-World – Google News Archive Search

In 1975, the National Academy of Sciences generated a graph of Northern Hemisphere land surface temperatures which accurately showed the warmth before 1940, followed by half a degree cooling. This graph made sense based on the behavior of the ice across the Northern Hemisphere and Arctic.

2015-12-14-03-10-56.png


Here is where the problem comes in. The current CRU graph for Northern Hemisphere land surfaces makes no sense. It shows glaciers melting rapidly during a very cold period, and glaciers growing during a warmer period. The sharp cooling after 1940 has been nearly erased.

The CRU temperatures are nonsense.

2015-12-14-03-10-38.png


HadCRUT4.png (630×728)

The next graph shows how CRU generated their fraudulent graph. They cooled pre-1960 temperatures by about half a degree.

2015-12-14-05-00-15.png


The CRU fraud is much worse than that, however. Not only did they dramatically cool pre-1960 temperatures, but they dramatically warmed post-1980 temperatures relative to satellite Northern Hemisphere land temperatures (UAH V6) – to create a completely fake hockey stick of warming.

2015-12-14-05-03-58.png


The 1975 National Academy of Sciences data, combined with the recent satellite data, shows us that there has been little net warming since the 1930’s. The hockey stick is a total fabrication by government scientists. Climategate E-mails confirm that this manipulation of data was the scientists’ intent, and that they intended to cover up their activities..

From: Tom Wigley <wigley@ucar.edu>
To: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
Subject: 1940s
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:25:38 -0600
Cc: Ben Santer <santer1@llnl.gov>

It would be good to remove at least part of the 1940s blip, but we are still left with “why the blip”.

di2.nu/foia/1254108338.txt

Mike,
Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise
… Can you also email Gene [Wahl] and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new email address. We will be getting Caspar [Ammann] to do likewise.
Cheers, Phil

junksciencearchive.com/FOIA/mail/1212063122.txt

Evidence is overwhelming that global warming/climate change is the biggest fraud in history.

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funny. Clear evidence of warming gets denied (after being used as evidence [wha??]). The introduction of air conditioning and refrigeration and the cfcs into the atmosphere caused a cool down. The warming trend continues and then the post STILL ENDS with a "biggest hoax in history" (TM) tag.

I can break down all you posted here so that it makes sense if you like?
 
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Isn't water considered to be a Greenhouse Gas? And doesn't it have a cooling effect when it evaporates?
water is a liquid but water vapour is a gg, yes.
wait wait wait.... I misunderstood, sorry. If this supposed to be your explanation as to the "Science" behind "global cooling"? Because.......
No.



You must not know that refrigerants can be made up of CO2, Sulfurs, Nitrates and Ammonia all considered to contribute to the cooling effect.
1) CO2 is ONLY a high pressure regfridgerant. That means, NOT in the atmosphere.
2) Ammonia is only NOW getting used because so many of the flourocarbons that were being used throughout the 1940s+ have been outlawed.
3)"Sulfurs" is broad. It's sulfur dioxide.
4) Nitrates need to be added to water.

This whole list is kind of irrelevant though when you compare how much of these things are released compared to how much methane and CO2 (at low pressure) is released.

...they now say global warming contributes to global cooling so...... Oh wait lets just call it Climate Change...
..."they" do? Who is they?
 
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CRU Temperature Fraud

Posted on December 14, 2015 by stevengoddard
The CRU temperature record run by Phil Jones is fraudulent. The case for this is shown clearly below.

In 1922, the US Consul reported a “radical change of climatic conditions in the Arctic” with “unheard of high temperatures.” “Many old landmarks are so changed as to be unrecognizable.” “Glaciers have … entirely disappeared

2015-12-13-18-35-00.png


docs.lib.noaa.gov/rescue/mwr/050/mwr-050-11-0589a.pdf

In 1923, the glaciers of Glacier National Park in Montana were rapidly disappearing and predicted to be gone by 1950.

Medford_Mail_Tribune_Sat__Dec_29__1923_.jpg


29 Dec 1923, Page 5 – at Newspapers.com

By 1939, all of the glaciers in Eastern Greenland were nearing “catastrophic collapse.

2015-12-14-03-46-06.png


17 Dec 1939, Page 15 – at Newspapers.com


By 1940, the Arctic had warmed six degrees, and sea ice had dramatically declined in thickness.

2015-12-14-03-29-47-1.png


23 Feb 1940 – Townsville Daily Bulletin – p7

2015-12-14-03-37-09.png


Papers Past — Auckland Star — 14 December 1940 — WARMER ARCTIC

By 1947, a ten degree rise in Arctic temperature was reported, and scientists were worried about sea level rise drowning seaports.

2015-12-13-05-13-11.png


31 May 1947 – TEMPERATURES RISING IN ARCTIC REGION LOS ANGELES…

By 1952, the glaciers of both Norway and Alaska had lost half their mass. This tells us that the warming was universal across the Arctic.

2015-12-13-05-24-22.png


18 Feb 1952 – POLAR ICE THAW INCREASING GLACIERS SAID TO [?] M…

The glaciers of Glacier National Park in Montana were still rapidly disappearing.

2015-12-14-04-09-07.png


5 Sep 1952, Page 33 – at Newspapers.com

Glaciers in the Alps disappeared during the first half of the century.



National Geographic : 1976 Nov, Page 594
Up until this point, your provide FANTASTIC evidence for global warming. Thank you. Here is where you go belly up.
However, a dramatic turnaround occurred, and by 1961 there was unanimous consensus for global cooling.

2015-12-14-03-59-43.png


SCIENTISTS AGREE WORLD IS COLDER – – NYTimes.com

By 1955, the glaciers of the Pacific Northwest were advancing – “for the first time in about one hundred years.”



TimesMachine: October 16, 1955 – NYTimes.com

By 1970, the US and Soviet Union were trying to figure out why the Arctic ice was becoming “frigid” and Arctic sea ice was becoming “ominously thicker.”

2015-12-14-04-25-22.png


TimesMachine: July 18, 1970 – NYTimes.com

In 1976, scientists blamed “freakish weather” on global cooling, and the CIA said global cooling “will become the central issue of every government.”

2015-12-14-04-39-27.png


16 Jul 1976, Page 4 – at Newspapers.com

In 1976, all of the glaciers in northern Norway were expanding. The climate had cooled dramatically.

2015-12-14-03-52-31.png


23 May 1976, Page 56 – at Newspapers.com

In 1979, the global cooling since WWII was “indisputable.” NOAAreported 0.5C global cooling”

2015-12-14-04-30-48.png


Lawrence Journal-World – Google News Archive Search
Ok. So, it sounds like things are getting cooler.
In 1975, the National Academy of Sciences generated a graph of Northern Hemisphere land surface temperatures which accurately showed the warmth before 1940, followed by half a degree cooling. This graph made sense based on the behavior of the ice across the Northern Hemisphere and Arctic.

2015-12-14-03-10-56.png


Here is where the problem comes in. The current CRU graph for Northern Hemisphere land surfaces makes no sense. It shows glaciers melting rapidly during a very cold period, and glaciers growing during a warmer period. The sharp cooling after 1940 has been nearly erased.

The CRU temperatures are nonsense.

2015-12-14-03-10-38.png


HadCRUT4.png (630×728)
I hate to be the bearer of news but you see how they have that 0.0C on the right side of the graph. That 0.0 represents an "running mean temperature" that the graph compares its own numbers to. Neither graph indicates what data set (what years) were utilized in establishing the running mean temperature. So first off, I would ask, where is your proof that they are dealing with the same running mean temperature? Also, I would ask if you recongize why that is important?

The next graph shows how CRU generated their fraudulent graph. They cooled pre-1960 temperatures by about half a degree.

2015-12-14-05-00-15.png
Oh! Okay! What I see as an scientific based explanation which you have not discredited, you see as scientists using their moustache twirling, nefarious scare tactics. Isn't it funny how the data sets mirror each other so totally exactly.

I find it funny how nonscientists just think "I bet scientists just too 40 years of data and moved everything down .5C...teehee." And then those same people feel like scientists when other pseudo scientists selectively misinform them.
The CRU fraud is much worse than that, however. Not only did they dramatically cool pre-1960 temperatures, but they dramatically warmed post-1980 temperatures relative to satellite Northern Hemisphere land temperatures (UAH V6) – to create a completely fake hockey stick of warming.

2015-12-14-05-03-58.png
This graph looks like a plate of spaghetti with no real explanation of axes. But, I do think it's hilarious that "climategate" happened in 2009 and they are using data sets from 2015 to explain how the lies took place. What a bunch of hokum.

The 1975 National Academy of Sciences data, combined with the recent satellite data, shows us that there has been little net warming since the 1930’s.
So a data set from 40 years ago indicates there's been no warming in the last 80 years? Over HALF of that time? Do you understand how ludicrous that claim is, even as just a supposition? And satellite data that has clearly shown significant warming has, in fact, NOT shown warming?
I feel no compulsion to get data sets that prove this because a google image search for "global temperature since 1970" will get you the data that you've ignored this long.

The hockey stick is a total fabrication by government scientists. Climategate E-mails confirm that this manipulation of data was the scientists’ intent, and that they intended to cover up their activities..

From: Tom Wigley <wigley@ucar.edu>
To: Phil Jones <p.jones@uea.ac.uk>
Subject: 1940s
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 2009 23:25:38 -0600
Cc: Ben Santer <santer1@llnl.gov>

It would be good to remove at least part of the 1940s blip, but we are still left with “why the blip”.

di2.nu/foia/1254108338.txt

Mike,
Can you delete any emails you may have had with Keith re AR4? Keith will do likewise
… Can you also email Gene [Wahl] and get him to do the same? I don’t have his new email address. We will be getting Caspar [Ammann] to do likewise.
Cheers, Phil


Evidence is overwhelming that global warming/climate change is the biggest fraud in history.
I think it's pretty cool that scientists had the ability to travel back in time to send emails about future data sets.
junksciencearchive.com/FOIA/mail/1212063122.txt
Speaking of junk science....
 
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Swing and a miss. Good guess, but it's actually a "predicted global cooling didn't happen, therefore predicted global warming isn't happening".

Nothing new, and nothing based on actual scientific information.
 
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2) Ammonia is only NOW getting used because so many of the flourocarbons that were being used throughout the 1940s+ have been outlawed.

"Chlorofluorocarbons"...

I clearly remember learning about Ammonia refrigerants in one of my Blocks during the Technical School I attended for 18 weeks in 1979/80 for the Refrigeration and Air Conditioning Career Field. And I also clearly remember ice skating on rinks that were made possible by the usage of Ammonia systems and also learned how to maintain those systems... You know I've been on a few benders in my day and have forgotten certain things or imagined them, but to be told that something(s) I experienced when totally sober was a figment of my imagination well that's annoying to say the least...

Ammonia systems have been in usage since the middle 1800s, don't remember for sure who or where they were designed but know they were used almost exclusively for the manufacture of ice. You know like the old iceboxes that used a big 50lb or so block of ice in it, before compression systems came into being...
 
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2) Ammonia is only NOW getting used because so many of the flourocarbons that were being used throughout the 1940s+ have been outlawed.

Actually they are still in usage in this country in certain circumstances (you have to proof leakage is below a certain level) and is also still being manufactured in limited quantities. Last time I bought a 30lb drum of R12 (about 10 years ago) it was right around $30 per pound. Now I wouldn't be afraid to say it's in the $50 or more per pound range but is still available, think I still have about 20lbs or so left in that drum in my garage...

Heck I worked on an old system here about a month ago that was manufactured in 1956 according to it's data plate and listed the refrigerant in it as "Carrene 7". Hadn't heard that term in years so had to look it up turns out it is another name for R500 refrigerant. Something else I hadn't seen in years in fact only remember ever seeing 1 cylinder of that refrigerant and IIRC it was in England, R500 was used mainly in 50 cycle powered machines made by Carrier. Needless to say I was very surprised to see it used in a 60 cycle machine in the US, the thing needs to be put in a museum somewhere...
 
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Aren't those used to chop firewood???

Doesn't burning firewood contribute to Climate Change???
plural of "axis".
Anything to say about the science I'd addressed?
Yeah, the geology of the earth (ie...the middle of an ice age that covered most of north america) doesn't really suggest to me that our current context is necessarily relevant to that time.
 
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Did Obama really say that this climate deal will help fight ISIS?
Bit absurd, but it might fight Isis mark 10, in 50 years time though. The idea being that climate instability destabilises regions, countries leading to a breeding ground for terrorists.
 
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Bit absurd, but it might fight Isis mark 10, in 50 years time though. The idea being that climate instability destabilises regions, countries leading to a breeding ground for terrorists.

It seems that the only thing "climate instability" (a natural process) does is give about 150 politicians all over the globe a chance to impose a new guilt tax on their citizens. Let's hope that money gets used for something that's actually useful--which doesn't include producing propaganda to make people ask for that tax to increase.
 
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