Canada next totalitarian state?

[civilwarbuff]

Ottawa mayor declares state of emergency as police threaten arrests for bringing gas to Freedom Convoy
"Anyone attempting to bring material supports (gas, etc.) to the demonstrators could be subject to arrest. Enforcement is underway," the police announced in a tweet emblazoned with "IMPORTANT."
Ottawa Police Chief Peter Sloly raised eyebrows last week when he suggested the possibility of calling up the Canadian military to quell the ongoing demonstrations. Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau later walked back the police chief's statement, saying such a plan was "not in the cards in right now."

Any Canadian brethren here that might care to comment or have additional info?

 

[timothyu]

Totalitarian only until leaders who follow the build back better agenda of the WEF are turfed.

 

[Bramblewild]

Support the truckers.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

We must realise that according to the Scriptures, all Civil authority, whether it be good, bad or ugly is instituted by God. Resisting that authority through demonstration and civil disobedience is actually going against God Himself. Therefore the police and military who uphold and enforce the civil authority are, according to Scripture, God's ministers, and they are not armed with their weapons in vain.

But the Scripture also says that those in authority have to give an account to God in how they exercise it. If the authority is tyrannical and does things not in the interests of peace and safety for those under its authority, then they have to stand up before the Lord in the Judgment one day. Also, according to Isaiah's prophecy, tyrants who resist God in the way they exercise authority over the people will be cut off suddenly, at the time when they think they are perfectly safe and prosperous. It is when they are at the top of their game that suddenly they will come crashing down through the providence of God and their demise will be so complete that they will be forgotten.

 

[timothyu]

It is when they are at the top of their game that suddenly they will come crashing down through the providence of God and their demise will be so complete that they will be forgotten.

We see glimpses of that lately as a few so called mighty have fallen especially to sex scandals and the like, but who are simply expendable sacrifices to the greater cause of the build back better movement.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

We see glimpses of that lately as a few so called mighty have fallen especially to sex scandals and the like, but who are simply expendable sacrifices to the greater cause of the build back better movement.

One of the things we need to learn is that nothing in history or current events happen by chance. It all happens through the providence of God. Often God will allow a totalitarian regime to be installed to separate the true Christians from the hypocrites. The Christians in the Soviet Union were much stronger in their faith and dependence on God than many in the West. Stalin was an evil dictator, but his time came and died a horrible and painful death, and is now waiting for the day of Judgment when he will be discredited and put to shame before all the angels in heaven. The whole Soviet Union came to a sudden end when the Berlin Wall came down. No one expected it to happen when it did. In contrast, Queen Elizabeth II, who has shown her commitment to Christ, is approaching the 70th year of her reign, and has been entirely respected all over the world. Queen (bloody) Mary the mother of Elizabeth I had a much shorter reign, and died prematurely in her 40s. God cut her off before her time because of her evil deeds and the innocent people she had put to death.

There were many Christians who prayed for Donald Trump to have a second term in office, but God's providence overruled, and now the man is nowhere. Maybe God saw things about him that were hidden from us.

We don't really have much control over who is elected to have power over us. We don't choose the candidates who stand for election. They are chosen by their political parties. Most candidates have to be fairly wealthy to be able to stand for election to office. This is why most government favour the rich over the poor in our societies. But the Scripture says that promotion doesn't come from the east or the west. God sets up one and puts down another. So God put down Trump and set up Biden, for reasons known only to Himself. We may not agree with the type of government in power in Canada or New Zealand, but as Christian believers, we have a responsibility to be loyal to it, in so far as it does not compel us to deny Christ in some way. This is consistent with Jesus telling us to render to Caesar what is Caesar's and render to God what is God's.

If "Caesar" gives us a mask mandate and requires people to be vaxxed to limit the spread of Omicron. Then we are obeying God by complying, because neither of these involves being disobedient to Christ's commandments.

 

[timothyu]

If "Caesar" gives us a mask mandate and requires people to be vaxxed to limit the spread of Omicron.

God said not to rebel, but we can still question. It is being questioned that the elite hate (even Fauci). BTW masks were ok for the spread of droplets like with the previous variants, but Omicron is aerosol and similar to breathing smoke so masks are of little use.

 

[expos4ever]

Any Canadian brethren here that might care to comment or have additional info?

Yes, your post title absurd in the extreme. Ensuring the rule of law is obeyed and that a city is not held hostage to an extended occupation does not constitute totalitarianism.

 

[expos4ever]

University of Ottawa criminology professor Michael Kempa says police should use the tools they have to prevent transport trucks and tractors from flowing into the city, occupying space and preventing residents from going about their lives. He likened that type of protest to 'extortion' rather than the 'expression of ideas.'

 

[Albion]

Yes, your post title absurd in the extreme. Ensuring the rule of law is obeyed and that a city is not held hostage to an extended occupation does not constitute totalitarianism.

There is always a rationalization that's offered by the governing powers when they abuse their authority.

The extermination camps operated by various governments in recent decades, for example, were justified by the government on account of alleged wrongs committed as a group by Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, and others. Or there's the farce of having a Constitution that guarantees individual rights but suspending it with the claim that some people have been known to use their freedom irresponsibly.

 

[RDKirk]

Well, this thread went Godwin in ten posts.

 

[Albion]

Well, this thread went Godwin in ten posts.

I don't think so, The idea that Canada may be showing an inclination towards totalitarianism is not a proposition that is easily answered. And to be fair, the OP was only asking for comments on the report that came from somewhere else.

HOWEVER, when this kind of a discussion starts, it is worth understanding, at the start, that a government which oversteps its authority can always find some excuse or rationalization for what it is doing when removing the liberties of the people. It is not, therefore, as some people think, a nearly impossible task for a power-hungry government to transform itself in the face of all the laws on the books that are meant to bolster and guarantee freedom.

 

[Hazelelponi]

If find it generally humorous how no one refers to people like Martin Luther King Jr as an evil sinner who fought against what God Himself allowed in governance, but people such as these truckers who likewise are peacefully protesting government policy that sidelines one group of people and that without scientific basis, are condemned.

It shows people's biases.

We don't live under kings where there's only the happenstance of one's birth as the determining factor over who rules and who is peasant.. it's a whole new day where we do have a voice in our own governance and when our interests aren't being represented by law we have recourses in which to air our grievances.

Peaceful protest is just one of those means in which to have our voices and grievances heard.

 

[Albion]

If find it generally humorous how no one refers to people like Martin Luther King Jr an evil sinner who fought against what God Himself allowed in governance, but people such as these truckers who likewise are peacefully protesting government policy that sidelines one group of people and that without scientific basis, are condemned.

It shows people's biases.

Sure. Burning and looting Portland and Seattle was "mainly peaceful," but parking a truck in the wrong place has to be put down sternly because civilization itself is in peril.

 

[expos4ever]

Peaceful protest is just one of those means in which to have our voices heard.

This is not a protest now, it is more of an occupation.

As to its being "peaceful", from the Ottawa Citizen:

Ottawa lawyers Paul Champ and Emilie Taman filed the statement of claim Friday, arguing that for the 6,000 residents in the immediate vicinity of the protest “the non-stop blaring horns have caused unbearable torment in the sanctity of their own homes.” The lawyers also asked for an injunction to stop the horn use.

 

[Albion]

This is not a protest now, it is more of an occupation.

Yeah, but this is "mainly peaceful," so the occupation part doesn't matter.

 

[timothyu]

Sure. Burning and looting Portland and Seattle was "mainly peaceful," but parking a truck in the wrong place has to be put down sternly because civilization itself is in peril.

Yes we are seeing more of the attitude that in a democracy it is uncool to question authourity or present an opposing view, so maybe not totalitarianism, but more an era of oxymoron.

 

[timothyu]

As to its being "peaceful", from the Ottawa Citizen:

Yes, the mainstream media has indeed become an undeniable source of truth.

 

[expos4ever]

Yes, the mainstream media has indeed become an undeniable source of truth.

I lived there for 20 years. I have friends there who are reporting to me directly.

The honking of horns is a fact.

 

[expos4ever]

Yes we are seeing more of the attitude that in a democracy it is uncool to question authourity or present an opposing view, so maybe not totalitarianism, but more an era of oxymoron.

This is simply a claim with no supporting information. Can you please be specific about how the expression of an opposing view is being in any suppressed.