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Burning the Koran bad?

Discussion in 'Christian Current Affairs' started by dad, Feb 27, 2012.

  1. dad

    dad Undefeated

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    No. I pointed out that you have no proof for any claim on how many books were burned, and that you seem to willfully ignore the demons beating up people as part of the story. Why is that? Since you have refused to honestly admit to us all here whether you even actually believe in real living demons, you stand exposed and utterly sidelined.
     
  2. Blessedj01

    Blessedj01 Guest

    You're stuck in a frozen island somewhere, with nothing else but a fire source, a Bible and a Koran.

    You have to burn one to start a fire if you want to survive. Which do you choose? One? Both? None?
     
  3. ebia

    ebia Senior Contributor

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    Nice try at trying to imply I'm dishonest for declining follow your red herring.

    (wondering what your next attempt at manipulation will be)
     
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  4. Catherineanne

    Catherineanne Writer of pictures.

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    First you show me where I said what you claim I said; ie that I know; 'how many and how expensive the books were', then I will bring my 'witness'.

    If you cannot show me where I said that, then you are sailing far too close to comfort to bearing false witness. Good luck with that.
     
  5. Catherineanne

    Catherineanne Writer of pictures.

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    This is simply not the case. Historians do have a grasp on the extremely high cost of producing anything that would be termed a book in the first century. Books were very rare indeed, and extremely expensive.

    There were cheaper and more modest productions, but they would not have been called books. They would have been tablets, or letters. And between the two were scrolls, which could range from the relatively modest to the very elaborate and expensive. But even the cost of a relatively modest scroll would be totally beyond the means of the average person. The written word in book or scroll form was the province only of the very rich; those with both the means to buy them, and the ability to read and appreciate them.

    Even letters were not treated as we would treat them today; as something to read and throw away. As the gospels show us very clearly, letters were kept, read over and over, read aloud to other people, and sometimes even copied and widely circulated.

    The written word was not regarded as casually disposable. Therefore, any act of destroying books can be seen as highly unusual, and very noteworthy. Burning books was very much the same thing as destroying great and irreplaceable wealth.
     
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  6. Catherineanne

    Catherineanne Writer of pictures.

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    Both. And why not? Fire does not desecrate in Christianity; that which is burned is an offering to God.

    However, if the books happened to be the Cuthbert Bible and a manuscript 10th century Koran, I would not burn them.
     
  7. Blessedj01

    Blessedj01 Guest

    Yeah, but let's just say you were pretty certainly going to die. Do you think you'd want to be able to read your Bible? Or do you think it's be more important to just prolong your survival? Just wondering. Don't think this is a trick question or anything. :p

    Why's that? :p
     
  8. Catherineanne

    Catherineanne Writer of pictures.

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    I am pretty certainly going to die anyway; it is just a matter of time. A few days or years more or less hardly matters, really, but for the sake of survival I would have no problem setting fire to a Bible. The bits of Scripture that matter are written on our hearts, not on paper.

    See if you can work it out for yourself. And in the meantime, watch out for the wind changing, won't you?
     
  9. dad

    dad Undefeated

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    A Koran.
     
  10. dad

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    So if the Koran was valuable (older) you would give your life for it. Interesting. I suspected that your focus on the money bag part of the early church happy fire had depth.
     
  11. dad

    dad Undefeated

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    Answer the relevant question. Do you truly believe in real demons or not? Don't be afraid, just honestly answer.
     
  12. dad

    dad Undefeated

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    Oh...source? And what would the believers have called a book for the purposes of the burning ceremony?
    Prove it...in the case of the early believers! Speculation.
    Read the Greek. Here is what book means..


    1. [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva][/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Geneva]
      [*] a small book, a scroll, a written document
      [*] a sheet on which something has been written
      1. a bill of divorcement
      [/FONT]

    New Testament Greek - StudyLight.org

    Hey, if I write a note divorcing you, I guess it's a book!?

    Not for little guild notes and booklets or whatnots I suspect.
    Source?? Proof?

    Heck, if you had been beaten up by demons, you might want to burn whatever materials you could lay hands on too. Stop getting hung up in some modern lofty definition of books.

    I would like to burn some too. I hear they have a new day they call something like 'world book day'! :)

    Origin of the species might make a good kindling.
     
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    Jacob069190 Newbie

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    You're thinking from a logical point of view, there have been many points in history, ancient times and current, where those with power find certain documents or books may be a danger to their rule and didn't hesitate to destroy them.
     
  14. dad

    dad Undefeated

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    Heck it can be fun also.
     
  15. Jacob069190

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    Who doesn't enjoy playing with fire?
     
  16. dad

    dad Undefeated

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    Well, not the early church...they burned books and set the world on fire.