boy get arrested that kill two men

[The One Reborn]

Daily caller has a good article. One of their reporters was a couple hundred feet away when the first guy was shot. Seems someone fired off a round or two and the kid was blamed even though it wasn't him. If I remember correctly the pedo guy tried taking the kids rifle and then we all know the rest.

You claimed the first victim threw a molotov which is not correct.

It was a plastic bag which seems to contain groceries.

 

[Arc F1]

You claimed the first victim threw a molotov which is not correct.

It was a plastic bag which seems to contain groceries.

That's what was reported. I wasn't there.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

He didn't bring the rifle with him, so he never crossed state lines with it. He was hired to protect a business, that was his purpose for being there. The night before riots and looting had been off the hook, so businesses took it upon themselves to protect their property.

Pulease, who hires a seventeen year old to provide security for their business ?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Really, you can't think of any other possible reason? Like driving 30 minutes from where he lives to help guard an uncles or brothers business or something like that?

Doesn't matter HIS reason. The law in that state prohibit people from other states coming into their state and using firearms against people.

The video shows him walking down the street with the weapon, why wasn't he at the business that he was supposedly guarding ?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

well there is your story as to why he was in Kenosha. He works there.
Kyle Rittenhouse Was Working as a Lifeguard in Kenosha the Day of the Shooting, Went to Clean Vandalism at School After Work

OK, I accept that he didn't cross the state line with the weapon

But what was he doing guarding the school ? That wasn't his job and he's only 17 years of age.

I see him as a vigilante more than anything else.

 

[section9+1]

If the police cannot protect people and the judicial system has become a joke then all that's left are militias and vigilantes. If they are the last option then more power to them!

 

[ZNP]

Pulease, who hires a seventeen year old to provide security for their business ?

Hmmm, I guess in hindsight not such a great idea. (someone posted that it might be his uncle, that is surely not going to appreciated at future family gatherings).

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Hmmm, I guess in hindsight not such a great idea. (someone posted that it might be his uncle, that is surely not going to appreciated at future family gatherings).

Either way, he wasn't in front of the business as he was walking down the street with his AR-15

 

[ZNP]

Either way, he wasn't in front of the business as he was walking down the street with his AR-15

I have seen a number of different videos but to me it is still very much up in the air what actually happened to get him to make that first shot.

 

[NotreDame]

He went to the protest in another state and should not have been there carrying a gun.

He only had to defend himself because he placed himself in harms way and there were those who tried to stop him.

Going to the protest didn't help the cops, but made their job more difficult

He only had to defend himself because he placed himself in harms way and there were those who tried to stop him.

Did he? And what information supports this notion?

The information I’m reading doesn’t support what you’ve said. That same information presents a viable self-defense claim.

Link to the complaint and document by the detective. Rittenhouse (2020KN003907) Complaint

 

[NotreDame]

Doesn't matter HIS reason. The law in that state prohibit people from other states coming into their state and using firearms against people.

What law do you have in mind here?

 

[NotreDame]

OK, I accept that he didn't cross the state line with the weapon

But what was he doing guarding the school ? That wasn't his job and he's only 17 years of age.

I see him as a vigilante more than anything else.

Yeah, maybe, but he’s still allowed under the law to defend himself, regardless of your perceptions of him.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Yeah, maybe, but he’s still allowed under the law to defend himself, regardless of your perceptions of him.

Going into a riot zone with an AR-15 is not defending yourself, but looking for trouble. He was making life more difficult for the cops, not helping them. He would've served the cops better by staying home.

 

[fewme]

Who is US teen accused of Wisconsin protest murders?

Oh BBC, why did you do that to English?

 

[fewme]

Pulease, who hires a seventeen year old to provide security for their business ?

Many nations, in their army. Any nation if it gets hot enough

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Many nations, in their army. Any nation if it gets hot enough

We're not talking about a 3rd world country.

Here in the US, a parent must sign for a 17 to enlist and this is during war.

Today, they don't allow 17 year olds to enlist, especially if they don't have a high-school diploma

 

[ZNP]

Many nations, in their army. Any nation if it gets hot enough

Not Sudan, if you are still alive by 17 your are probably a general by then.

 

[fewme]

We're not talking about a 3rd world country.

Here in the US, a parent must sign for a 17 to enlist and this is during war.

Today, they don't allow 17 year olds to enlist, especially if they don't have a high-school diploma

It's 16 in the UK. 18 in Spain, parental consent or not.

But anyway if the situation would get hot enough.... but that's very unlikely for the American military might

 

[NotreDame]

Going into a riot zone with an AR-15 is not defending yourself, but looking for trouble. He was making life more difficult for the cops, not helping them. He would've served the cops better by staying home.

Looking for trouble because you said so? No. There aren’t any facts to support your narrative. You are speculating he’s “looking for trouble.”

And the rioters, looters, and protesters, out past curfew, were “making life more difficult for the cops.” He’s no exception. You’ve just singled him out.

But those points aside, the statement from an involved other witness, McGinnis, lays the foundation for self-defense of the shooting of Rosenbaum.

McGinnis, in the charging document, is said to have told detectives Rosenbaum was approaching Rittenhouse and trying to get to him. McGinnis stated Rosenbaum wasn’t alone. As Rosenbaum gets closer to Rittenhouse, Rittenhouse “jukes” and avoids Rittenhouse. He then “evades” the others and flees, running from them towards a car lot.

Okay. Let’s pause for a moment. A person you say is “looking for trouble,” armed with the firepower of an AR-15, has chosen to evade Rosenbaum and others, and is running from a few unarmed people, and they are chasing after him. Rittenhouse’s act of running is saying no mas, it is communicating he doesn’t want a confrontation. (In addition, he has a medical kit to assist others and is seen carrying a fire extinguisher to put out a fire.)

While being chased, Rittenhouse has an object thrown at him by a pursuing Rosenbaum. (video). McGinnis says Rosenbaum then approaches Rittenhouse and attempts to grab Rittenhouse’s firearm. Specifically, Rosenbaum tries to grab the barrel of the firearm. Rittenhouse pulls away and Rosenbaum moves in and they “engage” and Rosenbaum is shot.

Those facts provide a viable self-defense. They do not support the narrative you have articulated.

In addition, video evidence provides sufficient facts for a self-defense shooting of Huber, skateboarder who was shot and killed, and the shooting and injuring of Grosskreutz.

After being kicked while on the ground by an unidentified male, and having threats of bodily harmed made against him by several people, Huber then motions and lands on top of Rittenhouse, moves his skateboard in his hand and the skateboard hits Rittehouse’s body and head. Huber then, while getting up, grabs Rittenhouse’s gun with his left hand as he attempts to run off. He is shot.

That presents a viable self-defense claim and doesn’t support your narrative.

Facts matter. Reliable information matters. Narratives supported by facts and information are preferred, certainly more rational.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

It's 16 in the UK. 18 in Spain, parental consent or not.

But anyway if the situation would get hot enough.... but that's very unlikely for the American military might

But this is the US, so we use US laws to determine when a person can enlist

Besides, when a nation is at war is a far cry from peace time