"Llewelyn Stevenson, post: 68006427, member: 377084"]Eyes wide Open, I think you are confusing belief with expectation and that's because of the wide application we give to the word. When I say, I believe I will wake up tomorrow, I am really saying, I expect to wake up tomorrow, and that is based on the fact that I have woken every morning for the last fifty five years and see no reason to fear otherwise.
Well I would say the expectation was built on the belief, which was built on the knowledge of the event (to wake) which is held together by faith, faith being present because it not a known thing but a future projection. But perhaps its subjective? Expectation is defined outcome 'x' from the said belief. No belief no expectation.
Also its only the prior thought of me waking tomorrow that creates the expectation and the belief that I will, but because there is no real knowledge of that waking in a true sense (because it hasn’t arrived) the belief is built on faith, in that instance I choose to believe I will. Obviously what we are prepared to believe on faith varies greatly.
Beliefs really apply to context, I tried to make a clear distinction between what I think are the two types of belief we can hold in a general sense and the basis for them. Of course the contexts that are applied can change dramatically and to differing degrees of expectation. As the blind faith thread shows what some deem to be faith is to others blind faith, because what we gauge as evidence differs greatly.
That is the problem with a word like believe: it has so many applications, and each of those applications may have a different answer. To more clearly define the request we need to see the intent of LostMarbels' question. He gave it to us. His point is the doctrine of predestination though he wishes to keep it free of Biblical quotations. I don't know if that's possible but I'm sure someone who holds that point of view will prove me wrong. How do you explain believing not being a determined act of person but by outside compulsion [not sure if that's the right word]? Can someone believe through me so that it appears I am believing and, if so, am I actually believing?
The determined act follows from having information presented to you that you ac'knowledge' as the truth, (or not) meaning you understand the 'thing' to be true because you have knowledge of the said thing (That’s the outside compulsion to believe) If you don't have knowledge (from a poor presentation of information) you won't acknowledge it as truth, thus no belief will be formed unless you 'choose' to believe on faith, meaning you believe the 'thing' without all the knowledge. If you know something it has resonance with you, it is not a conscious choice as such, or a determined act as a conscious choice, that's my take. A slap in the face hurts. That is a presentation of information (the slap) and I know and believe that to be true, I don't make a conscious choice to believe, it resonates with me. I'm not sure if that answers your questions but its the best I've got. But to summarise I can believe through you if the information you are providing fits with my perception of reality, if not then I won't, irrespective of what you believe, or how valid you think it is. The mind is a powerful tool and you can convince yourself of many things.