Baby's blood red moon - abortion moon -- a reminder that God sees

[KCfromNC]

Well on "Christian"forums the Word of God matters to a lot of readers... hence the Gen 1 fact that God is the one that created Sun and Moon on day 4 and set them as "signs" for humans. A lot of Christians know that an infinitely capable and wise God already knew in Gen 1 -- the details for Nov 8, 2022 and election day.

Atheists of course would be expected to ignore that detail and that is fine. You have free will - choose as you wish.

Yeah, obviously the problem with reading something into a perfectly normal occurrence is that others don't just believe hard enough. Can't have anything to do with the actual objections to the idea raised in this thread and subsequently ignored.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Now if you have a neutral POV argument where in fact "gravity" causes blood moons to happen on most (or many, or the average, or at some regular occurrence) election days in the U.S. -- feel free to give us your data.

Why would I try to argue for something untrue and misguided? The idea that the solar system is aligned to the nation you live in lies somewhere between monumentally prideful nationalism and a delusion of reference.

 

[BobRyan]

Luke 21:25 “There will be signs in the sun and moon and stars, and on the earth distress among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves, 26 people fainting from fear and the expectation of the things that are coming upon the world; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.

from: WATCH | Rare Election Eclipse: The blood moon lunar eclipse occurs Tuesday

"Election Day on Tuesday will be one for the record books. According to data scientist Tony Rice, this is the first total lunar eclipse to occur on election day as we know it, something that won't happen again until 2394. Everyone from coast to coast across the U.S. will have the opportunity to see a total lunar eclipse that occurs in the early morning hours on Tuesday, Nov. 8."​

It's not a once-in-history event. We already know when the next one will be. Not to mention that a "sign" that happens when most people are asleep and thus not seeing it is an ineffective sign.

So you are taking "never happened before in American history" and turning it into " not a once-in-history event " but rather what? many times in American history?? What "other history" has American elections in November, debates abortions and has a blood moon on election day???

Just how often do you think we have blood moons on election day in America? (other than ... yesterday)

We already know that in 360+ years if America is still here (which is an interesting question) -- and if we still have elections, and if elections are in November on the same schedule they are on today - and if abortion is still hotly debated or even practiced at all - that a "blood moon" would once again be a reminder... you call that "a given"??? nothing to see here?, "Move along"?

 

[BobRyan]

Yeah, obviously the problem with reading something into a perfectly normal occurrence

"normal occurrence" as in once in American history and not going to happen again for over 350 years if even then since we can't know today that American elections in November debating abortion is a 'thing' -- 350 years from now.

As already stated - we expect -- nothing to see here, "Move along" -- as the Atheist POV when considering those details. Not really surprised by that and of course you can choose as you wish.

 

[BobRyan]

Why would I try to argue for something untrue and misguided? The idea that the solar system is aligned to the nation you live in lies somewhere between monumentally prideful nationalism and a delusion of reference.

The idea that an infinite Being who created the Sun and Moon would have enough knowledge when creating them -- to see this week like it was yesterday -- is not out of the norm for Christians. Your claim that the Bible is 'untrue' as if we view that as the big unexpected Atheist POV -- is another example of yet another interesting atheist POV.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Your claim that the Bible is 'untrue' .

Your initial request was for me to demonstrate that ""gravity" causes blood moons to happen on most ... election days in the U.S."

Obviously it doesn't. That is untrue.

 

[Arcangl86]

So you are taking "never happened before in American history" and turning it into " not a once-in-history event " but rather what? many times in American history?? What "other history" has American elections in November, debates abortions and has a blood moon on election day???

Just how often do you think we have blood moons on election day in America? (other than ... yesterday)

We already know that in 360+ years if America is still here (which is an interesting question) -- and if we still have elections, and if elections are in November on the same schedule they are on today - and if abortion is still hotly debated or even practiced at all - that a "blood moon" would once again be a reminder... you call that "a given"??? nothing to see here?, "Move along"?

The eclipse would have happened regardless of the election or whatever the political issue of the day was. Eclipses aren't unusual and we know how to predict them. Makes them a rather poor portent.

 

[Desk trauma]

Guess this “baby’s blood moon” wasn’t as impactful as its billing would have us believe given the performance of anti-abortion ballot measures in the election.

 

[BobRyan]

Guess this “baby’s blood moon” wasn’t as impactful as its billing would have us believe given the performance of anti-abortion ballot measures in the election.

What do you see as the connection between the votes for abortion and the abortion moon statement?

Do you think the blood moon "votes" ?

 

[BobRyan]

The last blood red moon of 2022 - on election day - is now in full display as I look out my window this election day Nov 8, 2022 morning at 6 AM.
from: WATCH | Rare Election Eclipse: The blood moon lunar eclipse occurs Tuesday

"Election Day on Tuesday will be one for the record books. According to data scientist Tony Rice, this is the first total lunar eclipse to occur on election day as we know it, something that won't happen again until 2394. Everyone from coast to coast across the U.S. will have the opportunity to see a total lunar eclipse that occurs in the early morning hours on Tuesday, Nov. 8."​

That baby's-blood-red Moon hangs over the horizon like a great judgment day reminder - that God sees all the millions of babies crying out - like the blood of Able crying out from the ground. God sees and the Bible says "The hour of His judgment has come" Rev 14:7.

Eclipses aren't unusual .

If you ignore enough details in the OP -- then almost anything can be said in response.

"something that won't happen again until 2394." -- yeah... ignore that detail
"the first total lunar eclipse to occur on election day as we know it " -- yeah... well ignore that one too??

 

[BobRyan]

Your initial request was for me to demonstrate that ""gravity" causes blood moons to happen on most ... election days in the U.S."

Obviously it doesn't. That is untrue.

You seem to have lost focus.

1. If by my "initial request" you mean -- post 59... well let's look at what actually was said

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Why would I try to argue for something untrue and misguided? The idea that the solar system is aligned to the nation you live in lies somewhere between monumentally prideful nationalism and a delusion of reference.

The idea that an infinite Being who created the Sun and Moon would have enough knowledge when creating them -- to see this week like it was yesterday -- is not out of the norm for Christians. Your claim that the Bible is 'untrue' as if we view that as the big unexpected Atheist POV -- is another example of yet another interesting atheist POV.

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It's not really an "atheist POV" to understand that the earth, moon and Sun obey the law of gravity .

That part is Christian - true enough

But God is the one saying He created them , and set them in motion and gave them as signs for humans in Gen 1:7 -- so when we see a once-in-history event - we are allowed "to notice".

I don't doubt that the atheist POV in those cases is "nothing to see here... move along" and of course you have free will and can choose it.

Now if you have a neutral POV argument where in fact "gravity" causes blood moons to happen on most (or many, or the average, or at some regular occurrence) election days in the U.S. -- feel free to give us your data.

In other words no such thing...

When we notice "the actual details in the OP" there is no way to hand waive it all off arguing that "gravity" does that when a U.S. Election that debates abortion - comes along. Since as has been shown repeatedly gravity has never done that at any U.S. Election event until Tuesday of this week.. first time ever in U.S. History -- as opposed to "happens all the time"... "nothing to see here"... "move along.

That fact combined with God's own statement at the very time He made the Sun and Moon - that they were created and set in motion as "signs" (among other reasons) - is of interest to Bible believing Christians.

Or is it your argument that Christians are wrong "to notice"??

 

[Desk trauma]

What do you see as the connection between the votes for abortion and the abortion moon statement?

I see it as people not viewing the totally indifferent to any human action, well understood process of a lunar eclipse as a messaged from a deity about US abortion laws.

Do you think the blood moon "votes" ?

Celestial bodies are not eligible to vote in the US, even when in an eclipse.

 

[BobRyan]

Celestial bodies are not eligible to vote in the US, even when in an eclipse.

so then why are you trying to connect it to voting results??

 

[Desk trauma]

so then why are you trying to connect it to voting results??

I gave that explanation in the part of post 72 that you chose not to quote.

 

[BobRyan]

I gave that explanation in the part of post 72 that you chose not to quote.

So it is your view that 300 million people are reading my post the morning of election day and if they do not vote as I have suggested then it is proof that the suggestion was evaluated and rejected?

Do you view that as a reasonable line of argument?

 

[Desk trauma]

So it is your view that 300 million people are reading my post the morning of election day and if they do not vote as I have suggested then it is proof that the suggestion was evaluated and rejected?

Nope.

 

[Brihaha]

Abortion moon????? What the....what?

Lord I apologize for this feller and yes I ignored the details in the OP and please bless us with the pygmies down in New Guinea. Amen.

 

[Hans Blaster]

For the sake of "context" - this is "ChristianForums" not "AtheistForums" so you can't simply "assume" that everyone here looks at a Bible text and calls it "astrology".

Of course you have free will and can always choose less than compelling statements given the context of the group you are posting to -- as you wish. But at some point a desire to have a compelling statement should surface.

I'm calling your "pronouncement" astrology (or the equivalent). I don't really care what text you quote to piece them together.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Yeah, no kidding. Oh, something happened exactly at the time it was known to happen due to completely natural causes. That's not a sign, that's just reality being reality.

If something which happened naturally every 370 years suddenly moved to happen on 3 consecutive US election days maybe then get back to us.

But if they did, astronomers wouldn't be able to predict them since they would happen with out expectation. What happened this week? They knew exactly what was going to happen: A lunar eclipse with a reddish tint. It's almost like the Sun, Earth, and Moon move about space with some sort of regularity that can be easily predicted and would serve as a poor "signaling mechanism".

 

[Hans Blaster]

In the mid 1800's southern democrat states claimed the right to own slaves. (Once again - the issue of the "value of human life" coming up in politics)

"yeah" they also called it "states rights"

There were no "southern democrat slave states". That notion didn't exist. By the time slavery was confined to just the south, both parties (Democrats and Whigs) were active throughout the region.

The "southern democrat" notion starts *after* the war. The opposition to the reconstruction Republican coalition of Unionist and Freedmen coalesced in the southern wing of the Democratic party an their terrorist wing.