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How can /can you be a faithful Roman Catholic if you are not obedient to the moral views of the church
I mean liberal as in pro choice and such I actually conside myself liberal in some senses such as Marrage and women's ordinationYou assume that to be liberal is to oppose the moral teachings of the Church, and that liberals can't be faithful Catholics, and that not being obedient to every moral teaching of the Church is a trait only applicable to "liberals".
I can tell you from my long experience as a Catholic that many Catholics who are NOT liberal are also NOT obedient to all Catholic moral doctrines. From that same experience I can assure you that many liberal Catholics do not oppose The Church's moral teachings. I know many faithful Catholics whom you would likely call liberals, based on your false assumptions. A noted example would be Pope Francis, who is considered quite liberal or worse by many but has not reversed any moral teachings.
I would say, and have said many times on these forums, that to be truly Catholic and a disciple of Jesus is to have traits that are decidedly "liberal" in the view of many.
Then you should say that, since liberal has a different meaning and connotations for different people. Your thread title should have read "pro-choice" rather than "liberal." There is a difference, despite what some want to believe.I mean liberal as in pro choice and such I actually conside myself liberal in some senses such as Marrage and women's ordination
How can /can you be a faithful Roman Catholic if you are not obedient to the moral views of the church on life
But is that the only stage of life that is important? What about all the other life issues? Is the Pope wrong for emphasizing the full meaning of being pro-life? It is not as simple as you seem to think.you can not be ok with the murder of unborn children and be a good Catholic
simple as that
But is that the only stage of life that is important? What about all the other life issues? Is the Pope wrong for emphasizing the full meaning of being pro-life? It is not as simple as you seem to think.
you can not be ok with the murder of unborn children and be a good Catholic
simple as that
Pro-Choice doesn't mean you are ok with murder. It means not everyone views when a fetus is an independent life the same way. I am not pro-abortion for anybody and I don't consider it a viable choice in my decision making. Not everybody is Catholic for one and two, if you make it illegal, women will do it in unsafe ways that can kill them or make them sterile. I'm not pro that happening.
if you make it illegal, women will do it in unsafe ways that can kill them or make them sterile. I'm not pro that happening.
You can't be pro-choice and a Catholic at the same time. Anybody who knows the Churches teaching on the issue and still supports it are automatically excommunicated.
sometimes when you try to murder someone, you get hurt in the process
like a guy trying to rob a liquor store might get shot by the owner
you are right, not everyone is Catholic
but you do not have to be Catholic to value human life
some people do not view the fetus as being fully human
the Nazies did not view the Jews as fully human
white slave holders in the south did not view Africans as fully human
this does not make their actions right
we can not just say "agree to disagree" and let human beings be victimized
Canon 1398: A person who procures a completed abortion incurs a latae sententiae (Automatic) excommunication.Can you show me where it says that in some official Catholic doctrine?
Canon 1398: A person who procures a completed abortion incurs a latae sententiae (Automatic) excommunication.
This applies to the Woman who chose to have an abortion, the doctors and nurses who carried out the procedure, any relatives or friends who encouraged or aided the woman, anybody who publicly promotes abortion, and any politician who votes in favor of abortion.
Holding the view even without publicly advocating it still incurs an automatic excommunication because it is heresy.
Canon 751: “Heresy is the obstinate denial or obstinate doubt after the reception of baptism of some truth which is to be believed by divine and Catholic faith...."
The Churches stance on abortion is clear and binding on anybody who considers themselves Catholic.
Canon 1364: “an apostate from the faith, a heretic, or a schismatic incurs a latae sententiae excommunication.”
If somebody is privately pro-choice then they are not necessarily aiding or advocating abortion but it is a position that a Catholic cannot hold whether it is in public or private. Catholics must oppose abortion and they cannot be indifferent or simply say let them choose what they want to do. Even if nothing changes, we will be innocent of this sin before God and the people who are condemned will have no excuse.Thanks, so would you say that being pro-choice is aiding or advocating abortions? Otherwise if you don't encourage anybody to get one and you re not a politician there would be be other reason you can't agree to let someone make their own choice to kill or not.
Thanks, so would you say that being pro-choice is aiding or advocating abortions? Otherwise if you don't encourage anybody to get one and you re not a politician there would be be other reason you can't agree to let someone make their own choice to kill or not.