"Ardent" Catholic Nancy Pelosi on abortion

[benedictaoo]

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html

The devil' is really steppin up his game here. Now Posli, thinks she the pope. Her ego scares me the most, more than Bamma's. She has got to go.

Y'all can scroll and look for the Polsi link. A priest blasted her for it. Thank God Fox will at least allow priests on there to set the record straight. But you know... bitter Catholics, anti Catholic Catholics will believe what they want because politics comes first in their lives, not their faith. Politic is the new religion for some.

You know, we all have to believe in something, man is a religious being by nature.

She was out of line and outright misspoke. Again, the way they think the public is so stupid that they can feed it what they want is very insulting.

This is all so unreal at this point. How low these democrats will go just to win back power.

 

[InTheCloud]

"But you know... bitter Catholics, anti Catholic Catholics will believe what they want because politics comes first in their lives, not their faith. Politic is the new religion for some. "Nietzche predicted that, the dead of God will made men worshipers of the State. That is the root of modern socialism.While no party has a monoply on God the willigness of some Catholic Democrats to throw God under the bus on abortion to worship the golden calf of political power is scary.I see that Pelosi is basically forcing a formal excomunion.

 

[benedictaoo]

"But you know... bitter Catholics, anti Catholic Catholics will believe what they want because politics comes first in their lives, not their faith. Politic is the new religion for some. "Nietzche predicted that, the dead of God will made men worshipers of the State. That is the root of modern socialism.While no party has a monoply on God the willigness of some Catholic Democrats to throw God under the bus on abortion to worship the golden calf of political power is scary.I see that Pelosi is basically forcing a formal excomunion.

You know what, you are right. The Church would normally remain in the back ground and stay out of it but I think these "catholic" Demos are seriously pushing their hand and they are going to have to do some excommunicating.

I guess they all can go join Al Gore's church of global warming, provided Polsi doesn't boot Gore out and become pope of that too.

 

[SolomonVII]

"But you know... bitter Catholics, anti Catholic Catholics will believe what they want because politics comes first in their lives, not their faith. Politic is the new religion for some. "Nietzche predicted that, the dead of God will made men worshipers of the State. That is the root of modern socialism.While no party has a monoply on God the willigness of some Catholic Democrats to throw God under the bus on abortion to worship the golden calf of political power is scary.I see that Pelosi is basically forcing a formal excomunion.

Necessity is the mother of invention. People need Gods. When belief in God dies, society reverts back to worshipping earthly kings as gods.
Larger than life pictures of Mao and Stalin and Lenin, adulation of meglamanicas such as Hitler, and yes, even Prophet Gore and the cultic aspects of Obamamania (the oba-Messiah) show that this athiest was the real prophet of our age.
"This is the day that the oceans will begin to recede!", and the crowd swoons in adulation.

Amzing stuff really.

 

[InTheCloud]

Nietzche was more a pantheist that a atheist. But I agree, he is the prophet of the modern world. The Chapter, "The New Idol" in Also Sprach Zarathuster is vital to understand that when God dies, the Cesar becomes a god again.
Thats is the origin of the modern welfare state and all forms of socialism.

 

[InTheCloud]

The Popes agrees with Nieztche on that, there is a discourse on that by them Cardinal Ratzinger.When the Church disapears from public life, the State becomes the new church.

 

[MrJim]

Does anyone think NBC will have a Cardinal or Bishop on Meet The Press next week to clarify things? I would think it would need to be someone of that stature and not a Catholic theologian~I learned from you folks that Catholic do not speak for the Church

 

[stivvy]

Does anyone think NBC will have a Cardinal or Bishop on Meet The Press next week to clarify things? I would think it would need to be someone of that stature and not a Catholic theologian~I learned from you folks that Catholic do not speak for the Church

What? Ask for someone to speak for the church who truely represnts it!?!?

Ha!

And you are asking that the press display and practice responsible journalism?

Double Ha!

 

[Zoness]

Congress has lost it's credibility to me regardless, this particular issue I hear so much of anymore it's just...old. I mean regardless of if you are pro-life or pro-choice, nobody wants to see abortions, simply one group believes in the right to let women choose. It's their choice, it's a terrible sin but it is their choice and I pray they make the correct choice but who am I to say what rights women can have on that issue.

Nobody wants more abortions they just have different ways of appraching the problem.

 

[SolomonVII]

Congress has lost it's credibility to me regardless, this particular issue I hear so much of anymore it's just...old. I mean regardless of if you are pro-life or pro-choice, nobody wants to see abortions, simply one group believes in the right to let women choose. It's their choice, it's a terrible sin but it is their choice and I pray they make the correct choice but who am I to say what rights women can have on that issue.

Nobody wants more abortions they just have different ways of appraching the problem.

That is all Pelosi needed to say. "It is a terrible sin".

This is a democracy. The majority decides the laws. As politicians, it is correct that they defer to the will of the people. In the end, it is the people who much choose. The Church does not choose, nor should a politician impose their own morality against the will of the people.
It is a democracy after all. The teaching is either to be accepted, or rejected. It is the majority who gets the vote.

But as a Catholic, abortion is against the will of God and the will of the Church. "it is a grave sin". That is clear, unambiguous and unequivocal, and timeless instruction.

But that is not what Pelosi said. She is manipulating the large Catholic vote by making it seem that this point is not clearly taught by the Church.

This is unethical behavior by any standard. The Church has an obligation to oppose such a stance by our Catholic politicians.

 

[eastcoast_bsc]

This is so confusing - are we casting Pelosi to hell in this thread, or is this one for Biden?

I think that your trying to tap dance around the issue here. The fact is that the catholic church is clearly answering Pelosi with the fact that YES life does begin at conception. So she is clearly misinformed or being disingenuous.

 

[stivvy]

Congress has lost it's credibility to me regardless, this particular issue I hear so much of anymore it's just...old. I mean regardless of if you are pro-life or pro-choice, nobody wants to see abortions, simply one group believes in the right to let women choose. It's their choice, it's a terrible sin but it is their choice and I pray they make the correct choice but who am I to say what rights women can have on that issue.

Nobody wants more abortions they just have different ways of appraching the problem.

Wrong. You are young and you are not understanding the true issue here. We are a Representative government, not to mention many of the doctors and clinics who perform the abortions are funded through the insurance programs and the government programs that pay for it from our money, so we are alos funding it.

As a representative government, you are represented by the laws that say this procedure is ok and there are many out there who fight for these murders to get more and more extreme (partial birth abortions and allowing babies to die on tables after an abortion was induced and the baby was born). By voting knowing the person you are putting in these positions represent you and you know they will promote these murders rather than stopping them is a stain on your soul.

If I use your analogy, we shouldn't care if someone has the right to come into your home and murder you in your sleep. Nobody wants to see it happen, it is a horrible thing, but it is that person's right to do it and they will have to answer for it. Does that make sense? No it doesn't, and nor does allowing murders of babies.

 

[Zoness]

Wrong. You are young and you are not understanding the true issue here. We are a Representative government, not to mention many of the doctors and clinics who perform the abortions are funded through the insurance programs and the government programs that pay for it from our money, so we are alos funding it.

As a representative government, you are represented by the laws that say this procedure is ok and there are many out there who fight for these murders to get more and more extreme (partial birth abortions and allowing babies to die on tables after an abortion was induced and the baby was born). By voting knowing the person you are putting in these positions represent you and you know they will promote these murders rather than stopping them is a stain on your soul.

If I use your analogy, we shouldn't care if someone has the right to come into your home and murder you in your sleep. Nobody wants to see it happen, it is a horrible thing, but it is that person's right to do it and they will have to answer for it. Does that make sense? No it doesn't, and nor does allowing murders of babies.

Ok thats nice now that my age has invalidated the argument I shall continue...

Sorry but I will use a bit of conservative cynicism here; it's not going to change. How many big issues do you see "changing" out there? If people really want abortions they will make a stop to Canada or find some utterly disgusting method of performing such if they are crazy like that we can't rely on the government stopping the situation. Of course they provide the money and have the power but when has that power ever been put to good use?

I didn't say anything about not caring I'm simply tired of hearing about it. Nobody out there is going to just magically change their stance, if they do they are an exception and there is still a large opposing group. I wouldn't be happy if someone just up and randomly killed me but I would be dead and in the next life, that person will see their judgement from God just as those who perform abortions do. Coming back to the example again, if someone is going to kill you they are going to do it regardless of what legislation exists.

But if I'm too "young" to understand the issue you can skip this post and go on with your life.

 

[stivvy]

It is the fact that it is a law that stops many many many murders I am sure. What is the purpose of laws otherwise? Also, to stop the public support of abortion and calling it just under those laws must stop. We must fight for the babies. Ultimately God will be the final judge but we all must answer to God too when He asks us, "what did you do for my defenseless children? Why did you not fight for their lives?"

You may be tired of hearing about it and wish to block out the truth of the sin, but those babies are tired of dieing for no reason. I shall never tire fighting for the voiceless. It is what Jesus our Savior calls us to do! "What you do for the least of my bretheren, you do for me."

 

[Zoness]

You may be tired of hearing about it and wish to block out the truth of the sin, but those babies are tired of dieing for no reason. I shall never tire fighting for the voiceless. It is what Jesus our Savior calls us to do! "What you do for the least of my bretheren, you do for me."

Putting words into my mouth again, I noted very obviously that its a sin. Maybe I should care more and not caring makes me a bad person but still once those kids are born its more than likely the system will end up taking care of them instead of reasonable parents I guess its a chance to minister to them eventually...it will be a harder task, trust me but souls are worth it.

 

[benedictaoo]

Does anyone think NBC will have a Cardinal or Bishop on Meet The Press next week to clarify things? I would think it would need to be someone of that stature and not a Catholic theologian~I learned from you folks that Catholic do not speak for the Church

I'm sure they'll invite Fr. Phleger

 

[geocajun]

I think that your trying to tap dance around the issue here. The fact is that the catholic church is clearly answering Pelosi with the fact that YES life does begin at conception. So she is clearly misinformed or being disingenuous.

Can you point me toward that doctrine?

 

[benedictaoo]

Putting words into my mouth again, I noted very obviously that its a sin. Maybe I should care more and not caring makes me a bad person but still once those kids are born its more than likely the system will end up taking care of them instead of reasonable parents I guess its a chance to minister to them eventually...it will be a harder task, trust me but souls are worth it.

Whether it' a sin or not is bedsides the point. This doesn't have to even be a religious issue. It's a criminal matter. It's murder and that's why it's a law that should not be allowed on the books.

 

[Voegelin]

Vatican Radio is now reporting this:

US Bishops Respond to House Speaker Pelosi's Statements on Abortion

And....

PITTSBURGH (KDKA) ― Bishop David Zubik is now weighing in on comments about abortion made by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi earlier this week . . .continued here

 

[MikeK]

Bishop David Zubik is now weighing in on comments about abortion made by House Speaker Nancy Pelosi earlier this week . .

Zubik is a good guy, Pittsburgh is lucky to have him.