Anyone read Nyes book Undeniable?

[Loudmouth]

The guy who was wanted in 12 systems probably wouldn't have gotten in, though.

On the other hand, still no droids allowed.

 

[Willtor]

On the other hand, still no droids allowed.

Take that, Mr. Data!

 

[selfinflikted]

It makes me cringe when Star Wars and Star Trek universes collide.

 

[Willtor]

It makes me cringe when Star Wars and Star Trek universes collide.

What I did was tame, so your tolerance is too low. Read some fan fic and then come back.

 

[selfinflikted]

What I did was tame, so your tolerance is too low. Read some fan fic and then come back.

Tame, yes. But cringe-worthy nonetheless. I am a COMPLETE SW geek, and only barely like ST, and only then because TNG was slightly awesome.

I attend a Mardi Gras ball each year. This year, the ball's theme had something tangentially to do with space. There were people there dressed as SW characters, and some as ST. I wanted to leave immediately.

 

[Willtor]

Tame, yes. But cringe-worthy nonetheless. I am a COMPLETE SW geek, and only barely like ST, and only then because TNG was slightly awesome.

I attend a Mardi Gras ball each year. This year, the ball's theme had something tangentially to do with space. There were people there dressed as SW characters, and some as ST. I wanted to leave immediately.

Is this generally true of crossovers? Did the Futurama/Simpsons crossover bother you?

 

[Strathos]

Tame, yes. But cringe-worthy nonetheless. I am a COMPLETE SW geek, and only barely like ST, and only then because TNG was slightly awesome.

I attend a Mardi Gras ball each year. This year, the ball's theme had something tangentially to do with space. There were people there dressed as SW characters, and some as ST. I wanted to leave immediately.

May the Force Live Long and Prosper within you...

 

[Willtor]

May the Force Live Long and Prosper within you...

Nanu nanu.

 

[Blue Wren]

Nope not embarrassed at all.

I know Dr. Wile from conferences I've attended. I'm merely passing on everyone's thoughts and asking for clarification. He's a very intelligent man with integrity. If he is in error, he will make changes.

Did you ever, write to him, about these errors?

 

[Saricharity]

I will speak to him in person at a conference this year.
Much better than email.

 

[Blue Wren]

I will speak to him in person at a conference this year.
Much better than email.

Why, is that? With email, you can refer him, back, to here.

 

[Saricharity]

I prefer face to face conversations.

 

[Papias]

Chet wrote:

I didn't notice you asked it, because you didn't quote me. I often skim through threads, not reading a post unless it stands out to me for some reason, such as quoting something I said.

I think all lying hurts the cause of Christ, and all truthfulness helps it. To be truthful with you, I've read little of this thread because I'm not terribly interested in it. I even glossed over most of the OP itself, because it was obvious I'd have to check multiple sources in order to critique it.

Sorry for the long delay - I didn't notice your reply.

All good. If you do get a chance to look closely, you may find Dr. Wily's stuff filled with lies, as has been pointed out on this thread. Being that he's a creationist, it will be up to you to decide if you'll call out his lying, or discard your integrity.

In Christ-

Papias

P.S. Face to face conversations make it easier to maintain cognitive dissonance, since there is no record of it.

 

[Saricharity]

Actually, face to face conversations are sincere. You aren't hiding behind a computer screen. The world is a better place for face to face, real authentic conversation.

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Here is some errors to keep in mind if you are reading it.

http://www.drwile.com/undeniable_review.pdf

Poorly done Jennae. I read a few of his comments.

In about his sixth call out Jay calls Nye out when Nye says that creationist believe the world is between six and ten thousand years old.

According to Jay, some interpretations use different numbers, including some creationists who think the world is billions of years old. That's a lousy call out, the vast majority of creationists go with 6-10 thousand years.

IMO Jay is disingenuous, I quit reading there.

 

[Ada Lovelace]

Actually, face to face conversations are sincere. You aren't hiding behind a computer screen. The world is a better place for face to face, real authentic conversation.

I think there have been many meaningful and authentic conversations that have taken place via text, email, phone, or online, and they can actually be deeper with less distractions than in a face-to-face interaction. Bringing the issues raised here up to him at a conference where he's presumably there to market would be kinda awkward.

I don't think you need to bring this discussion to his attention, though, unless that's something you feel compelled to do. I agree with the majority of the posters here about his disingenuousness and the provable errors in that list. I still think it would take temerity and feel uncomfortable to present any internet forum thread, no matter its content or merit, to a teacher or textbook writer as evidence of their errors. My own teachers would want me to explain for myself why I think they are in error and bring in researched evidence to support those reasons.

Why do you think his list is accurate? Maybe people would better understand your perspective if you explained a bit more.

 

[Willtor]

I think there have been many meaningful and authentic conversations that have taken place via text, email, phone, or online, and they can actually be deeper with less distractions than in a face-to-face interaction. Bringing the issues raised here up to him at a conference where he's presumably there to market would be kinda awkward.

I don't think you need to bring this discussion to his attention, though, unless that's something you feel compelled to do. I agree with the majority of the posters here about his disingenuousness and the provable errors in that list. I still think it would take temerity and feel uncomfortable to present any internet forum thread, no matter its content or merit, to a teacher or textbook writer as evidence of their errors. My own teachers would want me to explain for myself why I think they are in error and bring in researched evidence to support those reasons.

Why do you think his list is accurate? Maybe people would better understand your perspective if you explained a bit more.

I agree with this.

I'd also add to it that, for Wily's sake, he can provide more considered and reflective answers in written form than he can off-the-cuff. So, even if you can accurately and precisely remember his comments, his comments will be better in written form than verbal. It also gives him the opportunity to cite sources (if he's a scholar), which he probably couldn't do as completely in person.

Certainly, it's true that face-to-face is more social and relationship-building. But this topic is pedagogic. We're glad if you want to build your relationship with Wily. But that isn't what's being discussed, here. For the purposes of this thread, we need data.

 

[Papias]

Jennae wrote:

Actually, face to face conversations are sincere. You aren't hiding behind a computer screen. The world is a better place for face to face, real authentic conversation.

If you think that anyone talking to you face to face is automatically being sincere, then you are incredibly naive.

Any conversation can be sincere or dishonest, and as has been pointed out over and over on this thread, Dr. Wily has a long record of being dishonest.

In Christ-

Papias

 

[Strathos]

Not to mention that text debates give you a better chance to form and present your arguments, and disallow most types of theatrics (i.e. Gish Gallop).

 

[bhsmte]

Jennae wrote:


If you think that anyone talking to you face to face is automatically being sincere, then you are incredibly naive.

Any conversation can be sincere or dishonest, and as has been pointed out over and over on this thread, Dr. Wily has a long record of being dishonest.

In Christ-

Papias

I agree and I will add this.

With some people, when they are face to face, they have a tendency to tell the other person what they want to hear and are less honest.