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[StormanNorman]

then I can say the same thing for miracles. And we both understand the Big Bang to be a miracle as well.

By definition, miracles are supernatural ...so, yes. And, please do me a favor, don't speak for me. Science has made great progress understanding the origins of the universe in recent years. It doesn't necessarily need (except for some of us) to be a miracle.

 

[RedRover]

In 200 years we have gathered more knowledge about the world around us using this assumption than all of the supernaturalists produced in the preceding 10,000 years.

Then you should worship the farm tractor because you simply have a lot more people alive today to go out and gather whatever it is you claim they are gathering. The method of their madness really has nothing to do with it.

 

[Skaloop]

so you don't believe the Big Bang exploded? Then what did it do? Expand?

Yes, that is a more accurate (though not entirely accurate) adjective.

Again from what?

Don't know for sure.

It expanded from absolutely nothing.

Not necessarily.

If there was in fact something, where or what caused that to exist?

Don't know for sure.

 

[RedRover]

By definition, miracles are supernatural

All the miracles I have seen has to do with something that is broken or not working and needing fixed. The real problem is to show that there was ever a problem in the first place. People tend to live in the moment not the past. It may have been broken but now everything is working fine and it is difficult to show that there ever was a problem in the first place.

 

[HitchSlap]

All the miracles I have seen has to do with something that is broken or not working and needing fixed. The real problem is to show that there was ever a problem in the first place. People tend to live in the moment not the past. It may have been broken but now everything is working fine and it is difficult to show that there ever was a problem in the first place.

Meh, Hume's Maxim and all.

 

[bhsmte]

then I can say the same thing for miracles. And we both understand the Big Bang to be a miracle as well.

You should speak for yourself in regards to what is a miracle and what is not.

The cause for the expansion hasn't been determined yet, just as we didn't know much of what we know now (from a scientific explanation standpoint) 100 years ago. The gaps of unknown knowledge where God has been inserted in the past have closed and they will continue to close further in the future.

 

[bhsmte]

why is it projection?

Projection is when you claim someone else shares your views, which is clearly what you did in this case.

 

[createdtoworship]

Projection is when you claim someone else shares your views, which is clearly what you did in this case.

I didn't do that. I said the big bang was an explosion, then you correcting me saying it was not an explosion. What was it then?

answer me this?

 

[createdtoworship]

Projection is when you claim someone else shares your views, which is clearly what you did in this case.

if it's not a miracle and it's not science....what is it?

 

[bhsmte]

All the miracles I have seen has to do with something that is broken or not working and needing fixed. The real problem is to show that there was ever a problem in the first place. People tend to live in the moment not the past. It may have been broken but now everything is working fine and it is difficult to show that there ever was a problem in the first place.

What miracles have you seen?

 

[createdtoworship]

The gaps of unknown knowledge where God has been inserted in the past have closed and they will continue to close further in the future.

in order for their to be gaps, there must be one point explained and another not (in the gap). This is the very first point in your evolutionary future, that you cannot explain.

 

[StormanNorman]

if it's not a miracle and it's not science....what is it?

Origins of the universe is most definitely science ... probably some of the most difficult science out there.

 

[bhsmte]

if it's not a miracle and it's not science....what is it?

Who said science couldn't explain it in due time, just as it has explained many other things over the centuries that were unknown? Why is that so hard to grasp?

 

[createdtoworship]

All the miracles I have seen has to do with something that is broken or not working and needing fixed.

well something can't explode by itself (big bang). I would say it's not operating correctly. A miracle must have happened.

 

[CabVet]

if it's not a miracle and it's not science....what is it?

A simple "I don't know" is and will always be better than anything made up.

 

[CabVet]

well something can't explode by itself (big bang). I would say it's not operating correctly. A miracle must have happened.

"I don't know" does not equal to "a miracle must have happened".

 

[bhsmte]

in order for their to be gaps, there must be one point explained and another not (in the gap). This is the very first point in your evolutionary future, that you cannot explain.

So what? This happens to be a difficult issue for science to workout, for obvious reasons. Give it time and explanations will come, based on science. You may not like them, but they will figure it out eventually.

 

[bhsmte]

well something can't explode by itself (big bang). I would say it's not operating correctly. A miracle must have happened.

So, should scientists stop doing work to come up with an answer to this question and just say; it was a miracle and we can't explain it?

 

[createdtoworship]

So, should scientists stop doing work to come up with an answer to this question and just say; it was a miracle and we can't explain it?

sure keep working on it, but it's a miracle.

you may not accept that, but your view has miracles too.

 

[createdtoworship]

So what? This happens to be a difficult issue for science to workout, for obvious reasons. Give it time and explanations will come, based on science. You may not like them, but they will figure it out eventually.

you can sure try to explain how something came into existance, from nothing. You can sure try.