9/11 Truth for Dummies: Wrap Your Head Around One Thing

[Zanting]

9/11 for dummies...One conspiracy theory versus another conspiracy theory (by definition) where facts become fiction and fiction becomes fact. Personal attacks welcome.

 

[Yoder777]

For 9/11 to be an inside job, that would mean Clinton and Obama are part of the coverup, since 9/11 happened less than a year after Clinton left office, and Obama took credit for killing bin Laden. What I would recommend doing is to please actually read Popular Mechanics' full report on 9/11 conspiracy theories, and see where the scientific evidence goes.
9/11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center - Pentagon - Flight 93 - Popular Mechanics

With the obvious incompetence of the Bush administration, whether it be the Iraq war, hurricane Katrina, the 2008 financial crisis, etc. , it's doubtful that they would be able to orchestrate the worst terrorist attack of all time and then perfectly coverup the truth. There are conspiracies that happen in real life, but like Watergate, the Pentagon Papers or Iran-Contra, they usually end up coming to light.

I do believe that our government was negligent and incompetent for failing to prevent 9/11 from happening, but both Clinton and Bush would share in the blame for not finding bin Laden when they could.

 

[ManFromUncle]

For 9/11 to be an inside job, that would mean Clinton and Obama are part of the coverup, since 9/11 happened less than a year after Clinton left office, and Obama took credit for killing bin Laden. What I would recommend doing is to please actually read Popular Mechanics' full report on 9/11 conspiracy theories, and see where the scientific evidence goes.
9/11 Conspiracy Theories - Debunking the Myths - World Trade Center - Pentagon - Flight 93 - Popular Mechanics

With the obvious incompetence of the Bush administration, whether it be the Iraq war, hurricane Katrina, the 2008 financial crisis, etc. , it's doubtful that they would be able to orchestrate the worst terrorist attack of all time and then perfectly coverup the truth. There are conspiracies that happen in real life, but like Watergate, the Pentagon Papers or Iran-Contra, they usually end up coming to light.

I do believe that our government was negligent and incompetent for failing to prevent 9/11 from happening, but both Clinton and Bush would share in the blame for not finding bin Laden when they could.

Your use of the absurdist "that means so-and-so must have been in on it" does not answer the fundamental physics which makes the official story impossible. The mass could not have accelerated as a result of accumulation of the collapsed floors because any mass of any weight falls to the Earth at the same speed, through thin air. For a mass to fall through anything much denser than air, like weakened steel, it would necessarily fall much more slowly than free-fall speed, and likely slow down and grind to a halt. Understanding Galileo is the key to understanding in a single step why the official story is false.

As for Clinton and everybody in the government being "in on it," that is not how things work in the real world. A violent coup does not require everyone to be "in on it." A small number act ruthlessly and everyone else decides it is better to keep their mouths shut. That's what was behind the anthrax letters to the three major news stations and the leading opponents of the Patriot Act. Yes Obama is a puppet, and remembers what happened to JFK. Your "everyone must have been in on it" logic is a standard disinfo tactic.

9-11 Research: Anthrax Attacks

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[GarfieldJL]

As for Clinton and everybody in the government being "in on it," that is not how things work in the real world. A violent coup does not require everyone to be "in on it." A small number act ruthlessly and everyone else decides it is better to keep their mouths shut. That's what was behind the anthrax letters to the three major news stations and the leading opponents of the Patriot Act. Yes Obama is a puppet, and remembers what happened to JFK. Your "everyone must have been in on it" logic is a standard disinfo tactic.

In this day and age, with so many people wanting their 15 minutes of fame, it's rather unlikely that the truth wouldn't have come out by now...

So, I rather doubt this was an inside job...

 

[Trogdor the Burninator]

Better to keep regurgitating the same tired old trutherisms like "the building fell at free-fall speed" and post a few more youtube videos....

 

[GarfieldJL]

Better to keep regurgitating the same tired old trutherisms like "the building fell at free-fall speed" and post a few more youtube videos....

There is also the obvious flaw in the argument where sneaking that much demolition explosives to collapse the WTC in that manner would probably have been noticed by a lot of people... Remember the WTC was bombed before.

 

[Btodd]

Oh, we're back to the 'it breaks the basic laws of physics but not a single person can write a scientific paper showing such and introduce it to a peer-reviewed physics journal' stuff?

Meanwhile, here's YouTube. But it's totally scientific. If I were you, I would be seriously dejected by the Truth Movement. On one hand, they claim it's so obvious, and on the other, they're too lazy to participate in the scientific method, which makes your claims look rather hollow.


Btodd

 

[cow451]

In this day and age, with so many people wanting their 15 minutes of fame, it's rather unlikely that the truth wouldn't have come out by now...

So, I rather doubt this was an inside job...

Sometimes the best answer is the simple one.

 

[Yoder777]

Please read this:
http://www.amazon.com/Debunking-11-Myths-Conspiracy-Theories/dp/158816635X

And watch this:
Zinn on investigating 9/11 - Video Dailymotion

 

[sword_of_truth]

Regardless of conspiracy theories or debunking theories, explain the collapse of WTC 7. this is the fulcrum upon which the whole "inside job" proponents turns.

 

[Yoder777]

Regardless of conspiracy theories or debunking theories, explain the collapse of WTC 7. this is the fulcrum upon which the whole "inside job" proponents turns.

World Trade Center 7 Report Puts 9/11 Conspiracy Theory to Rest - Popular Mechanics

Have you read this article?

 

[Btodd]

Regardless of conspiracy theories or debunking theories, explain the collapse of WTC 7. this is the fulcrum upon which the whole "inside job" proponents turns.

How does the whole conspiracy rest on WTC7? If it were a demolition, what did that 'do' for the conspiracy? What purpose would there have been in demolishing an empty building, hours after the Twin Towers had already collapsed?

Not to mention a host of other problems (it was magically silent, the firefighters had already said the building would collapse, meaning they would have to be 'in on it', etc.)


Btodd

 

[Vylo]

illuminati mastermind1: haha, our great plan to demolish building WTC 7 has succeeded, no one will ever know we were behind the destruction of this great iconic building!

illuminati mastermind2: what is WTC 7?

 

[Yoder777]

What I find the most frustrating about 9/11 conspiracy theorists is that they are repeating the same tired arguments that were refuted ten years ago, and yet they still refuse to hear any of the experts because they must be in on the coverup. It so much reminds me of young earth creationism in that sense, or any other kind of religious fundamentalism.

 

[ManFromUncle]

What I find the most frustrating about 9/11 conspiracy theorists is that they are repeating the same tired arguments that were refuted ten years ago, and yet they still refuse to hear any of the experts because they must be in on the coverup. It so much reminds me of young earth creationism in that sense, or any other kind of religious fundamentalism.

LOL it is exactly the opposite. In this case you cannot dispute the physics proven by Galileo which indicates that the official story is impossible. It is the official story which maintains the equivalent of "the Earth is flat." Ironically, that was still being disputed at around the time of Galileo.

 

[Subduction Zone]

LOL it is exactly the opposite. In this case you cannot dispute the physics proven by Galileo which indicates that the official story is impossible. It is the official story which maintains the equivalent of "the Earth is flat." Ironically, that was still being disputed at around the time of Galileo.

Only if you strawman the official story. And have you noted that the "official story" is also the story of countless engineering students that have investigated this? Debunking the foul lies of the Troofers is usually as easy as debunking the "science" of creationists.

 

[ManFromUncle]

Only if you strawman the official story. And have you noted that the "official story" is also the story of countless engineering students that have investigated this? Debunking the foul lies of the Troofers is usually as easy as debunking the "science" of creationists.

All you ever say is "everything has been debunked" while never debunking anything. Ok. So debunk how a mass can fall at virtual free-fall acceleration through a steel frame. All you have is name calling. Put your money where your mouth is. Free fall acceleration is the speed a mass falls through thin air, gaining a speed of 10 meters per second per second, in case you don't know.

Here's a hint. It cannot, unless it is falling through thin air. That would mean a frame cut to pieces from the inside, which is the definition of a demolition. Now we compare that to visual evidence. Exactly what we see.

How it Was Done: 9/11 and the Science of Building Demolition | Peace . Gold . LOVE

Cut Steel Being Hurled Laterally at Speeds up to 80 MPH
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[Btodd]

So if I understand correctly, then the columns and debris cloud, BOTH of which are falling faster than the collapse...are falling at FASTER than free fall speed? Did they have little rockets attached to them, pushing them toward the ground faster than gravity...

...or are you making strawman arguments about free fall again?



Btodd

 

[bhsmte]

Is it wrap your head, or bury your head?

 

[Subduction Zone]

All you ever say is "everything has been debunked" while never debunking anything. Ok. So debunk how a mass can fall at virtual free-fall acceleration through a steel frame. All you have is name calling. Put your money where your mouth is. Free fall acceleration is the speed a mass falls through thin air, gaining a speed of 10 meters per second per second, in case you don't know.

Here's a hint. It cannot, unless it is falling through thin air. That would mean a frame cut to pieces from the inside, which is the definition of a demolition. Now we compare that to visual evidence. Exactly what we see.

How it Was Done: 9/11 and the Science of Building Demolition | Peace . Gold . LOVE

Cut Steel Being Hurled Laterally at Speeds up to 80 MPH
[youtube]cBTGMhRT_p0[/youtube]