Feminism is not compatible with Christianity?

Yeah...those "bible-believing" Christians who march in lockstep seem to have overlooked my favorite passage of scripture, Matthew 25:31-46. Either that or they rationalize it by saying its not the government's job. What's even worse is the rationalization of not helping those who need it because they are addicts, gay or any one of a thousand rationalizations...

Oh, and you don't know how much I wish I could sit and have coffee with @ValleyGal and @mkgal1

RedPonyDriver said:

Great definition! Thank you Lord for dictionaries. I find it funny that some insist on the "plain meaning" of one book but "interpret" another.

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(snickers) Good point!

Speaking of interpretation...I once wrote a rather long document regarding a certain project I was involved in. I quoted part of it to a supervisor to explain that he had violated the procedure. He told me it was "open to interpretation". Imagine the look on his face when I informed him I had written it and it was not.

RedPonyDriver said:

Great definition! Thank you Lord for dictionaries. I find it funny that some insist on the "plain meaning" of one book but "interpret" another.

Personally, I have yet to understand why being a "liberal" is such a bad thing...case in point...the "conservatives" in the Michigan legislature just passed a bill making certain sex acts illegal...yet have done nothing for the people of Flint who have water that will kill them. Anybody else think of Nero and the burning of Rome here?

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Probably not a priority because the state officials had a private water supply and weren't impacted the way the other Flint residents were.

And SCOTUS has been ticking off both sides of the aisle for years because the laws of this nation are subject to their interpretation. Certain ministers interpret scriptures and lead people away from Heaven.

HannahT said:

Politicians in general do this too. Popular culture? Yep, them as well.

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Agreed.

In the case of feminism, I find it is mostly anti-feminists who insist that feminism is about hating men. I supposed it's much harder to justify being anti-feminist once you've admitted that feminism is about equality...

HannahT said:

I don't do labels. They are too fluid along with definitions today.

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I feel I owe it to the women who paved the way for me, to own the label. Other woman gave up so much in the fight, and because of their efforts and sacrifices, I've never had to lift a finger to fight for equality. I simply get to exercise the rights they fought to achieve. How ungrateful would it be for me to now disown the movement that enabled me to live the life I love?

How many of you men out there enjoy seeing your wife in a nice pair if jeans or slacks?
I do. I also like to see her in a nice dress. I also enjoy seeing her without any jeans or a dress!!!!!!


How many of you have wives with a cute short haircut?
Now my wife has a short haircut but she used to have hair almost to her waist. I like them both.


How many of you have wives who work outside the home?
My wife worked outside the home and I helped convince her to do so. She worked for 26 years, long enough to get a retirement check and then she retired. I like it better now that she is retired and home but she helped to get us financially secure when she worked. She wants me to double her work years because she likes having full control of the house when I am gone. I plan on working for at least 48 years so I can pay for my new office and kitchen home addition that I build for ME!! We are both happy about this arrangement!


How many of you have wives who vote and support her right to vote?
My wife and I vote in every election and sometimes we vote differently.


How many of you have wives who drive their own car?
We have three cars; mine, hers, and ours.



How many of your wives pay the family bills?
I pay some bills and my wife pays some bills


How many of you enjoy taking your wife to a ball game or some other traditionally "male" activity?
I took her to watch the Super bowl last Sunday but we rooted for opposite teams. I was a Denver fan and she is a Panther fan. She likes the Panthers because Stephen Curry (SF Warriors professional basketball player) is a huge Panther fan. She really likes Stephen because he is a good man and is cute! I am now a SF-Warrior fan also! I like Stephen because he is a good man and can shoot 3-pointers like crazy. Yes, I know he is cute but that does not do a whole lot for me!



Do you really and honestly want a wife who is dainty, wears a dress, bakes and cooks from scratch, does nothing but cook and clean and raise babies, never participates in your hobbies, can't drive a car or own her own property or have the right to vote or express her opinion?
I never knew any woman like that so I have not given that any thought.



Do you really want a wife who will just always give in to your command at all times?
No, because I am not going to give into her commands at all times

. Actually, I cannot think of any commands that we give each other. However, we both are trying to give our new dog commands but he ignores us.


Feminism is not compatible with Christianity?
My wife and I have never had a discussion about feminism and have not given it much thought. However, my wife and I are content with each other and we are compatible with Christianity.

@sdmsanjose - you sound like my husband except he tries to give the cats commands and they just keep doing whatever they were doing.

squirrel123 said:

In the case of feminism, I find it is mostly anti-feminists who insist that feminism is about hating men. I supposed it's much harder to justify being anti-feminist once you've admitted that feminism is about equality...

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I am an anti-feminist.
But according to the definition(s) you all are using, a case could be made that I AM a feminist. (which I am NOT):

I am absolutely for equal rights, equal pay, equal opportunity for women and men. I am also for biblical morality. (I do not find those positions incompatible)
I also lean toward the "every woman is a victim and every male is an abuser" moniker promoted by some. I can be very hard on men (including myself); hard enough that on occasion women have said I am being too harsh. But that does NOT make me a feminist.

One thing you need to know about dictionaries: they only define words according to usage. That means they change definitions over time; sometimes as little time as every 5 years.

So I tend to go with definitions from decades back. Or I go back to the etymological roots of the word (greek, latin, germanic, anglo-saxon, etc.) and define the word from there.

The definition of "feminism" used here seems to be a very modern version of the word.

Stan! Hi! Nice to see you again! Oh, and by the way, have I ever told you you're awesome? We got a puppy for Christmas, and we, too are trying to teach him commands. Some easier than others. I'm not quite sure how to get him to bring me the leash when he needs to go outside or go pee on command, though.

Definitions.... I'm not sure why this is still such a struggle on this thread. The feminists on this thread have agreed numerous times on a definition here, and it boils down to full social and economic equality with men. We are not man-hating, baby-killing bulldozers who will stop at nothing to get what we think we're entitled to that men aren't.

Every movement will have its radicals who take the movement too far. For feminists, it's those who are most vocal - the ones who think men are only good for two things - providing more girl babies and being the target of all our wrath. In the same way, there is the MRA with their own version of radicals - the AYM. In the same way, there are Muslims with their own radicals - ISIS. In the same way, there are the Christians with those who freak out if anything non-Christian dares to cross their threshold, blow up abortion clinics, etc.

Just because feminism has their own radicals does not take away from the fact that anyone who supports women's equality in society is actually supporting feminism, whether you choose to self-identify or not.

sdmsanjose said:

When I try and give them commands they look at me like I am bothering them, then they blink their eyes a few times, turn their back on me, and walk away!

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Ya got the wrong kind of cat.

Siamese were bred to be able to take and obey orders. They were originally attack cats in the palace of the king of Siam (Thailand, Malaysia) that sat on small platforms above all the entrances and would attack anyone they did not recognize. I have heard that Bengals can be similarly trained.

squirrel123 said:

I feel I owe it to the women who paved the way for me, to own the label. Other woman gave up so much in the fight, and because of their efforts and sacrifices, I've never had to lift a finger to fight for equality. I simply get to exercise the rights they fought to achieve. How ungrateful would it be for me to now disown the movement that enabled me to live the life I love?

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I don't feel I'm disowning anything honestly. I grew up during the period of 60's. I have done some of the work myself - along with mother. I remember getting fired when I asked for a decent salary, and they didn't want to give to me due to gender. They were very upfront about that too. There is still work to do, but things have changed thankfully.

I have no problem saying I support women's equality. I'm more for freedom of choices to do what you wish. I believe in callings, and people need to get out of the way of that. I tell the legalistic people when it comes to that to get lost when it comes to that discussion - as in anti male, man hater and all that silly stuff. Their a waste of brain space. If they want to have a rational discussion? That's one thing, but they cherry pick and just want to fight. They aren't capable of rational discussion. They like their fear, and you can't do much for them.

I also don't support the loons out there today either - certain circles of feminism. They get the media buzz, but they aren't the majority. Although from discussions you would think so, and today they allow them to own the power of discussion. The loons support issues that harm society, but claim they support women.

I'm disowning what some do and support in the name of feminism - when it is not feminism at all. The movement isn't what it was in the day. Labels are to fluid, and change to often.

This isn't the only label that changes either. People don't want to stick to the dictionary definition, nor the spirit of it.

Our society is doing the same thing to the word racism - for one example. They way they use it today? You realize they truly have no clue what it means, and they hurt those victims of it because they take the sting out of the word. Yes, we were active in the civil acts marches growing up too. When you take the sting out of it? You hurt the victims of racism, because people don't get the true impact anymore. They should be ashamed, but they aren't.

HannahT said:

The loons support issues that harm society, but claim they support women.
I'm disowning what some do and support in the name of feminism - when it is not feminism at all.

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Then what is YOUR name (if not feminism) for the "loons?"

HannahT said:

People don't want to stick to the dictionary definition, nor the spirit of it.
Our society is doing the same thing to the word racism - for one example.

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And in another year or 2 you will see the common usage pop up as the prime definition in new dictionary editions.

squirrel123 said:

In the case of feminism, I find it is mostly anti-feminists who insist that feminism is about hating men. I supposed it's much harder to justify being anti-feminist once you've admitted that feminism is about equality...

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Their hate blinds them. Their minds are shut, and you can't have rational discussions with those types. They don't care.

Women wanted the opportunities to do things - like college, career, etc. It doesn't mean they will do it - just want the opportunity. I remember a time in which my mother applied for a gas station card, because she and dad used them all the time. They required dad's permission to get credit - even when mother had the means to pay for it.

We had a neighbor - and the kids - that were rocked regularly by alcoholism and domestic violence. It was a family matter, and help wasn't needed. They just needed to deal. The actions of that household were NOT illegal then. They were sweep under the carpet with whispers of that poor woman.

You needed a dude in charge to cosign for property, and what not.

I've told this silly story before, but I wasn't allowed to play baseball - or any sport unless girly - due to my gender. I played with the boys off the field, and kicked their butts...yet legally it wasn't allowed ON the field.

Today, you still hear people claim that education for females is a waste of money. Why? She will be a housewife anyway. If her husband is killed? Well - God will find a way. Her family made to step up at times, because she has no means to support herself.

Change was needed. The world was changing too. At the time it scared both genders, but many stayed open minded. Change is scary. I mean this was HUGE! We didn't go as far as some during that time in history, because we didn't see the purpose. The spirit of the movement was within us though.

Today, people throw out stereotypes with their labels. If you are a feminist you hate men. They would much rather you defend yourself - as in showing how you don't - compared to discussing equality. They would much rather throw out the horror stories than discuss the realities for most. They remind me of the men and women back in the day who were scared to death of equality - and were closed minded. Thankfully, much of those like minded people are outnumbered.

DaveW-Ohev said:

Then what is YOUR name (if not feminism) for the "loons?"

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They are extremists in my mind. Sadly, they stole the word feminism IMO.

DaveW-Ohev said:

And in another year or 2 you will see the common usage pop up as the prime definition in new dictionary editions.

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I hope not. They need to come up with their own term - goodness knows they do dream them up now.