Your pastor and his wife

Goodbook · Nov 25, 2015

Oh ok.
I think of my pastor as the husband and since his wife has gone to be with the Lord I don't think of his wife as my pastor. But if she were still here maybe I would call her the pastor/shepherdess. I don't know..it could be that way you see a female pastor as leading as you yourself are female. My pastors wife trained as nurse and still did that job up until she couldn't so, she did not give up nursing to be pastoring, whereas her husband did give up his policemans role to pastor the church. Also, he studied and got ordained wheres I don't think his wife studied, I mean at a bible college or anything like that.

So it might be different scenarios now. I think maybe you could start a separate thread on that. I mean there's room on this forum, we don't need to be divisive about this.

Goodbook · Nov 25, 2015

It seems like a lot of people posting here have parents who are also pastors in their church.
I mean makes sense as parents are kind of like pastors. But for people who don't have christian parents like me I guess we look to pastors to take that role of looking after our spiritual wellbeing. Or elders within the church.
That does mean though we are not as close as a blood son or daughter would be, but I think that..we still look to them for practical guidance. I mean a pastor would look after a much bigger family than his own household.

Goodbook · Nov 25, 2015

i was just thinking that pastors I thought to be male, as that's all I've known within churches, it was like how medical Doctors were mostly male till the last few decades when women started entering the profession and I must say I feel more comfortable going to a female doctor than a male one. But that's because I myself am female.

I don't know that a male would be more comfortable talking with a female doctor over issues relating to their gender. So I think maybe that's why you might get resistance to a female pastor. Even though we not meant to be male or female in christ, nor jew or greek.

But I think the reality is that women do need guidance on things relating to women's issues that they cannot get from men. And vice versa. Although it is good to have a male perspective (as a female) and I naturally look to males for leadership as I think without that my brothers in the congregation would be missing out, and I also would be missing out if it was just women leading. Often its because men are absent and abdicating their roles. Ideally it ought to be a pastoral team I think.

of course God will give us pastors to look after us irrespective of educational qualifications , degrees, etc. But I'm just saying that on face of it, a pastor could have a spouse and his or her other half not in that pastoral role in the church.

sorry just thinking out loud.

The Portuguese Baptist · Nov 25, 2015

Butterfly99 said:
Well our church is standing room only most Sundays so folks who have that attitude sure do help us out by not taking up space in the pews.

Yes, I suppose that having to stand for an entire service is probably very uncomfortable! I'm glad to know that, if I were in your church, my leaving it would help you guys out!

baptist4life · Nov 25, 2015

Lots of people attending doesn't necessarily equal a Biblical church. Full pews doesn't equal sound doctrine. In most cases, it's just the opposite actually. There are lots of large congregations in un-Biblical churches. Scripture says something about "sound doctrine" and "itching ears" - 2 Timothy 4:3-4. Plenty of "full" churches like that.

Female pastors are totally against the Word of God. Don't like me saying that? Well, I didn't. God did. 1 Timothy chpt. 3. Take it up with Him. I wouldn't attend a church with a female pastor because that church is clearly going against Scripture. Just no getting around that.

DawnStar · Nov 25, 2015

Goodbook said:
Sorry I don't know who Dawnstar is and I find those posts not very edifying.

Would you have wanted your youth pastor's wife to read the posts you made about her? I do not believe that she would have found them very edifying. Have you told her to her face that you do not believe she displays the same faith in His word as her husband does, as you stated to complete strangers on this forum? If you have not you are gossiping. Plain and simple.

1 Timothy 5:13 ESV
Besides that, they learn to be idlers, going about from house to house, and not only idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying what they should not.

DawnStar · Nov 25, 2015

nonaeroterraqueous said:
The situation could just as well have been purely hypothetical. Open communication is absolutely necessary for teaching and correction.

I do not believe it was hypothetical because it was not stated it was. Also in order for open communication to work you should be communicating with the person you have questions about or have problem with. Not talking about that person behind their back to complete strangers on an internet forum.

Saricharity · Nov 25, 2015

When did baptist churches start allowing women to be ordained?
How did they justify it and reconcile it with scripture being so clear against it?
I'm asking this sincerely.
The whole thing is so completely confusing to me.

The Portuguese Baptist · Nov 25, 2015

Saricharity said:
When did baptist churches start allowing women to be ordained?

Probably when liberals and feminists began invading the church, I suppose. The believers, exposed to the world's unbiblical ideas, became infected with them and reflected them inside the church — either failing to realise that these ideas were unbiblical, or inventing excuses to justify their actions in light of the Bible.

Imagine yourself one hundred years ago: women have no value in society, are not allowed to vote, can only do menial jobs, get paid less, and become absolutely dependent on their husbands for a living. Terrible! Begin to move a few decades forward, and you will see that some women are revolting against such discrimination, insisting that there is no reason for them to be treated with fewer legal rights than men, and demanding legal equality: equal pay, equal access to education, equal right to vote... So far, so good! This is biblical, and many people in your church (including you) support feminism.

But then, a few decades afterwards, when things are coming to a greater balance, you begin to notice that the idea of ‘gender equality’, which was biblical at first, is being misunderstood my most activists. Now, they want more than just legal equality: they want equality in marriage and equality in church leadership. The women now want to be granted as much decision-making power within their marriages as their husbands; many of the believers at your church, who had become feminists decades before and who fail to realise that the new things which feminists are fighting for are unbiblical, remain feminists and bring these ideas to church. Then, the ‘equality’ keyword continues to be held in high esteem by them so much that they see no reason to prevent any woman from becoming a pastor, just like men.

And that is it! It all started with a bunch of believers too careless to defend themselves against the world's unbiblical ideas. Of course the ordination of women is not the only problem! Then you have also Theistic Evolution, the denial of biblical inerrancy... (sigh) And, now, this is the kind of church we have!

Saricharity said:
How did they justify it and reconcile it with scripture being so clear against it?

I have read that they believe that Paul's instructions only applied to the first-century church, and not to us. Sounds pretty ridiculous to me — a lot like, ‘I don't like it, so I don't care’!

If you want to read a few more of the faulty arguments they use, I recommend: http://www.gotquestions.org/women-pastors.html.

Saricharity · Nov 25, 2015

The Portuguese Baptist said:
And that is it! It all started with a bunch of believers too careless to defend themselves against the world's unbiblical ideas. Of course the ordination of women is not the only problem! Then you have also Theistic Evolution, the denial of biblical inerrancy... (sigh) And, now, this is the kind of church we have!

Are there baptist churches that also believe in theistic evolution? :swoon:

The denial of biblical inerrancy? :swoon:

I'm so grateful that I've grown up grounded in scripture. I have no confusion and have a very firm foundation in my beliefs. I'm so thankful for that.
It is no wonder so many evangelical pastors are striving to escape the baptist label when they see it with such watered down and liberal theology.

Thanks for the link to got questions...I will check it out later. Still pretty sick and sick of being sick....gone through two boxes of Kleenex!!
:dead:

I'm having too much fun with smilies today. :bye:

Goodbook · Nov 25, 2015

I dont know when they started ordainig women officially i think lots of churches have started doing that now not just baptist. All I know is that one of the members in my church studied to be a minister and was ordained and is leaving to be a youth pastor in another church. She is married with one young child, a girl.

It could be the influence of feminism which has trickled down. Not sure what to think about that really am not entirely comfortable with it personally. I mean not for her sake I think its great shes on fire for God. But her husband...?

Note that priscilla and aquila were leaders on the early church but they were a team.

Goodbook · Nov 25, 2015

This made me think of a girl I knew in highschool who i was quite good friends with, her parents were BOTH doctors. She grew up athiest. And also with the belief that women could achieve just as much as men. But it does seem to me she was very insecure when I knew her. I dont know what shes doing now, apparenly something to do with genetics research.

Another girl in highschool, a christian, her dad was the associate pastor and his wife was a nurse. She ended up marrying a guy who was also a pastor. She studied occupational therapy but gave up her job to be full time mum of two or maybe three children.

Goodbook · Nov 25, 2015

I just think ok its good to be a pastor but if you got young children you cannot neglect them in favour of everyone else. And thats where I think mums being pastors it would be difficult but not impossibke to juggle that around. Yes the dad can also look after the children but I think men being the childcarers and that being their sole role could be emasculating.

Sometimes those roles are swapped but...I just think that is not the way God designed it.
You end up with the wife telling the husband what to do all the time and he being henpecked like ahab and jezebel.

I know in my own self that that is not the way God wants us women to be..resenting men for their lack of leadership. Trying to take on burdens that will become to heavy for us. Maybe not now, but later...

Goodbook · Nov 25, 2015

A very intersting dynamic I was reading about a presbyterian christian couple thats well known the schaeffers. Edith and frank. Edith was actually the dominant one in the relationship and was the leader. Their beliefs, tempered by the presy churches calvinsm, made for a sort of dysfunctional christian family, if the evidence from their son Franky is anything to go by.
He is now orthodox, and wavers between belief and unbelief.

The Portuguese Baptist · Nov 25, 2015

Saricharity said:
Are there baptist churches that also believe in theistic evolution?
The denial of biblical inerrancy?
I'm so grateful that I've grown up grounded in scripture. I have no confusion and have a very firm foundation in my beliefs. I'm so thankful for that.
It is no wonder so many evangelical pastors are striving to escape the baptist label when they see it with such watered down and liberal theology.

Thanks for the link to got questions...I will check it out later. Still pretty sick and sick of being sick....gone through two boxes of Kleenex!!

I'm having too much fun with smilies today.

Evolutionist Baptists? Apparently, yes: 98cwitr is one of them, so I know they exist.

Baptists denying the infallibility of the Bible? Hopefully not! That goes explicitly against the 1689 London Baptist Statement of Faith, which begins right with: ‘The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain, and infallible rule of all saving Knowledge, Faith and Obedience [...]’; it goes on to say: ‘[...] our full perswasion, and assurance of the infallible truth, and divine authority thereof, is from the inward work of the Holy Spirit, bearing witness by and with the Word in our Hearts.’ It also says, very interestingly: ‘The infallible rule of interpretation of Scripture is the Scripture it self: And therefore when there is a question about the true and full sense of any Scripture (which is not manifold but one) it must be searched by other places that speak more clearly.’ (Quotes from http://www.ccel.org/creeds/bcf/bcfc01.htm#chapter1) The Bible has only one possibly correct interpretation; it is infallibly true.

In my church, the ‘Baptist’ label is respected, and I love this name, for it has a great tradition of holding the Bible in high esteem and submitting to its authority. Nevertheless, even if this name is corrupted, at the end, it is not the name ‘Baptist’ that will save me, but rather the name ‘Christian’. Even if this denomination becomes corrupted with liberal theology... Well... Do you know any denomination that is not prone to this? Even Pope Francis wants homosexuals to join the Catholic church as well now! I will keep holding on to the value which the first Baptists fought for and proudly calling myself a Baptist — and, if anyone decides to misuse the label ‘Baptist’, who cares? I have got better things to worry about! Similarly, I am not ashamed of calling myself a Christian, even though this name too is being corrupted with false theology: I just hold to the values defended by Christ and his apostles, and I've got better things to worry about than whether other guys are misusing this name.

I have been praying for your sickness, and I will keep on praying!

God bless you!

Saricharity · Nov 25, 2015

Thanks for praying

I've always been proud to call myself a Christian until I came to this forum and started reading what people who identified as Christians were posting. Now I don't want to be identified with that at all! In my heart, I am a Christian. I'm a follower of Christ. I hold strong to Gods Word and will forever speak up for its' inerrancy.

How does one believe in the inerrancy of scripture and believe in theistic evolution? :scratch:

98cwitr · Nov 25, 2015

and we're off topic...again. My fault I suppose. Sorry!

Butterfly99 · Nov 25, 2015

Butterfly99 · Nov 25, 2015

98cwitr said:
and we're off topic...again. My fault I suppose. Sorry!

Well what you wrote originally helped my heart more than you know. Wish you hadn't taken it out.

Butterfly99 · Nov 25, 2015

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