Indigenous Peoples Day/Columbus Day?

mmksparbud said:

LOL---you seen some of these Christian TV Evangelists doing their healing thing??--They come rolling up in wheel chairs, canes, sun glasses for the blind, he slaps them on the forehead and screams "Heal"--and they jump up and down and writhe on the floor and then get up and are healed!! ---Beats dancing around the fire??---I don't know, fires are so romantic

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I don't know, this is pretty awesome:

Bible Page said:

Repeatedly referring to genocide doesn't make actual history rearrange itself. The Genocide occurred due to diseases spread among those who did not have the immune system to fight off the virus and bacteria introduced.

Genocide=noun-the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group.

The very definition revokes your accusation against Europeans. A people who suffered the ravages of the black plague that was brought from China and spread across Europe by rats. Rats that were on ships that traveled to China and the trade routes wherein the plague spread to all ports wherein plague rats disembarked and made their way into the communities.
Was that genocide?

The rats proliferated in parts of Europe because cats were slaughtered under order of the church in many places and therein were not the predators that would have decimated the rat population had they lived and not been targeted instead for being labeled "witches familiars" .
And no, no citation is coming. Just like nothing of proof accompanies your remarks against Europeans. Even when proofs that genocide is not a relevant term to apply when speaking of the European and others arrival in north America.

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I'm not just shooting my mouth off when I speak of genocide. Here are some quotes fromnoted historians and a quote from"The Encyclopidia of Genocide and the National Council of Churches:

Thus, according to Ward Churchill, a professor of ethnic studies at the University of Colorado, the reduction of the North American Indian population from an estimated 12 million in 1500 to barely 237,000 in 1900 represents a"vast genocide . . . , the most sustained on record." By the end of the 19th century, writes David E. Stannard, a historian at the University of Hawaii, native Americans had undergone the"worst human holocaust the world had ever witnessed, roaring across two continents non-stop for four centuries and consuming the lives of countless tens of millions of people." In the judgment of Lenore A. Stiffarm and Phil Lane, Jr.,"there can be no more monumental example of sustained genocide—certainly none involving a 'race' of people as broad and complex as this—anywhere in the annals of human history." - See more at: http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/7302#sthash.E42l7pdU.dpuf

Further accusations of genocide marked the run-up to the 1992 quincentenary of the landing of Columbus. The National Council of Churches adopted a resolution branding this event"an invasion" that resulted in the"slavery and genocide of native people." In a widely read book, The Conquest of Paradise (1990), Kirkpatrick Sale charged the English and their American successors with pursuing a policy of extermination that had continued unabated for four centuries. Later works have followed suit. In the 1999 Encyclopedia of Genocide, edited by the scholar Israel Charny, an article by Ward Churchill argues that extermination was the"express objective" of the U.S. government. To the Cambodia expert Ben Kiernan, similarly, genocide is the"only appropriate way" to describe how white settlers treated the Indians. And so forth. - See more at: http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/7302#sthash.E42l7pdU.dpuf

Bible Page said:

Repeatedly referring to genocide doesn't make actual history rearrange itself. The Genocide occurred due to diseases spread among those who did not have the immune system to fight off the virus and bacteria introduced.

Genocide=noun-the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular nation or ethnic group.

The very definition revokes your accusation against Europeans. A people who suffered the ravages of the black plague that was brought from China and spread across Europe by rats. Rats that were on ships that traveled to China and the trade routes wherein the plague spread to all ports wherein plague rats disembarked and made their way into the communities.
Was that genocide?

The rats proliferated in parts of Europe because cats were slaughtered under order of the church in many places and therein were not the predators that would have decimated the rat population had they lived and not been targeted instead for being labeled "witches familiars" .
And no, no citation is coming. Just like nothing of proof accompanies your remarks against Europeans. Even when proofs that genocide is not a relevant term to apply when speaking of the European and others arrival in north America.

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Good post. Totally eviscerates the whole "Genocide" thing. Still waiting for all the "progressives" to protest Chinese New Year because of the plagues that wiped out some half of Europe.

Keep speaking truth to power. However, victimhood is an addictive form of hatred, so it may take time for the truth to break through.

More of THIS is needed.

There are suffering, cold, hungry, sick, weary souls, many are elderly, pregnant women, children, and babies, many without a warm roof over their head, or even a place to lay their weary heads:

KarateCowboy said:

Good post. Totally eviscerates the whole "Genocide" thing. Still waiting for all the "progressives" to protest Chinese New Year because of the plagues that wiped out some half of Europe.

Keep speaking truth to power. However, victimhood is an addictive form of hatred, so it may take time for the truth to break through.

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victimhood is an addictive form of hatred,

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I agree.

It becomes old.

Albion said:

Yes, you quoted it correctly but the words were someone else's and P was just engaging in satire or sarcasm by repeating them incredulously... The claim was the other poster's claim.

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You are absolutely correct. I totally misread the post and completely missed the question marks and the point. I apologize to Papias for that and to you for not taking your instruction the first time.

rturner76 said:

The native people didn't do anything near what the Europeans did as far as atrocities. I don't know how that ties in with politics but there it is. Is it Rightism that calls genocide liberation?

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rturner76 said:

I'm not just shooting my mouth off when I speak of genocide. Here are some quotes fromnoted historians and a quote from"The Encyclopidia of Genocide and the National Council of Churches:

Thus, according to Ward Churchill, a professor of ethnic studies at the University of Colorado, the reduction of the North American Indian population from an estimated 12 million in 1500 to barely 237,000 in 1900 represents a"vast genocide . . . , the most sustained on record." By the end of the 19th century, writes David E. Stannard, a historian at the University of Hawaii, native Americans had undergone the"worst human holocaust the world had ever witnessed, roaring across two continents non-stop for four centuries and consuming the lives of countless tens of millions of people." In the judgment of Lenore A. Stiffarm and Phil Lane, Jr.,"there can be no more monumental example of sustained genocide—certainly none involving a 'race' of people as broad and complex as this—anywhere in the annals of human history." - See more at: http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/7302#sthash.E42l7pdU.dpuf

Further accusations of genocide marked the run-up to the 1992 quincentenary of the landing of Columbus. The National Council of Churches adopted a resolution branding this event"an invasion" that resulted in the"slavery and genocide of native people." In a widely read book, The Conquest of Paradise (1990), Kirkpatrick Sale charged the English and their American successors with pursuing a policy of extermination that had continued unabated for four centuries. Later works have followed suit. In the 1999 Encyclopedia of Genocide, edited by the scholar Israel Charny, an article by Ward Churchill argues that extermination was the"express objective" of the U.S. government. To the Cambodia expert Ben Kiernan, similarly, genocide is the"only appropriate way" to describe how white settlers treated the Indians. And so forth. - See more at: http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/7302#sthash.E42l7pdU.dpuf

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Thank you for your post. I appreciate your efforts. Despite over 500 years of attempted annihilation and cultural genocide, my people are still here.

I wanted to share a video with you. It is especially important because it speaks of the historical and intergenerational trauma that NDNs still face today. It has helped me so much in the last few weeks, especially during the time when Serra was being canonized. I struggled with that. I would also like to say that righteous anger is not hatred.

rturner76 said:

The native people didn't do anything near what the Europeans did as far as atrocities. I don't know how that ties in with politics but there it is. Is it Rightism that calls genocide liberation?

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...and by your logic here we would have to say that Columbus didn't do anything near what the Native peoples did. Yet look at the ferocity of the outrage about him.

KarateCowboy said:

I don't know, this is pretty awesome:

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Cheaper by the gross--impressive! Puts those foolish primitive Indian healing dances with herbs all to shame, huh?

It does become hatred. The poor me syndrome withers the heart of the sufferer and the scope of their vision for cause expands as their heart and consciousness recedes.

Russell Means was the co-founder of AIM. American Indian Movement. He was an activist for his people, the Lakota, not Sioux because that word derived from the French invaders who were then calling Lakota, 'enemy'.

Russell was truly Lakota. Not someone who claims such and then joins communities of Christians so as to spread the withering virus of racial hatred and opposition to the way of life in their own homeland. To state red lives matter and then spit on white lives and people isn't activism. It's racist cancer.
And it also speaks against everything Russell knew and spoke for. "We are all one!"

A member of the tribes who does not know that is not a member of the tribes. Be aware also that the victim card is false in another way as well. The racism that plays itself out in communities like this, presumed by those who target such places to be primarily populated by white Christians, is also prone to assaulting tribal people as well.

Sounds impossible? How could someone who claims to be of the tribes assault tribal people? Because they're racists!
And the term that cleaves the tribes apart is, blood quantum!
How much native blood makes for a "real Indian".

Indigenous communities or activist groups. In that circle blood quantum among the tribal peoples is an argument that boils down to one thing. How much red blood is proof of true Indian blood ? We'll calculate the percentages and then tell you the number so you can be respected as Indian from the inside out!

Albion said:

...and by your logic here we would have to say that Columbus didn't do anything near what the Native peoples did. Yet look at the ferocity of the outrage about him.

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The logic then arrives as two sides arguing as to who killed more people?

Red Fox said:

Thank you for your post. I appreciate your efforts. Despite over 500 years of attempted annihilation and cultural genocide, my people are still here.

I wanted to share a video with you. It is especially important because it speaks of the historical and intergenerational trauma that NDNs still face today. It has helped me so much in the last few weeks, especially during the time when Serra was being canonized. I struggled with that. I would also like to say that righteous anger is not hatred.

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You are right, righteous anger is void of hate. It's an anger that is directed at what needs to be changed. And it is the impetus to change it. It's goal is to right wrongs, and even further to work towards reconciliation.

Jesus, Who you are familiar with, demonstrated and said what righteous anger is. He also had as His aim reconciliation and forgiveness of which we ALL are in desperate need of, as well as wisdom, discernment, and clarity.

You are absolutely right. There is NO hate of any kind in righteous anger/indignation.

I agree.

Yeshuas_My_Freedom said:

It does become hatred. The poor me syndrome withers the heart of the sufferer and the scope of their vision for cause expands as their heart and consciousness recedes.

Russell Means was the co-founder of AIM. American Indian Movement. He was an activist for his people, the Lakota, not Sioux because that word derived from the French invaders who were then calling Lakota, 'enemy'.

Russell was truly Lakota. Not someone who claims such and then joins communities of Christians so as to spread the withering virus of racial hatred and opposition to the way of life in their own homeland. To state red lives matter and then spit on white lives and people isn't activism. It's racist cancer.
And it also speaks against everything Russell knew and spoke for. "We are all one!"

A member of the tribes who does not know that is not a member of the tribes. Be aware also that the victim card is false in another way as well. The racism that plays itself out in communities like this, presumed by those who target such places to be primarily populated by white Christians, is also prone to assaulting tribal people as well.

Sounds impossible? How could someone who claims to be of the tribes assault tribal people? Because they're racists!
And the term that cleaves the tribes apart is, blood quantum!
How much native blood makes for a "real Indian".

Indigenous communities or activist groups. In that circle blood quantum among the tribal peoples is an argument that boils down to one thing. How much red blood is proof of true Indian blood ? We'll calculate the percentages and then tell you the number so you can be respected as Indian from the inside out!

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Thank you. Watching the video now.

Don't let this thread grow into hatred because hatred has entered in. Find your heart and the spirit for which this circle was named; Christ! Messiah! Anointed one.

Did Yeshua hate? Did Yeshua preach divide? Did the great Father of us all create a world for one color? For one tree? For one flower? With one ocean? The lifeblood of mother planet? Who is alive I can tell you. All by the will of creator.

Then why would we who bear the name of great Father's son, and carry forth his good news of becoming better than what we believe flesh allows, turn on each other over the colors of our skin? Even white people turn brown. Some first turn red and then soften to brown. All colors, all people, inhabiting one sphere under the sun.

When hate preaches is that God?
Or something else.

Yeshuas_My_Freedom said:

The logic then arrives as two sides arguing as to who killed more people?

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That's the thinking that I was responding to.

Papias said:

Calling the term "white fragility" racist itself demonstrates white fragility.

Papias

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That's cute, it's a textbook case of circular thinking.

brinny said:

You are right, righteous anger is void of hate. It's an anger that is directed at what needs to be changed. And it is the impetus to change it. It's goal is to right wrongs, and even further to work towards reconciliation.

Jesus, Who you are familiar with, demonstrated and said what righteous anger is. He also had as His aim reconciliation and forgiveness of which we ALL are in desperate need of, as well as wisdom, discernment, and clarity.

You are absolutely right. There is NO hate of any kind in righteous anger/indignation.

I agree.

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Despite the accusation, I do not hate anyone. I also do not blame any white person today for what happened to my ancestors in the past. I use to when I was younger, but not anymore. I use to hate and I use to allow my angry to rule over me. But there has been a lot of healing that has taken place in my life and I am no longer that person. However, I am righteously angry about what happened to my ancestors in this country. I am righteously angry at the blatant disrespect and disregard toward what they suffered and everything they lost. I am righteously angry at the attempted justification of the atrocities that were committed against them. I am righteously angry because of all the social and economic issues Native Americans still face today. I am righteously angry that suicide among native youth is the highest in this country. I am righteously angry because of all the racial discrimination and stereotypes that seek to exploit my people and our culture. I am righteously angry because of overwhelming police brutality against Native Americans and the lack of news media coverage and public awareness. I am righteously angry because Native Americans are still being treated like second class citizens in our ancestral homeland. I am righteously angry that my heritage and my culture were stripped away and almost destroyed in the name of God and Christianity. I am righteously angry because people try to silence my voice when I speak up against all the struggles and social injustice Native Americans are still facing today. I am righteously angry because I am accused of hatred when all I want is for people to hear, to listen and to understand that Native Americans are still here and that we are not relics of the past. We are not mascots and our culture is not a trend for non-native people to exploit for profit or for social pleasure. I want to take a stand for my people and live a life that will make my ancestors proud. I want my children to know that they do not have to be ashamed to be Native American or to tell others that they are. I do not want them to feel ashamed of who they are as I once did or to deny their heritage as I once did. I want them to be proud of who they are and be proud of our people.

Yeshuas_My_Freedom said:

Don't let this thread grow into hatred because hatred has entered in. Find your heart and the spirit for which this circle was named; Christ! Messiah! Anointed one.

Did Yeshua hate? Did Yeshua preach divide? Did the great Father of us all create a world for one color? For one tree? For one flower? With one ocean? The lifeblood of mother planet? Who is alive I can tell you. All by the will of creator.

Then why would we who bear the name of great Father's son, and carry forth his good news of becoming better than what we believe flesh allows, turn on each other over the colors of our skin? Even white people turn brown. Some first turn red and then soften to brown. All colors, all people, inhabiting one sphere under the sun.

When hate preaches is that God?
Or something else.

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I agree about hatred.

Red Fox said:

Thank you for your post. I appreciate your efforts. Despite over 500 years of attempted annihilation and cultural genocide, my people are still here.

I wanted to share a video with you. It is especially important because it speaks of the historical and intergenerational trauma that NDNs still face today. It has helped me so much in the last few weeks, especially during the time when Serra was being canonized. I struggled with that. I would also like to say that righteous anger is not hatred.

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brinny said: ↑
You are right, righteous anger is void of hate. It's an anger that is directed at what needs to be changed. And it is the impetus to change it. It's goal is to right wrongs, and even further to work towards reconciliation.

Jesus, Who you are familiar with, demonstrated and said what righteous anger is. He also had as His aim reconciliation and forgiveness of which we ALL are in desperate need of, as well as wisdom, discernment, and clarity.

You are absolutely right. There is NO hate of any kind in righteous anger/indignation.

I agree.

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Red Fox said:

Despite the accusation, I do not hate anyone. I use to when I was younger, but not anymore. However, I am angry about what happened to my ancestors in this country. I am angry at the blatant disrespect and disregard toward what they suffered. I am angry at the attempted justification of the atrocities that were committed against them. I am angry because of all the social and economic issues Native Americans still face today. I am angry that suicide among native youth is the highest in this country. I am angry because of all the racial discrimination and stereotypes that seek to exploit my people and our culture. I am angry because of overwhelming police brutality against Native Americans and the lack of news media coverage and public awareness. I am angry because Native Americans are still being treated like second class citizens in our ancestral homeland. I am angry that my heritage and my culture were stripped away and almost destroyed in the name of God and Christianity. I am angry because people try to silence my voice when I speak up against all the struggles and social injustices Native Americans are still facing today. I am angry because I am accused of hatred when all I want is for people to hear, to listen and to understand that Native Americans are still here and that we are not relics of the past. We are not mascots and our culture is not a trend for non-native people to exploit for profit or for social pleasure. I want to take a stand for my people and live a life that will make my ancestors proud. I want my children to know that they do not have to be ashamed to be Native American or to tell others that they are. I do not want them to feel ashamed as I did or to deny their heritage as I once did.

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What accusation?

TerranceL said:

No it isn't. It's a reason for the mailman to take a day off and for the rest of us to wish we were federal employees.

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Ironically, that's all that Columbus Day amounts to for most Americans. This surely is the least celebrated of all federal holidays. But with all this attention being given to it, it might stage a little comeback.