With regard to Preterism, what then are the times we're living in now per the definition of full Pre

civilwarbuff · Oct 6, 2015

This question was asked in another thread and it was recommended that one be started just for this conversation. So, with thanks to heatedmonk who initially posed the question:
With regard to Preterism, what then are the times we're living in now per the definition of full Preterism and per the Preterist? What scripture supports your belief?

Definition: Preterism is a view in Christian eschatology which holds that some or all of the biblical prophecies concerning the Last Days refer to events which took place in the first century after Christ's birth, especially associated with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. The term preterism comes from the Latin praeter, meaning past, since this view deems certain biblical prophecies as past, or already fulfilled. Theopedia

Preterism as a Christian eschatological view interprets some (Partial Preterism) or all (Full Preterism) prophecies of the Bible as events which have already happened. This school of thought interprets the Book of Daniel as referring to events that happened in the second century BC, while seeing the prophecies of Revelation as events that happened in the first century AD. Preterism holds that Ancient Israel finds its continuation or fulfillment in the Christian church at the destruction of Jerusalem in AD 70. Wiki

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civilwarbuff · Oct 6, 2015

International Preterist Association (IPA)
Preterists believe that most or all of bible prophecy has already been fulfilled in Christ and the on-going expansion of His Kingdom.

The "Preterist" interpretation…is already represented in nearly all Protestant denominations and the Roman Church.
The final events of the redemptive drama came to pass in the first century within the apostles' generation (before A.D. 70).

Christ's kingdom is here now. Paradise has been restored in Christ (spiritually-speaking). We live in the Garden of Eden now (if we are in Christ), just as sure as we can know we have "eternal life." withchrist.org

Is this true, even if only in a spiritual sense? I don't believe so, nor do I see anything scripture to support it. Anyone else have an opinion?

Handmaid for Jesus · Oct 6, 2015

My opinion is I have never in my life viewed a more hopeless view of prophecy.

Justme · Oct 6, 2015

civilwarbuff said:
International Preterist Association (IPA)
Preterists believe that most or all of bible prophecy has already been fulfilled in Christ and the on-going expansion of His Kingdom.

The "Preterist" interpretation…is already represented in nearly all Protestant denominations and the Roman Church.
The final events of the redemptive drama came to pass in the first century within the apostles' generation (before A.D. 70).

Christ's kingdom is here now. Paradise has been restored in Christ (spiritually-speaking). We live in the Garden of Eden now (if we are in Christ), just as sure as we can know we have "eternal life." withchrist.org

Is this true, even if only in a spiritual sense? I don't believe so, nor do I see anything scripture to support it. Anyone else have an opinion?

The bible speaks of two ages, 'THIS' age and the age that came in 70 AD and the 'THIS' age ended here:
1 COR 10:11
11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come.

The KJV has the verse as:
1 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

The two ages are mentioned here:

Matt 12:32
Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Justme

civilwarbuff · Oct 6, 2015

Justme said:
The bible speaks of two ages, 'THIS' age and the age that came in 70 AD and the 'THIS' age ended here:
1 COR 10:11
11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come.

The KJV has the verse as:
1 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

The two ages are mentioned here:

Matt 12:32
Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Justme

OK, not really sure what that has to do with the OP.....

civilwarbuff · Oct 6, 2015

So, what do are these times called from a preterist view? Is this the kingdom of God on earth?....is it the millennial kingdom....?

Justme · Oct 6, 2015

civilwarbuff said:
OK, not really sure what that has to do with the OP.....

I answered this:

With regard to Preterism, what then are the times we're living in now per the definition of full Preterism and per the Preterist? What scripture supports your belief?

civilwarbuff · Oct 6, 2015

Justme said:
I answered this:

With regard to Preterism, what then are the times we're living in now per the definition of full Preterism and per the Preterist? What scripture supports your belief?

no, you just simply quoted.....not answered...

Justme · Oct 6, 2015

civilwarbuff said:
So, what do are these times called from a preterist view? Is this the kingdom of God on earth?....is it the millennial kingdom....?

I call it the age that come in 70 AD, the new heaven and earth, the fully established kingdom of God.
There is no such thing as a millenium KINGDOM. There is a 1000 (figuratively speaking) reign with Jesus but no millenium kingdom on earth...ever!

Justme · Oct 6, 2015

civilwarbuff said:
no, you just simply quoted.....not answered...

The answer was in post #5
Justme

Handmaid for Jesus · Oct 7, 2015

Justme said:
I call it the age that come in 70 AD, the new heaven and earth, the fully established kingdom of God.
There is no such thing as a millenium KINGDOM. There is a 1000 (figuratively speaking) reign with Jesus but no millenium kingdom on earth...ever!

See! I told you it was a hopeless view.

civilwarbuff · Oct 7, 2015

Handmaid for Jesus said:
See! I told you it was a hopeless view.

Yep you are right. Maybe that is why so many of them are negative and sarcastic about life...little/no hope in that belief.

Handmaid for Jesus · Oct 7, 2015

civilwarbuff said:
Yep you are right. Maybe that is why so many of them are negative and sarcastic about life...little/no hope in that belief.

Yes, that is what I figured also.

civilwarbuff · Oct 7, 2015

Handmaid for Jesus said:
Yes, that is what I figured also.

They are not much for defending their beliefs either....such as they are.

Justme · Oct 7, 2015

civilwarbuff said:
They are not much for defending their beliefs either....such as they are.

You may have missed this:

The bible speaks of two ages, 'THIS' age and the age that came in 70 AD and the 'THIS' age ended here:
1 COR 10:11
11 These things happened to them as examples and were written down as warnings for us, on whom the culmination of the ages has come.

The KJV has the verse as:
1 Now all these things happened unto them for examples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.

The two ages are mentioned here:

Matt 12:32
Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

Two ages, one ended n 70 AD , we are in the other one since then... The age to come includes eternal life, the last age had no eternal life. All of this came about at the last trump, COR 15:51 and 52. Since that time we achieve that eternal life in heaven at the moment of our biological death. Hebrews 9:27. We know it is instant because Martha, was one who would die after that last trump and Jesus told her she would never die. She would live earthly life until her physical death. She would physically die and immediately begin living the eternal heavenly life, 2 COR 5:1.

How do those bible verses defend what I said?

Justme

Notrash · Oct 10, 2015

In the end of revelation the kingdom was delivered to mankind.
We should be living in an age of reason based on and subordinate to the truths delivered by the creator.

The 'kingdom' of David/Solomon the kingdom of Jesus and is found in the person who gives himself to these truths, example, powers & frredoms as beliefs, doctrine & "way".

Sadly, the futurist church of Ireneous as well as judaistic perspectives in human govt hindered the growth of his Govt (Is 9:6) and kingdom, but there is hope for future generations!

xyz

robycop3 · Oct 14, 2015

Preterism, both full and partial, is phony as a Ford Corvette. Please read two ongoing threads here, whose titles begin with 'full preterism', to see some futile attempts to defend that false doctrine.

"HISTORY AND REALITY trump all preterist assertions."

Justme · Oct 15, 2015

robycop3 said:
Preterism, both full and partial, is phony as a Ford Corvette. Please read two ongoing threads here, whose titles begin with 'full preterism', to see some futile attempts to defend that false doctrine.

"HISTORY AND REALITY trump all preterist assertions."

Perhaps as people read the threads , they can read what you have to poo poo the whole idea of preterism. The preterist interpretation does not agree with your personal story of what the bible says.... therefore preterism is wrong. NO, there are things which happen in the spiritual realm and people of faith are aware of that....you are not.

Justme

robycop3 · Oct 16, 2015

Justme said:
Perhaps as people read the threads , they can read what you have to poo poo the whole idea of preterism. The preterist interpretation does not agree with your personal story of what the bible says.... therefore preterism is wrong. NO, there are things which happen in the spiritual realm and people of faith are aware of that....you are not.

Justme

There's a simple, unavoidable FACT-the prophesied events prets SAY have happened, have NOT yet happened. Prets can twist, squirm, write tall tales & fishing stories galore, but thei CANNOT change history and reality. therefore, many prets use one or both of the following false excuses:

1.) Jesus was using symbolic/allegorical language.

2.) "It happened in the spirit world."

Neither of those hippos will fly. First, Jesus was answering His disciples' questions in the Olivet Discourse, and the fact that what HAS cometa pass from that Discourse has been fulfilled LITERALLY, establishes the literalness of the whole Discourse. Next, the disciples didn't ask Him about events in the spirit world. which wouldn't be seen by them, nor have any effect upon events on earth.

Preterism is a false, man-made doctrine, made by inventing new meanings for certain Scriptures.

"HISTORY AND REALITY trump all preterist assertions."

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