What if your friend is a Trans?

Usually trans people are depressed if they feel they are in the wrong body. I just say support her, if it makes her happy then that all that matters. She should do whatever makes her happy. Give her all your love and support because she seems determined about who she really is.

Pray for her to change her mind, and keep telling her that she is in the correct body. God has a plan in store for her. God is not stupid: if his plan for her required her to be a man, he would have created her as a man.

Do not forget that transsexualism is deeply associated with homosexuality, which is clearly forbidden in the Bible and classified as ‘detestable’ or an ‘abomination’ (Leviticus 18:22, Romans 1:18-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 and many more). And do not forget also that, as the Old Testament Law tells us, God hates transvestism, calling it also an ‘abomination’ (Deuteronomy 22:5).

Keep insisting that she may change her mind and recognise that she is perfect the way she is, show her these verses so she can see it is wrong, tell her God has a wonderful plan for her which requires her to stay the way she is, and keep on praying for her. I shall pray as well.

Thrash Metalhead said:

Usually trans people are depressed if they feel they are in the wrong body. I just say support her, if it makes her happy then that all that matters. She should do whatever makes her happy. Give her all your love and support because she seems determined about who she really is.

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This is good advice.

Thrash Metalhead said:

Usually trans people are depressed if they feel they are in the wrong body. I just say support her, if it makes her happy then that all that matters. She should do whatever makes her happy. Give her all your love and support because she seems determined about who she really is.

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Blue Wren said:

This is good advice.

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No, it isn't! Can you show me one Bible verse where it is said that God is OK with sex changes? I can show you many which say the opposite!

Do you really think ‘she should do whatever makes her happy’? Shouldn't she do whatever makes God happy? Shouldn't we all do that? Do we not have a cross to bear every day? Did not Paul have to bear a thorn in the flesh? Do not all things exist for the glory of God? Why should we rebel against his purpose in such a horrible manner?

Devin (Camary) Vaughn said:

amen to this, I personally think its just like homosexuality, and of coarse, an abomination. and what she wants to do is for herself, not for God, and not for others... only herself

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You are absolutely correct. God hates transsexualism, as the Bible tells us. If we think about it, even our very conscience tells us it's wrong: it is the same as telling God that he made something wrong (in fact, it's more than that: it's trying to ‘fix’ the alleged problem), which is essentially calling him incompetent, which is blasphemy, which is sin. We know that God is perfect in all his ways; and we know that we know virtually nothing when compared to what God knows — so who are we to say God made something wrong? As Isaiah 45:9-10 strongly puts it: ‘Woe to those who quarrel with their Maker, those who are nothing but potsherds among the potsherds on the ground. Does the clay say to the potter, “What are you making?”? Does your work say, “The potter has no hands”? Woe to the one who says to a father, “What have you begotten?” or to a mother, “What have you brought to birth?”’

If she feels she has been put in the wrong body, it is her mindset that needs to change, not her body. Tell her this, Devin. Confront her with the biblical truth and her own conscience about the issue of accusing God of wrongdoing. You said that you had looked it up and found that such a sex change could cause depression; confront her with that too. Finally, show her that God loves her the way she is and that he has an awesome plan for her. Meanwhile, keep on praying.

Follow Jesus' advice in Matthew 18:15-17. If you cannot convince her, get one or two friends and bring them with you, so that the two or three of you may confront her together. If she remains unconvinced, let the church confront her. Should she still remain willing to do it, tell her, ‘I rest my case; all you do now is at your responsibility’ and let her go.

Devin (Camary) Vaughn said:

amen to this, I personally think its just like homosexuality, and of coarse, an abomination. and what she wants to do is for herself, not for God, and not for others... only herself

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How is homosexuality the same as being transgender? I also wouldn't go so far to call them abominations. Doesn't God love all His people and wants the best for them?

If i were you, I will just tell her I love her (not in a romantic way). Just the way she is. I will let my heart speak: if she's depressed, she won't care of any theory or syllogism. A depressed person only needs sincerity. As a girl, I can also say we are perhaps more sensitive, and we perhaps just need kind words: when they come for the other gender, it helps us even more (I couldn't explain it, but you can believe me). Don't try to explain your point of view in a "scientific" way. Just ask her, "Do you really believe that God, or if you don't believe in him, your parents, missed their work with you? Do you really think they made a mistake? That God didn't know what he was doing while creating you?" And the most important: do not judge her, never. Pray for her, and tell her.

Thrash Metalhead said:

How is homosexuality the same as being transgender? I also wouldn't go so far to call them abominations. Doesn't God love all His people and wants the best for them?

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No-one said that being transsexual is the same as being homosexual. All that was said is that being transsexual is like being homosexual and that these concepts are related.

Think about it. If a girl thinks she is actually a boy and changes her body into that of her boy, in the eyes of God she is still a girl (when God made her a girl, he knew what he was doing). Therefore, if, thinking she is now a boy, she has sexual relations with girls, since she is still a girl in God's eyes, in God's eyes she is committing an act of homosexuality — which is a sin. As such, we can conclude that being transsexual can lead to being homosexual.

I would go as far as calling them ‘abominations’, because that was the exact word that God used (Leviticus 18:22 and Deuteronomy 22:5).

Yes, he loves all his people and wants the best for them. However: 1) homosexuals and transsexuals are not part of his people, unless they then convert to Christianity; and 2) the best for us is not the same as what we want — if you are a girl and want to become a boy, it is not because you want it that it is the best for you. The 9/11 terrorists wanted to kill 3000 Americans — but I think we can both agree that this was not good for anyone.

Can you show me one single Bible verse which is able to support your position that ‘[one] should do whatever makes [one] happy’?

The Portuguese Baptist said:

No-one said that being transsexual is the same as being homosexual. All that was said is that being transsexual is like being homosexual and that these concepts are related.

Think about it. If a girl thinks she is actually a boy and changes her body into that of her boy, in the eyes of God she is still a girl (when God made her a girl, he knew what he was doing). Therefore, if, thinking she is now a boy, she has sexual relations with girls, since she is still a girl in God's eyes, in God's eyes she is committing an act of homosexuality — which is a sin. As such, we can conclude that being transsexual can lead to being homosexual.

I would go as far as calling them ‘abominations’, because that was the exact word that God used (Leviticus 18:22 and Deuteronomy 22:5).

Yes, he loves all his people and wants the best for them. However: 1) homosexuals and transsexuals are not part of his people, unless they then convert to Christianity; and 2) the best for us is not the same as what we want — if you are a girl and want to become a boy, it is not because you want it that it is the best for you. The 9/11 terrorists wanted to kill 3000 Americans — but I think we can both agree that this was not good for anyone.

Can you show me one single Bible verse which is able to support your position that ‘[one] should do whatever makes [one] happy’?

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Look, I'm not looking for a debate but how would you know what God thinks about this other than the Bible?

Thrash Metalhead said:

Look, I'm not looking for a debate but how would you know what God thinks about this other than the Bible?

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What? ‘How would I know what God thinks about this other than the Bible?’ What do you mean? I have shown you five biblical passages that say what God thinks of this (and I can get more if you need them)! What do you mean by that question? Are you implying that only the Bible can tell us what God thinks about homosexuality and/or transsexualism? Because, if so, then I have already shown you what the Bible says about these two things (and I have logically demonstrated that they are related). So, we both agree on the authority of the Bible regarding God's mind; therefore, why can we not agree on the natural conclusion, which is that the Bible says that God despises homosexuality and transsexualism? Can you not be a bit more reasonable?

Now, what is your point? Do you have anything to refute my conclusion? Do you have any passage which says the opposite? Can you point any flaw in my arguments? If your answer to all of these questions is ‘no’, then why do you not just admit that you are wrong and have no case, and instead keep asking seemingly pointless questions like ‘How would you know what God thinks about this other than the Bible?’? Just admit you're wrong! Or else, if you answer ‘yes’ to any of these questions, why do you keep asking these pointless questions instead of just presenting your evidence? Show me what you have!

By the way, by definition, a debate is started when 1) someone says something (thus far, we only have a statement), 2) someone else, because he disagrees with the answer of the second person, explains why he disagrees (thus far, we only have an accusation) and 3) the first person explains why he disagrees with the second person's critique (only now, when both have spoken against each other's opinion, do we have a debate). Therefore, if you are not looking for a debate, you should not reply to my comments — otherwise, it will appear as if you really want a discussion. Debating is something that naturally occurs when two persons' opinions contradict each other, and it is not bad. However, if you really do not want a debate, just say nothing and it will not occur. (Saying you do not want a debate but simultaneously asking a question which challenges my view are two contradictory actions.) I will have rationally proven my case, whilst you will have looked ridiculous by believing in something which you cannot prove and which has been refuted — but it is still your choice!

The Portuguese Baptist said:

What? ‘How would I know what God thinks about this other than the Bible?’ What do you mean? I have shown you five biblical passages that say what God thinks of this (and I can get more if you need them)! What do you mean by that question?

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I'm saying that how could YOU know what God wants? How do you know what He's thinking because there's no way you know what His will is for everyone? Maybe He made them that way for a special reason. We don't know that.

Thrash Metalhead said:

I'm saying that how could YOU know what God wants? How do you know what He's thinking because there's no way you know what His will is for everyone? Maybe He made them that way for a special reason. We don't know that.

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What you have said now is true: there is no way for us to know what his will is for everyone. In fact, there is no way to know what his will is to anyone (except for us, when he tells us).

However, we can know what his will is not. How is that? Through the Bible. We know that God does not lie or contradict himself (Numbers 23:19; Romans 3:4). And we know that the Bible is the Word of God (2 Timothy 3:16; 2 Peter 1:21). Therefore, God will never contradict anything that is written in the Bible, and anything that the Bible says is true.

Therefore, if the Bible says that God abhors homosexuality and transsexualism, we can know that God does not want anyone to be homosexual or transsexual. And, since the Bible does say that God abhors homosexuality and transsexualism, therefore, we can finally conclude that God does not and will never want anyone to be homosexual or transsexual.

As such, even though I cannot know what God's plan is for that girl (nor have I ever intended to declare I knew), I can know for sure that God does not want her to change.

I insist that God is not stupid that he should create someone a girl and then expect her to change to a boy. This notion is ridiculous.

It is now my turn to ask you a couple of questions: How can you know that God wants that girl to change sex? Are you implying that, since she wants it, then God wants it? Are you implying that we always want for us the same things that God does? Do you think that is reasonable? Need I come up with a bunch more passages to prove that our will is different from God's will? (In order to show that I'm not trying to buy time, I shall now just leave you with one: Isaiah 55:9.)

And just a couple more: If you do believe that God wants her to change sex, how do you account for the contradiction you are creating when comparing your belief with the Bible?

The Portuguese Baptist said:

It is now my turn to ask you a couple of questions: How can you know that God wants that girl to change sex? Are you implying that, since she wants it, then God wants it? Are you implying that we always want for us the same things that God does? Do you think that is reasonable? Need I come up with a bunch more passages to prove that our will is different from God's will? (In order to show that I'm not trying to buy time, I shall now just leave you with one: Isaiah 55:9.)

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I don't know that and neither do any of us. Sometimes, we have to do things to make us feel happy and love ourselves more. Maybe God wants us to do it, maybe He doesn't. Just embrace the differences, man and live life to the fullest is all I have to say.

At least you tried... I'm sorry, my advice was wrong...

Thrash Metalhead said:

I don't know that and neither do any of us. Sometimes, we have to do things to make us feel happy and love ourselves more. Maybe God wants us to do it, maybe He doesn't. Just embrace the differences, man and live life to the fullest is all I have to say.

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You keep turning away from my arguments. I attacked your idea that God allows for transsexualism, I have proven you wrong, you have been unable to prove me wrong or to biblically support your case, and yet you do not admit that you are wrong!

Do we really have to do things that make us happy? Do we? Do we not instead have to do things that make God happy? Do we not have to obey his commands (John 15:9-10)? If what you want for your life differs from what God wants for your life, will you do you want? Really? Then why do you call yourself a Christian if you do not live like one? Have you never realised that the apostles never did what they truly wanted, but instead obeyed Jesus' command to go out into the world?

Do we really have to love ourselves more? Do we? Do we not have to love God more than ourselves (Matthew 22:37-39)? Think about what you have just said.

‘Maybe God wants us to do it, maybe he doesn't!’ Yeah! Let's just do whatever we feel like! If God likes it, great! If not, too bad! Who cares? (Do you really think that this mindset is reasonable, given that you call yourself a Christian?)

All in all, you need to understand that we cannot always do what we want. We must do what God wants, instead. Certainly, sometimes, we cannot tell what he wants for us, but we must seek his guidance at all times. We should delight in obeying the Lord (Psalms 1; Psalms 119). Nevertheless, in this situation, through the Bible, we can know exactly what he wants: he wants that girl to stay as she is, because God hates transsexualism (and I have already shown why we know this). Our conscience can tell us the same thing: it is wrong (and I have already shown that as well). Therefore, we must discourage her from committing this sinful act, not support it.

Thrash, this is my plea to you: think about what you are saying. Actually think about whether it really is reasonable for you to say that we should do whatever makes us happy. Think about how that life philosophy would impact your relationship with God. Please do not perceive this as an attack on you. Just think about the consequences of your idea and judge for yourself.