Are women unhappier than men...

4thWatch said:

I think modern society has had a negative effect on males. Women are taught they have choices, men are taught they have responsibilities. Males be they children or father figures are often shown in a negative light in most form of media.

Young men pick up on this, they see that they are valued less. Many young men have no father figure and never have an experience that welcomes them into manhood, a sort of ritual. Another odd thing happens, right at the point where the young man is puzzled about his place in the world the modern feminist (who has been telling him he's a rapist waiting to happen) then tells the young women that they have no value in their sexuality and that sex is like shaking hands.

So the young man is now doubly confused, he's got lots of responsibilities, yet he's not respected. The young ladies has lots of rights but their sexual self worth is zero.

I can give an example of something that happened to me in College, I was working on my masters degree in military history and living in the dorms. I approached a rather large, heavy door one evening and behind me were two young women. I opened the door and held it open for both, when the first arrived she said "If I wanted a man to hold a door open for me I'd get married" her friend was mortified and looked deeply ashamed. I looked her square in the eyes and said "your such a [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] you will be opening your own door for the rest of your life" at which point I let her friend in and closed the door in her face. (I ended up dating her friend and marrying her).

If young men who aren't strong, who don't have self worth, and who haven't been given the rules on being a man encounter this daily imagine how they feel?

In my expierence men who have eachother and a set of values including brotherhood can weather almost anything with a smile. Here's are a few pics of tough times, ugly places but smiles.
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Wow, what a tough guy you are!

seashale76 said:

Rubbish.

Unfortunately, throughout history and even today, there are some individuals (men and women both) that don't believe other people should have rights. They just want to throw platitudes at people as consolation prizes and/or go too far in gaining privileges for themselves and wanting to take rights away from other people.



Sure, plenty of people that advocate for equality do reject the feminist label (especially today) mostly due to aspects of the movement they disagree with/misandristic individuals that have seemingly hijacked things over the years/people like Rush Limbaugh helping to demonize the term and applying it to any woman he disagrees with. However, plenty of other people that advocate for equality do call themselves feminists because historically (even among conservative Christian groups), feminism meant advocating for equality (and they're going by the original intent behind the movement).

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I know that. I was just simply saying that being against feminsim is not the same as being against equality. No matter what the dictionary definition of feminism is. There are actually some feminists I quite admire and I respect their right to use the label, just don't force it on me.

MehGuy said:

I know that. I was just simply saying that being against feminsim is not the same as being against equality. No matter what the dictionary definition of feminism is. There are actually some feminists I quite admire and I respect their right to use the label, just don't force it on me.

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Fair enough.

miniverchivi said:

If a woman doesn't work, and is a stay at home wife, most people aren't going to think anything of it or treat her any differently as a result. If a man stayed home all day and lived off of his wife, he'd get the label of "loser" or "deadbeat"

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That is untrue, or at least it's not accurate..

Wives who don't work are not treated with the respect they once had. Especially by women who have to work along with their spouses. And even, sometimes, by stay at home mom's if the couple have no children.

Strathos said:

And yet atheists are some of the most sexist people around that it's even become a stereotype.

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Seriously? I've never heard this....where did you hear it?

Ana the Ist said:

Seriously? I've never heard this....where did you hear it?

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I've never heard this either.

I have. There are a segment of feminists who are trying to pass a narative that the atheist community has a huge sexism problem regarding women.

Strathos said:

What a massive strawman. Funny how you and the atheists both hold this misconception.

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Since when did you (or anyone else for that matter) speak for all atheists?

MehGuy said:

I have. There are a segment of feminists who are trying to pass a narative that the atheist community has a huge sexism problem regarding women.

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I don't suppose you could cite a source, post a link, or reference an example for me?

Ana the Ist said:

I don't suppose you could cite a source, post a link, or reference an example for me?

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I'm not sure how I can reference such a thing. The website freethoughtblogs contains some of those toxic people.

I'm not saying it's widespread, but I understand where he's getting the notion from.

MehGuy said:

I'm not sure how I can reference such a thing. The website freethoughtblogs contains some of those toxic people.

I'm not saying it's widespread, but I understand where he's getting the notion from.

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Yea...I think I've read some of the feminists on there. Don't they also have some who believe that even consensual sex with a man is rape? Or that marriage to a man is slavery?

Those fringe feminists give all feminists a bad name. Then again, it would be wrong IMO to judge them all by the crazy beliefs of a few.

Ana the Ist said:

Yea...I think I've read some of the feminists on there. Don't they also have some who believe that even consensual sex with a man is rape? Or that marriage to a man is slavery?

Those fringe feminists give all feminists a bad name. Then again, it would be wrong IMO to judge them all by the crazy beliefs of a few.

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I don't think anyone is that crazy there. The worst they probably say is that drunk sex is one sided. (if the women is drunk it's wrong, but it's ok if the man is drunk)

I'd say it's more than just fringe feminists giving the label a bad name. Honestly I don't pay much attention to the more extreme kind, because I do not think they're taken very seriously. It's the moderate ones with toxic ideas that worry me.

To much drama between the sex's. Once again the left is pitting groups against eachother that left to their own devices would balance out. This whole post started out asking if woman were unhappier than men. The way I see it few people are happy these days with the way things are working out.

We have forces working at pulling us apart because that's how cultural Marxism succeeds and voters are forced into blocks. We have professional victims creating permanent victim clubs to push politics into the home and everyday life. I'm just exhausted with modern culture I really want nothing to do with it.

My wife is amazingly strong, I admire so many things about her and love to help her achieve her goals. She has done the same for me, neither of us would get ahead if we ran our marriage like society currently works. When we got married we did so with mutual love and respect not to mention admiration for eachother.

I've raised my son to respect women, he's not at dating age yet but he's been taught that women are special and to be treated as he see's me treat his mother. We both still open doors, pull out chairs, carry bags and offer help so we are gentleman.

He also knows that when he is of dating age he is expected to be a gentleman in all things. I'm not kidding myself or him here we both know that men find women pleasing to look at, it is part of Gods plan. That being said he understands that treating a woman as a sexual object without first being married and loving her would is a non starter and that even then that lust must be born from love and needing her to be complete.

His mother is teaching him that women will need to love and respect him as well. It's a two way street, I've seen to many young men and young women treat eachother terribly. I do believe much of the way we see young people treat eachother these days stems from a lack of proper raising at home and negative messages from society.

Both sex's would be happier if they lived life willing to love and respect eachother. But we have groups who actively teach that love and respect are a weakness, what a terrible thing. If we all put half as much energy into loving and supporting eachother as we do worrying about ourselves and agendas created by victim creation groups the world would be a better place.

LOVEthroughINTELLECT said:

Again, my guess: a lot of unhappy men have killed themselves and therefore never have the opportunity to answer the question for anybody doing the study.

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And your guess is still bogus. With roughly 0,2% men killing themselves each year, there are still 98,8% of men left to answer the question why they are unhappy.
But, yes, if your actual point was merely: "A dead person cannot explain anything" that´s obviously accurate. And this is, of course, also true for those who died for other causes.

The way you go about trying to confirm your preconceptions strikes me as desperate.

quatona said:

So you define feminism as a neglectible fringe position? Why would you do that?

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Gloria Stienem, Jill Ireland, Robin Morgan et al, are NOT fringe people. They were the editors and leaders of MS Magazine and the National Organization for Women (NOW) which were the main voices of Feminism in the 1970s and 80s.

I am not and never will be sympathetic with anything feminist.
But some of the topics brought up here that pass off as "feminist" I AM in agreement with and sympathetic toward.
So they are NOT feminist, not really.

DaveW-Ohev said:

Gloria Stienem, Jill Ireland, Robin Morgan et al, are NOT fringe people. They were the editors and leaders of MS Magazine and the National Organization for Women (NOW) which were the main voices of Feminism in the 1970s and 80s.

I am not and never will be sympathetic with anything feminist.
But some of the topics brought up here that pass off as "feminist" I AM in agreement with and sympathetic toward.
So they are NOT feminist, not really.

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So you start from defining "feminist" as "everything I don´t agree with". Funny approach towards a phenomenon that has a lots of shades and a lot of different periods.
What you have in mind are "the most radical and militant feminist" positions of all times (hardly any real self-professing feminist actually agrees with).

It´s always a little problematic when a zealous opponent defines terms and erects veiled TrueScotsmen for others.

On another note, I think the choice of the term "feminism" was unfortunate back then - it has a sexist ring to it.

Well - those were the outspoken advocates of feminism when I first became aware of it. So they have defined it for me. And I pretty much was opposed to everything they were spouting.

Good christian wives were convinced by them that they needed to be free from the patriarchy of marriage so they divorced husbands they loved and became lesbians.

To be sure there were feminists more radical than those I quoted. There were some that jumped on the New Age Y2K bandwagon and said the way to get the human population back under 3 billion was to kill off all the men. They believed that if the population was not lowered before Y2K, Gaea herself would kill all humans off. They were putting pressure on research facilities to find a way to reproduce without males. THOSE are/were the fringe people.

DaveW-Ohev said:

Well - those were the outspoken advocates of feminism when I first became aware of it. So they have defined it for me.

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...as long as you don´t superimpose it on self-professing feminists in general...

quatona said:

...as long as you don´t superimpose it on self-professing feminists in general...

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Most people who claim to be feminists are not. No man can be a feminist unless he is suicidal.