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It's the manner of his response that's inappropriate toward a child.

Disagreed :) She walked into the middle of him speaking. He did not change how he was speaking when she walked up, only began looking at her. He was still addressing the crowd in general though. It was not threatening nor inappropriate. Again, if she is emotionally able to take such a stand then why should we say that she is not emotionally able to handle the response. If she cannot bear being talked to in the way she knew he was speaking then she is not emotionally ready to take that stand in that way or setting. By the way that she was high fiving and stuff it looks like she was fine. She obviously didn't feel threatened or scared of him. Jus sayin
 
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Correct. This is teaching them to speak about whatver the believe appropriate in the public forum
You actually think children are capable of differentiating between what they have been told is truth and what they've determined is truth on their own, without guidance.


Who says they were pushed into it? The children in the picture I posted above were not pushed into being there.
And you know this, how?


I strongly disagree. Learning to speak and learning to think go hand in hand; neither properly proceeds the other

You actually think that children can make rational decisions on complex ideas with the same level as their ability to speak. Children speak about their wants, needs and desires, which is all they think about until they begin to mature.



It's the manner of his response that's inappropriate toward a child.
The child's being there was inappropriate since the parents should have been the one's to confront this preacher.
 
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You actually think children are capable of differentiating between what they have been told is truth and what they've determined is truth on their own, without guidance.
Nothing to do with the point.


And you know this, how?
Because I posted the picture and I know the back-story.


You actually think that children can make rational decisions on complex ideas with the same level as their ability to speak.
We learn to speak and we learn to think together. Except for a few people, the vast majority of us think in language. It's appropriate and normal that includes voicing views in the appropriate public forum as much as it includes voicing views at home.

Children speak about their wants, needs and desires, which is all they think about until they begin to mature.
An 8 year old here is being taught to write a structured pursausive text. They are capable of holding age appropriate views on topics.


The child's being there was inappropriate since the parents should have been the one's to confront this preacher.
It's more than fine for her to be there, and nothing we know about her suggests she did anything inappropriate in confronting the preacher.

The preacher's behaviour, on the other hand, is inappropriate regardless of the back story.
 
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Disagreed :) She walked into the middle of him speaking.
Nothing in the video indicates that to me.
He did not change how he was speaking when she walked up, only began looking at her. He was still addressing the crowd in general though.
His body language is most definitely directed at her.

It was not threatening nor inappropriate. Again, if she is emotionally able to take such a stand then why should we say that she is not emotionally able to handle the response.
She's 8.

If she cannot bear being talked to in the way she knew he was speaking then she is not emotionally ready to take that stand in that way or setting.
The responsibility lies with the adult, not the child.

By the way that she was high fiving and stuff it looks like she was fine. She obviously didn't feel threatened or scared of him. Jus sayin
She wasn't scared by him, but his behaviour would have intimidated many 8 year olds and is therefore inappropriate.
 
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The preacher's behaviour, on the other hand, is inappropriate regardless of the back story.

Care too enlighten us too what he should have done?

Also finally got around too watching the video since there was no link in the OP.

I was a bit surprised. I've had horrible experiences with street preachers in my past. 4 times it was at the university I attended and the preachers did nothing but attempt to anger the college students with comments like "Women who dress provocatively deserve rape." or "You're all fornicators" with no attempt to push a positive side or even really preach the gospel.

One time it was at Comicon and again it was all insult based preaching saying "Jesus Christ can help you turn away from your nerdy obsessions. He can give you a woman." essentially calling everyone there sinning geeks.

Now obviously I haven't heard his entire preach but from the 22 seconds I did hear he wasn't yelling at the girl in a angry fashion. He was continuing too preach in a strong voice so that the whole group could hear. Also he made no fire and brimstone comments too her like say for example "You're going to Hell" or "Your parents are going too Hell".

From what information I know, this man did a upstanding job in his preaching. Obviously I applaud him with a cautious heart since street preaching protestants are known for being the kind that most view the Catholic Church as "pagan".

Still I stick by my statement, he is a brave individual to preach in a place he's not wanted and I'm happy to see he's not antagonistic like the kind of preachers I've seen in the past.

I make no praise for the child who holds a view that makes her an enemy of God and who had the mob's anti-christian support.
 
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Here are some facts. The little girl stoof.there, holding the flag in front of the man. The man bent toward her and preached in a loud manner. When an unknown man does that to a six year old, he is intimidating to that child. What he was saying is almost irrelevant.
This is another one of those threads in which if the situations were reversed, well, you know the rest... ad nausem
I think the appropriate thing to do would have been for him to direct his speach to an 8 yr old level while not seemingly confronting her at all, but instead speak to the croud within her earshot. This would have had more of an impact than 'getting in her face' so to speak.
 
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The whole thing reminds me of how racial discrimination comes from parents to start with. Hatred breeds hatred. Free speach is of course something that needs to remain but for those who advocate it seem to be only able to 'talk to the hand' with those they disagree with. ( are we not also guilty of this?) And why is it that the only politically correct hatred now is toward Christians?
 
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The whole thing reminds me of how racial discrimination comes from parents to start with. Hatred breeds hatred. Free speach is of course something that needs to remain but for those who advocate it seem to be only able to 'talk to the hand' with those they disagree with. ( are we not also guilty of this?) And why is it that the only politically correct hatred now is toward Christians?
I keep hearing about all this supposed hate towards Christians going around. I haven't seen any.
 
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I keep hearing about all this supposed hate towards Christians going around. I haven't seen any.
I suppose it's not any more so than at any other time in history that Christ and His followers have been maligned by those who are not believers. Just the numbers of those who don't believe has changed considerably.
 
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I suppose it's not any more so than at any other time in history that Christ and His followers have been maligned by those who are not believers. Just the numbers of those who don't believe has changed considerably.
Frankly, I have never felt "hated" as a Christian. I have encountered a fair number of non-Christians who condemn Christians for bad things they have done, but I'm yet to encounter anyone who "hates Christians" on spec. I think it's very important not to confuse criticism for hatred.
 
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Frankly, I have never felt "hated" as a Christian. I have encountered a fair number of non-Christians who condemn Christians for bad things they have done, but I'm yet to encounter anyone who "hates Christians" on spec. I think it's very important not to confuse criticism for hatred.
Criticism would seem to include some sort of flow of communication between parties as I mentioned. Hatred/contempt is disrespecting and scorning another based on beliefs or race or whatever. The second video of the little girl would be someone who I think has been taught contempt.
 
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Care too enlighten us too what he should have done?

Also finally got around too watching the video since there was no link in the OP.

I was a bit surprised. I've had horrible experiences with street preachers in my past. 4 times it was at the university I attended and the preachers did nothing but attempt to anger the college students with comments like "Women who dress provocatively deserve rape." or "You're all fornicators" with no attempt to push a positive side or even really preach the gospel.

One time it was at Comicon and again it was all insult based preaching saying "Jesus Christ can help you turn away from your nerdy obsessions. He can give you a woman." essentially calling everyone there sinning geeks.

Now obviously I haven't heard his entire preach but from the 22 seconds I did hear he wasn't yelling at the girl in a angry fashion. He was continuing too preach in a strong voice so that the whole group could hear. Also he made no fire and brimstone comments too her like say for example "You're going to Hell" or "Your parents are going too Hell".

From what information I know, this man did a upstanding job in his preaching. Obviously I applaud him with a cautious heart since street preaching protestants are known for being the kind that most view the Catholic Church as "pagan".

Still I stick by my statement, he is a brave individual to preach in a place he's not wanted and I'm happy to see he's not antagonistic like the kind of preachers I've seen in the past.

I make no praise for the child who holds a view that makes her an enemy of God and who had the mob's anti-christian support.

I do not fault the child for anything. She is a child and as such is looking to please her parents, which is what children do at this age. It is not until they near adolescence that they begin to form their own opinions and begin to act out on them.
 
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The whole thing reminds me of how racial discrimination comes from parents to start with. Hatred breeds hatred. Free speach is of course something that needs to remain but for those who advocate it seem to be only able to 'talk to the hand' with those they disagree with. ( are we not also guilty of this?) And why is it that the only politically correct hatred now is toward Christians?

Agendas are agendas and preaching is a particularly direct way of saying listen to me, because I am right and you are uninformed. Indoctrination is a form of preaching and comes from the same mindset.

What has gone critically wrong is the lack of recognition of those who have opposing opinions. It is when people transcend from having an ideology to being an ideologue is when the lines of communication are severed because ideologues, by their very nature identify with their pet issue so much that they become the physical manifestation of that issue. It is as inconceivable to them that they might be wrong because that will strike at the very foundation of their being.

What makes them dangerous is that if they are confronted with irrefutable proof that they are wrong, they will act as a drowning man and use any measure at their disposal to remain afloat including pushing or dragging you under with them.
 
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Criticism would seem to include some sort of flow of communication between parties as I mentioned. Hatred/contempt is disrespecting and scorning another based on beliefs or race or whatever. The second video of the little girl would be someone who I think has been taught contempt.
You can feel contempt without it being hate. I admit that I have contempt for one or two members of this very forum. I wouldn't say I hate them though. Feel bemusement, even pity for them, but not hate.
 
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You can feel contempt without it being hate. I admit that I have contempt for one or two members of this very forum. I wouldn't say I hate them though. Feel bemusement, even pity for them, but not hate.
I don't believe that bemusement and pity are definative of contempt. Mocking is as well as distain, in fact the subtle difference that is between hatred and contempt is distain, the feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one's consideration. More like an indifference, rather than a passion of sorts.
 
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Agendas are agendas and preaching is a particularly direct way of saying listen to me, because I am right and you are uninformed. Indoctrination is a form of preaching and comes from the same mindset.

What has gone critically wrong is the lack of recognition of those who have opposing opinions. It is when people transcend from having an ideology to being an ideologue is when the lines of communication are severed because ideologues, by their very nature identify with their pet issue so much that they become the physical manifestation of that issue. It is as inconceivable to them that they might be wrong because that will strike at the very foundation of their being.

What makes them dangerous is that if they are confronted with irrefutable proof that they are wrong, they will act as a drowning man and use any measure at their disposal to remain afloat including pushing or dragging you under with them.
The adult/child syndrom being played out in both cases.
 
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I keep hearing about all this supposed hate towards Christians going around. I haven't seen any.

When you love the world, it will love you back.

1 John
2:15 Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
 
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I don't believe that bemusement and pity are definative of contempt. Mocking is as well as distain, in fact the subtle difference that is between hatred and contempt is distain, the feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one's consideration. More like an indifference, rather than a passion of sorts.
Well, thus it is with most non Christians. Oh sure, there are a small number of extremist outliers, who genuinely hate Christianity, and Christians. I reckon they're pretty rare, though. Again, criticising the church for flaws (perceived or real) is not indicative of hate.
 
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Both hate Catholicism, how can you not consider them enemies?

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Thus far those two heathen groups haven't actively shown their disdain for Catholicism as a group. No need to be concerned of them

I think we need to be more precise with the words we use. The word "enemy" is a very strong word. Enemies want to destroy you. Enemies oppose you at every turn. Enemies burn your churches to the ground, rape your wives, pillage your village, and ride off with your horses...

Gays simply disagree with certain aspects of Christianity, specifically those aspects that portray them as evil sinners who will burn in hell... That is all. Every other aspect of the bible they accept and just want to fall under the purview of Christianity that believes they can be saved just like anyone else.

If they can marry, then they would be no different from heteros. Premarital sex would be a sin just like it is for heteros.

I am just a layman, but I know that there are biblical arguments concerning homosexuality not being defacto un-redeemably evil.

Maybe no one sees him as having much character. I mean, seriously, who takes on a little girl ?

It's a losing proposition on a variety of levels.

I completely agree. The second someone handed her a flag and took that picture, he lost. That picture is completely at odds with the situation (thank god for video).

In the video, I did not consider him bullying, he is just street preaching. You have to raise your voice to be heard. Shouting in and of itself is not bad, it is just projecting your voice. There is no anger in his voice, just increased volume...

Has shouting at random people ever convinced those people of anything?
Let alone be considered compassionate?

This kind of preaching seems little more than a cathartic outlet for the preacher, which I find inappropriate in general(shouting at random people) but especially when directed towards young children.

If they want to protest. then protest; don't start picking out people to shout at.

The word "shouting" has a negative connotation denoting an element of anger. That is not the case here, there is no anger in his voice, he is merely projecting. There is nothing wrong with what the street preacher was doing.

I don't mind street preachers as you never know how their words will impact some. Sure, some people will find them annoying, some will just ignore them... but there will be some who may be hit with the words and made to think about them.

The only thing I would do differently is change the sign. I don't like the "Jesus Saves from Hell" aspect of street preaching. I would prefer simply, "Jesus Saves" or "Jesus Loves You"
 
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I don't believe that bemusement and pity are definative of contempt. Mocking is as well as distain, in fact the subtle difference that is between hatred and contempt is distain, the feeling that someone or something is unworthy of one's consideration. More like an indifference, rather than a passion of sorts.

Contempt is equally dangerous to outright hatred.

The Jews who had Jesus killed hated him, however the Romans who flogged him, mocked him with sadistic actions like the Crown of Thorns and who were willing to let an innocent man die to preserve the peace had contempt.
 
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