A Third Temple In the State of Israel Comes From the Imagination of Men

Straightshot · May 8, 2015

"Are you talking about an earthly kingdom where sin and death continue after Christ returns, even though He destroyed sin and death at Calvary?"

The Lord's coming millennial kingdom upon the earth will be much like today .... there will be mortals who will need salvation, and so will their offspring

Differences

The Lord will be ruling from Jerusalem in person, His true immortal ecclesia will be ruling with Him on the earth

The Lord will sit in judgment with direct control and response over the mortals of the nations .... His reactions will be immediate and the mortals will have a free will, but not allowed to rebel as humans of the past have done

The mortals of the millennial period will not war among themselves as in the past

Satan will be imprisoned in the abyss so that he cannot deceive the nations of the millennial kingdom like he has been doing since Adam and Eve

Natural surroundings will be vastly improved, but He will use the weather to control where necessary

And all of the mortals of the nations will have to go up to Jerusalem periodically at His calling .... if not He will discipline those who do not comply

At the end of the period He will allow for Satan's release and this will generate another human rebellion which the Lord will quickly end

He will then gather all of the human spirits of the unbelieving dead from the beginning of human creation and send them to His lake of fire [the second death]

..... and then His eternal kingdom with a new heavens and new earth will begin and last forever .... only His true ecclesia from all ages will enter

BABerean2 · May 8, 2015

Straightshot said:
"Are you talking about an earthly kingdom where sin and death continue after Christ returns, even though He destroyed sin and death at Calvary?"

The Lord's coming millennial kingdom upon the earth will be much like today .... there will be mortals who will need salvation, and so will their offspring

Differences

The Lord will be ruling from Jerusalem in person, His true immortal ecclesia will be ruling with Him on the earth

The Lord will sit in judgment with direct control and response over the mortals of the nations .... His reactions will be immediate and the mortals will have a free will, but not allowed to rebel as humans of the past have done

The mortals of the millennial period will not war among themselves as in the past

Satan will be imprisoned in the abyss so that he cannot deceive the nations of the millennial kingdom like he has been doing since Adam and Eve

Natural surroundings will be vastly improved, but He will use the weather to control where necessary

And all of the mortals of the nations will have to go up to Jerusalem periodically at His calling .... if not He will discipline those who do not comply

At the end of the period He will allow for Satan's release and this will generate another human rebellion which the Lord will quickly end

He will then gather all of the human spirits of the unbelieving dead from the beginning of human creation and send them to His lake of fire [the second death]

..... and then His eternal kingdom with a new heavens and new earth will begin and last forever .... only His true ecclesia from all ages will enter

If Christ has already defeated Satan at the Cross, why would He allow Satan to be released?

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Biblewriter · May 8, 2015

BABerean2 said:
If Christ has already defeated Satan at the Cross, why would He allow Satan to be released?

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For one final demonstration of the utter moral bankruptcy of mankind. Even after a state of perfection, lasting so long that there is no living person who has any memory of things being less than perfect. Mankind will still rebell when Satan is again allowed to tempt him.

The earlier demonstrations have been:

Innocence - mankind broke the only rule given them.
Conscience - the whole earth was filled with corruption and violence.
Government - mankind united in rebellion against God.
Promise - the selected family forgot the promise under hopeless slavery.
Law - no one ever kept it.

The current demonstration is Grace - But God has already told us that this will end in mass heresy.

And there will be one final demonstration. with temptation removed for a thousand years of government in perfect righteousness. But when the temptation is rsstored, mankind will again rebell.

random person · May 8, 2015

Biblewriter said:
For one final demonstration of the utter moral bankruptcy of mankind. Even after a state of perfection, lasting so long that there is no living person who has any memory of things being less than perfect. Mankind will still rebell when Satan is again allowed to tempt him.

The assassination of Claudius Caesar (who wrote a law protecting the church from Jewish persecution) unleashed Satan upon the Church, Nero Caesar (who rewrote Claudius' law) had almost succeeded in destroying the church while it was still in its cradle.

But the church survived both the Neronic Caesar persecution with the suicide of this madman and it survived the Jewish persecution with the Great Tribulation which was the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 spoken of in Rev. 19.

ThatTrueLight · May 8, 2015

random person said:
The assassination of Claudius Caesar (who wrote a law protecting the church from Jewish persecution) unleashed Satan upon the Church, Nero Caesar (who rewrote Claudius' law) had almost succeeded in destroying the church while it was still in its cradle.

But the church survived both the Neronic Caesar persecution with the suicide of this madman and it survived the Jewish persecution with the Great Tribulation which was the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 spoken of in Rev. 19.

The enemy must think that if he says AD70 enough that men will believe the lie.. some do, but most see it for the lie that it is, from the enemy who can't stand the simple truth.

BABerean2 · May 8, 2015

Biblewriter said:
For one final demonstration of the utter moral bankruptcy of mankind. Even after a state of perfection, lasting so long that there is no living person who has any memory of things being less than perfect. Mankind will still rebell when Satan is again allowed to tempt him.

The earlier demonstrations have been:

Innocence - mankind broke the only rule given them.
Conscience - the whole earth was filled with corruption and violence.
Government - mankind united in rebellion against God.
Promise - the selected family forgot the promise under hopeless slavery.
Law - no one ever kept it.

The current demonstration is Grace - But God has already told us that this will end in mass heresy.

And there will be one final demonstration. with temptation removed for a thousand years of government in perfect righteousness. But when the temptation is rsstored, mankind will again rebell.

How long after the 1,000 years of perfect righteousness, will the rebellion among the mortals occur?

Will everyone who is a mortal be a Christian at the end of the 1,000 years?
If not, why not?
If not, what percentage of these mortals do you believe will be Christians?

If we are reigning with Christ over these mortals, why do we allow the rebellion occur?

We and Christ will be in immortal bodies. Why would the mortals think they would be able to harm us?

Straightshot · May 8, 2015

"If Christ has already defeated Satan at the Cross, why would He allow Satan to be released?"

The Lord has defeated Satan from the beginning .... even before this devil defected eons ago .... his fate is programmed

.... but He allows for Satan to continue to this very day ..... the "god" of this present world he is

And the Lord defeats this reprobate angel on every turn .... like the fox in the roadrunner cartoon

Satan is still at large as we speak and he will take his next shot during the coming tribulation [Revelation 12:12] ..... then he will attempt to usurp the Lord's jurisdiction, loose the game, and be sent to the abyss for 1000 years .......... and then the Lord will allow him to be released, to test the mortals of His millennial kingdom at its ending

..... then He will burn him and Satan will be no longer

If you have a Bible you can find this cat and mouse drama unfolding .... not something done in a corner

If you don't know this you can find out ..... there is a great cosmic controversy going on between the Lord and Satan [it is in the Bible]..... this is going to be settled in finality when the Lord is finished with using the devil for His purposes

parousia70 · May 11, 2015

Straightshot said:
The Lord's coming millennial kingdom upon the earth will be much like today .... there will be mortals who will need salvation, and so will their offspring

So far so good...

Differences

The Lord will be ruling from Jerusalem in person, His true immortal ecclesia will be ruling with Him on the earth

And Folks In Portland Oregon, Osaka Japan and Sydney Australia will experience this physical Rule on a day to day basis, how?

The Lord will sit in judgment with direct control and response over the mortals of the nations ....

Judging what? Behavior? Thoughts? Wardrobe?
Rewarding the Good with ....cookies?
Punishing the Bad with....timeouts?

His reactions will be immediate and the mortals will have a free will, but not allowed to rebel as humans of the past have done

then they won't REALLY have freewill then will they?

The mortals of the millennial period will not war among themselves as in the past

Because they wont have freewill for that either?

Satan will be imprisoned in the abyss so that he cannot deceive the nations of the millennial kingdom like he has been doing since Adam and Eve

Are humans incapable of Sin apart from Satanic influence?

Natural surroundings will be vastly improved, but He will use the weather to control where necessary

Cool!

And all of the mortals of the nations will have to go up to Jerusalem periodically at His calling .... if not He will discipline those who do not comply

You forgot "and be required to be physically circumcized and render blood animal sacrifices directly to Jesus for Atonement of their sins and acceptance by the lord"

At the end of the period He will allow for Satan's release and this will generate another human rebellion which the Lord will quickly end

Satans release = Full Free will for Humans again. Okay...

He will then gather all of the human spirits of the unbelieving dead from the beginning of human creation and send them to His lake of fire [the second death]

And there they are extinguished, or do they suffer in their sin for eternity?

..... and then His eternal kingdom with a new heavens and new earth will begin and last forever .... only His true ecclesia from all ages will enter

Yet just outside the gates of the city the Murderers, sorcerers, liars & fornicators will dwell.....

Danoh · May 11, 2015

random person said:
The assassination of Claudius Caesar (who wrote a law protecting the church from Jewish persecution) unleashed Satan upon the Church, Nero Caesar (who rewrote Claudius' law) had almost succeeded in destroying the church while it was still in its cradle.

But the church survived both the Neronic Caesar persecution with the suicide of this madman and it survived the Jewish persecution with the Great Tribulation which was the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 spoken of in Rev. 19.

So, where you assert that Dispys literalize the figures of speech in the way you assert we do, only to ignore a response proving your assertion invalid, you further assert that the literal was a reference to some other literal, lol

No need to do that, bro; none at all.

Just allow literal of the Scripture to be literal, allow the figurative to point to a literal, as a figure of speech, and don't make its literal your historical toy soldiers.

Figure of speech there, at the end.

briancfcf · May 12, 2015

The only people looking for and teaching that the LORD is going to build a new temple for Himself in Jerusalem are the Jews and worldly minded Christians, people that do not follow New Testament doctrine. The Lord Jesus Christ is the holy Temple, as the New Testament Scriptures clearly teach.

There is no genuine prophecy or command from God to build any manmade temple any place in the world. The only people that want a manmade temple are worldly minded people that have no Godly faith.

These same people are teaching a thousand year reign of the Lord Jesus Christ upon the earth, which is another egregious contradiction of New Testament Scriptures. These people pick and choose what words to interpret literally and what words to interpret as metaphors in the Book of Revelation, which is a book of parables or metaphors.

According to New Testament doctrine salvation is a gift of faith by grace, and not the work of men. If the Lord Jesus is seen reigning on a throne then there can be no salvation, because He is seen, and therefore it is no longer faith. These people are not teaching New Testament doctrine (if anyone here cares).

Jipsah · May 13, 2015

Straightshot said:
.... but He allows for Satan to continue to this very day ..... the "god" of this present world he is

Hmmm... In Matthew 28:18 our Lord says: "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." Your lot don't seem to believe that. Howcome?

there is a great cosmic controversy going on between the Lord and Satan [it is in the Bible].

But our Lord holds all power, as in *all*. So why is He having a "cosmic controversy" with one of His own creations? Is this just Dispy dualism rearing its head again?

Straightshot · May 14, 2015

"What would be the greatest prize that Satan could desire, would it be to defile a temple built by the Jews in the State of Israel or would it be the Christian Church that God built, which fills the earth?"

Satan works in all corners of the box and has horribly corrupted Judaism and Christianity .... but his mastery of deception .... Islam

.... and by the way, professing Christianity does not fill the earth today .... never has

The Lord's true ecclesia have always been a small assembly across the centuries

Few have and will find the narrow gate that leads to eternal life .... He has already stated this truth

.... and there will be no temple of the Lord's built on the mount before or during the coming time of Jacob's trouble

This edifice will not be built until after .... for His millennial kingdom upon the earth [Ezekiel 40]

parousia70 · May 14, 2015

Straightshot said:
Satan works in all corners of the box and has horribly corrupted Judaism and Christianity

1)Judaism Stands in opposition to Christianity. It is not a "brother" religion to Christianity any more than Islam is. Today's Judaism was corrupt from the get go. An invention of men. A religion not ordained by God nor part of ANY covenant with God today.

2) Satan has no power to Corrupt The Church.
Satan is POWERLESS against the advances of the Church

Straightshot · May 14, 2015

1) True
2) False

parousia70 · May 14, 2015

Straightshot said:
1) True

2) False

Better check your Bible again......

Matt 16:18, Col 2:13-15, Heb 2:14-15, 1 John 4:4, Rom 8:28, etc.....

James Is Back · May 19, 2015

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