you probably already have the mark of the beast

[Second Time is the Charm]

Mark of beast is to be deceived by antichrist lies and deception, revelation chapter 13. Read Ezekiel chapter 9, six angels with slaughter weapon. These people are marked for spirtual destruction, they have mark of beast. The man with ink horn, put seal of God on those who wont worship antichrist. Documentation, revelation chapter 7 and Ezekiel chapter 9. Read revelation about 13, those who names are not written in lambs book of life, will worship antichrist. See the connection with Ezekiel chapter 9, the 6 angels with slaughter weapon. They're already marked for spirtual destruction. I documented this.

So you'll take the mark that lets you buy and sell because you think it's not the mark of the beast?

 

[Trivalee]

Don't agree with this,
we know the LORD has sealed his people on the foreheads at least one other time.
so why couldn't the mark of the beast been around then as well?

Because we are expressly told that the mark of the Beast will be championed by the False Prophet, who is flesh and blood and everyone see and know who he is when he appears. So, if you've seen him, please tell us because the mark of the Beast won't be a secret. Read Rev 13:11-17

 

[Reborn-Adopted]

separation with GOD is refusing to have The Door Closed to free will. so that's what Adam's broken image represents. you don't even have to be sinning to have the free will image of Adam ...satan owns anyone in that image ...you probably have the mark of the beast.​

 

[Trivalee]

separation with GOD is refusing to have The Door Closed to free will. so that's what Adam's broken image represents. you don't even have to be sinning to have the free will image of Adam ...satan owns anyone in that image ...you probably have the mark of the beast.​

No one has the mark of the beast yet and God will not take anyone's free will. Not sure you know what you're talking about.

 

[alertandawake]

What we need to know is what the mark of the beast is?

Now there were a number of people who strongly felt the Covid vaccine was the MOTB, but there are problems to this line of reasoning. Most important point to consider is the "unvaccinated" for the most are now part of society currently. However what were people doing during the mandates, they were showing proof of vaccination on their phones...or to put another way, a type of digital identification.

But how about Digital ID and CBDC? If Digital ID was to become a compulsory requirement, (and at rate things are going, I think it is a matter of time) and CBDC the only form of legal tender, then picture in your mind what life would be like for those who refuse to go along? Look at the world we live in today, and if such a requirement was made mandatory, then those who do not agree to get Digtial ID, I cannot see how they will function in society.

 

[dfw69]

What we need to know is what the mark of the beast is?

Now there were a number of people who strongly felt the Covid vaccine was the MOTB, but there are problems to this line of reasoning. Most important point to consider is the "unvaccinated" for the most are now part of society currently. However what were people doing during the mandates, they were showing proof of vaccination on their phones...or to put another way, a type of digital identification.

But how about Digital ID and CBDC? If Digital ID was to become a compulsory requirement, (and at rate things are going, I think it is a matter of time) and CBDC the only form of legal tender, then picture in your mind what life would be like for those who refuse to go along? Look at the world we live in today, and if such a requirement was made mandatory, then those who do not agree to get Digtial ID, I cannot see how they will function in society.

No Cbdc and digital ids are the mark

To find the mark you have to see where scripture points at and it points to a future time and place when the temple in Jerusalem is erected and and man comes claiming to be god and sets up an image of himself and cause them in judea to recieve a mark to worship the idol

 

[alertandawake]

No Cbdc and digital ids are the mark

To find the mark you have to see where scripture points at and it points to a future time and place when the temple in Jerusalem is erected and and man comes claiming to be god and sets up an image of himself and cause them in judea to recieve a mark to worship the idol

Your comment above does not explain the "buying and selling". If one needs a certain requirement in order to "buy and sell" then we could be looking at some kind of mandatory requirement. You made this comment "No Cbdc and digital ids are the mark". How did you come to that conclusion? Another problem here is that you are assuming the "image" is that of a individual. How did you come to this conclusion?

Firstly, and image that can talk sounds a lot to do with androids, robotics and so on. But on a global scale we could even be looking at some kind of communications network, transmission of data and so on. It also stands to reason, there would have to be such a system in place that the powers that be know who has been "marked" and who has "not". So there would have to be some kind database or centralized database of every single person.

Secondly, when looking at the word "mark" it stands to reason when looking in context, it is a "means of identification".

When looking at the "buying and selling" part, you need to look at this as a whole, and break it down. We looking at commerce, trade, employment and so on. So when people go into shops they will need to show some kind of evidence they have their met the conditions to enter the premises. We also need some kind of "legal tender" as a form of currency to make purchases. Now with the advancements in technologies we see today (SMART Cities) it stands to reason that businesses would have some kind of scanning technology to detect if a person goes into a shop and they have their "compliance certificate" (and in my opinion it is Digital ID)

You go into places like Costco, one has to show a membership card with their photo before they can even buy something from the shop.

What were people doing during the pandemic when they complied with the vaccine mandates? They were showing some form of identification showing their vaccination status.

Everything today, is about tracking and tracing, surveillance and so on. And with digital currency, you will transactions monitored.

Looking at things from a theoretical point of view, if Digital ID becomes mandatory for all, and CBDC is the only recognized from of "legal tender", picture in your mind the practical applications of this. People who do not accept these would literally be cut off from society.

 

[dfw69]

Your comment above does not explain the "buying and selling". If one needs a certain requirement in order to "buy and sell" then we could be looking at some kind of mandatory requirement. You made this comment "No Cbdc and digital ids are the mark". How did you come to that conclusion? Another problem here is that you are assuming the "image" is that of a individual. How did you come to this conclusion?

Firstly, and image that can talk sounds a lot to do with androids, robotics and so on. But on a global scale we could even be looking at some kind of communications network, transmission of data and so on. It also stands to reason, there would have to be such a system in place that the powers that be know who has been "marked" and who has "not". So there would have to be some kind database or centralized database of every single person.

Secondly, when looking at the word "mark" it stands to reason when looking in context, it is a "means of identification".

When looking at the "buying and selling" part, you need to look at this as a whole, and break it down. We looking at commerce, trade, employment and so on. So when people go into shops they will need to show some kind of evidence they have their met the conditions to enter the premises. We also need some kind of "legal tender" as a form of currency to make purchases. Now with the advancements in technologies we see today (SMART Cities) it stands to reason that businesses would have some kind of scanning technology to detect if a person goes into a shop and they have their "compliance certificate" (and in my opinion it is Digital ID)

You go into places like Costco, one has to show a membership card with their photo before they can even buy something from the shop.

What were people doing during the pandemic when they complied with the vaccine mandates? They were showing some form of identification showing their vaccination status.

Everything today, is about tracking and tracing, surveillance and so on. And with digital currency, you will transactions monitored.

Looking at things from a theoretical point of view, if Digital ID becomes mandatory for all, and CBDC is the only recognized from of "legal tender", picture in your mind the practical applications of this. People who do not accept these would literally be cut off from society.

I’ve heard these things before

you bye and sell with whatever antichrist values as currency but you cannot bye and sell with currency unless you worship him as god

It’s starts in Jerusalem..and it come out of Jerusalem…

But it’s not happening in our lifetime…

 

[friend of]

But it’s not happening in our lifetime

What makes you so sure?

 

[dfw69]

What makes you so sure?

Because all the prophecies that have to take place first such as Babylon the great city will be rebuild in the land of shinar zech 5 and a temple will be built there that will persecute the saints who will still believe the messiah is still to come

Jerusalem will find a messiah who will come in his own name and they will receive him… Many messiahs and false prophets will come out of there during the coming false messianic age

The temple will be rebuilt

A false messianic age will come first to rule over the nations

A falling away from the faith , that Christ is the true heir of Jerusalem and throne of David, takes place because of persecution

Persecution will arise for believing such things such as Jesus is the true messiah and heir to the throne of david

It will be a time of darkness and a time of judging and condemning against those who still believe Jesus is the promise messiah ..Many saints are martyred for keeping the commandments of God yet testifying of Christ return

Then Daniel 70th week will come to put an end to that false messianic age and usher in the true messianic age

 

[friend of]

A falling away from the faith , that Christ is the true heir of Jerusalem and throne of David, takes place because of persecution

I happen to think this is happening now, especially in Western nations, even without direct brutal persecution. People are just falling away en masse on their own.

 

[dfw69]

I happen to think this is happening now, especially in Western nations, even without direct brutal persecution. People are just falling away en masse on their own.

You will find in the future that Jesus has not yet returned to reign in Jerusalem because the end is not yet though some signs are taking place

Nobody in this day and age will witness the return of Jesus to reign from Jerusalem

 

[3 Resurrections]

Nobody in this day and age will witness the return of Jesus

I agree with this statement.

The temple will be rebuilt

But NOT with this. We as believers are being built up into the actual third temple. Ephesians 2:20-22 describes this.

 

[dfw69]

I agree with this statement.

But NOT with this. We as believers are being built up into the actual third temple. Ephesians 2:20-22 describes this.

I appreciate your reply

Yes we are the temple and we will receive the Spirit to become the children of God that the original temple building mirrored ..

But for the Israelites who walk after the flesh, God made specific promises in the old covenant that cannot be broken or changed and they desire the temple and the original covenant and specific prophecies takes place for them..

 

[3 Resurrections]

specific prophecies takes place for them..

Yes, indeed, and some of those specific prophesies of judgments that would take place in their "latter end" most definitely came to pass, as the song of Moses predicted. Both Solomon and Joshua said that God fulfilled every one of the old covenant promises He made with them. But God also promised their final destruction if they forsook Him and rejected the Messiah that He sent to them. The fig tree was cursed, and no man ate fruit of that fig tree thereafter.

The observant Jews may desire the original covenant and a temple to go with it, but God never intended another temple to replace the superior spiritual temple which has no wall of separation between its members.

 

[dfw69]

Yes, indeed, and some of those specific prophesies of judgments that would take place in their "latter end" most definitely came to pass, as the song of Moses predicted.

Song of Moses?

Both Solomon and Joshua said that God fulfilled every one of the old covenant promises He made with them.

Where in scripture?

But God also promised their final destruction if they forsook Him and rejected the Messiah that He sent to them. The fig tree was cursed, and no man ate fruit of that fig tree thereafter.

The fig tree that Jesus cursed implies a prophetic judgement and some assume it must refer to Jerusalem and her scattering and destruction of her temple and that the whole house of Israel has been cursed by Jesus …but let’s take a look …

The fig tree withered away at the command by the mouth of the messiah who found no fruit when he hungered . He spoke a cursed upon the fig tree that caused it to dry up and die.. So that no fruit would ever be found on it again

This curse could refer to any individual who does not bear fruit …Who is to say the fig tree is Israel ?

The observant Jews may desire the original covenant and a temple to go with it,

This will fulfill prophecy

but God never intended another temple to replace the superior spiritual temple which has no wall of separation between its members.

Of course but that’s not the issue… The issue is if man chooses to serve their Lord as in the days of old because they believe it should be so and it’s practices prosper to cover the entire world then they have to face the consequences that come with such practices … We all reap what we sow

 

[3 Resurrections]

Song of Moses?

The Song of Moses from Deuteronomy 32 which spoke of God judging His people at their "latter end" in the "latter days" was taught to the Israelites even before they entered Canaan. Moses knew that the children of Israel would default to apostasy, since they were a stubborn-minded people intent on idol worship even before they divided up the land of Canaan between the tribes. The Song of Moses they memorized that day would be a witness against them in their final days as a people of the covenant. Those judgments would result in God making His arrows drunk with their blood, and sending His sword to devour their flesh. These would be part of accomplishing His vengeance upon them for killing His servants, just as the "days of vengeance" were again predicted by Jesus in Luke 21:22.

The song of Moses is mentioned again in Revelation 15:3, just before the 7 plagues are poured out, since these plagues were the means of exacting God's vengeance on those who had slain the saints and prophets. Jerusalem had an almost continual history of killing the prophets sent unto her. The "latter end" of Israel in their "latter days" as a people experienced these plague judgements to the full in the AD 66-70 period.

Where in scripture?

Joshua spoke of the fulfilled promises to Israel in Joshua 23:14-15.

"And behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the Lord your God spake concerning you; ALL are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof. Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the Lord your God promised you; so shall the Lord bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you."

Solomon also repeated this assurance of God's fulfilled promises to Israel at the dedication of the temple in 1 Kings 8:56.

"Blessed be the Lord, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed one word of all his good promise, which he promised by the hand of Moses his servant."

This curse could refer to any individual who does not bear fruit …Who is to say the fig tree is Israel ?

Yes, a curse can also apply to any unfruitful individual, but I mention this because many link the identity of Israel with the fig tree budding. They believe this to be a sign of Israel's national re-emergence. If so, that argument cuts both ways, because the fig tree was also cursed into becoming a withered, dead tree.

This will fulfill prophecy

If you are referring to Ezekiel 40-47's prophecy of a temple being constructed for Israel, those were the construction plans given for Zerubbabel's temple built in the post-exilic return, which scripture says was completed according to the plans given to them. That was the second temple, which Herod eventually renovated, and which was torn down to the last stone by Christ's prediction. It will never be built again. Israel tried long ago to do this, and God disrupted the execution of those plans by some fairly remarkable disasters, causing them to abandon the project.

Babylon the Great in Revelation was a symbolic reference to the great city of Old Jerusalem. The mighty angel of Revelation 18:21 in John's visions cast a great stone like a millstone into the sea, saying, "Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." Never again would the light of a (menorah) lamp shine in a Jerusalem temple, or musicians or trumpeters be needed for the temple, or a millstone grinding grain for temple offerings, or craftsmen, such as those who worked on beautifying it or in creating veils for its use, etc..

Neither will there need to be a third temple rebuilt for a Man of lawlessness to appear in it, because the Man of Lawlessness already came long ago back in AD 66, presenting himself as the King of the Jews in the second temple before it was torn down to the last stone. So, no prophecies remain to be fulfilled regarding a physical temple structure.

 

[dfw69]

The Song of Moses from Deuteronomy 32 which spoke of God judging His people at their "latter end" in the "latter days" was taught to the Israelites even before they entered Canaan. Moses knew that the children of Israel would default to apostasy, since they were a stubborn-minded people intent on idol worship even before they divided up the land of Canaan between the tribes. The Song of Moses they memorized that day would be a witness against them in their final days as a people of the covenant. Those judgments would result in God making His arrows drunk with their blood, and sending His sword to devour their flesh. These would be part of accomplishing His vengeance upon them for killing His servants, just as the "days of vengeance" were again predicted by Jesus in Luke 21:22.

The song of Moses is mentioned again in Revelation 15:3, just before the 7 plagues are poured out, since these plagues were the means of exacting God's vengeance on those who had slain the saints and prophets. Jerusalem had an almost continual history of killing the prophets sent unto her. The "latter end" of Israel in their "latter days" as a people experienced these plague judgements to the full in the AD 66-70 period.

I see thanks but the latter end for Israelites has not yet fully come so it’s probably wise to continue to remember that song

Joshua spoke of the fulfilled promises to Israel in Joshua 23:14-15.

"And behold, this day I am going the way of all the earth: and ye know in all your hearts and in all your souls, that not one thing hath failed of all the good things which the Lord your God spake concerning you; ALL are come to pass unto you, and not one thing hath failed thereof. Therefore it shall come to pass, that as all good things are come upon you, which the Lord your God promised you; so shall the Lord bring upon you all evil things, until he have destroyed you from off this good land which the Lord your God hath given you."

Solomon also repeated this assurance of God's fulfilled promises to Israel at the dedication of the temple in 1 Kings 8:56.

"Blessed be the Lord, that hath given rest unto his people Israel, according to all that he promised: there hath not failed one word of all his good promise, which he promised by the hand of Moses his servant."

Yes I got you now…I must have misunderstood the post

Yes, a curse can also apply to any unfruitful individual, but I mention this because many link the identity of Israel with the fig tree budding. They believe this to be a sign of Israel's national re-emergence. If so, that argument cuts both ways, because the fig tree was also cursed into becoming a withered, dead tree.

Again it’s assuming Israel but is that not
true .. I admit judgement fell on them in the past for whatever reason but Israel is alive and well today and even Paul warns not to be puffed up over Israel fall because if god spared not the natural branches he will not spare you he also teaches they will be grafted back in and also when God receive them back again it will bring the blessing of a resurrection

If you are referring to Ezekiel 40-47's prophecy of a temple being constructed for Israel, those were the construction plans given for Zerubbabel's temple built in the post-exilic return, which scripture says was completed according to the plans given to them. That was the second temple, which Herod eventually renovated, and which was torn down to the last stone by Christ's prediction. It will never be built again. Israel tried long ago to do this, and God disrupted the execution of those plans by some fairly remarkable disasters, causing them to abandon the project.

Yes Ezekiel temple is future and is built by the messiah and it will usher in the messianic age of peace and prosperity for all

Babylon the Great in Revelation was a symbolic reference to the great city of Old Jerusalem.

No she will be rebuilt Zech 5 and futures prophecies are to be fulfilled in her

The mighty angel of Revelation 18:21 in John's visions cast a great stone like a millstone into the sea, saying, "Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all." Never again would the light of a (menorah) lamp shine in a Jerusalem temple, or musicians or trumpeters be needed for the temple, or a millstone grinding grain for temple offerings, or craftsmen, such as those who worked on beautifying it or in creating veils for its use, etc..

There are menorah shining in the temple synagogue in Jerusalem

Jerusalem is not Babylon
It stands today
And all the prophecies of mystery Babylon are yet to be fulfilled

Neither will there need to be a third temple rebuilt for a Man of lawlessness to appear in it, because the Man of Lawlessness already came long ago back in AD 66, presenting himself as the King of the Jews in the second temple before it was torn down to the last stone. So, no prophecies remain to be fulfilled regarding a physical temple structure.

Not true the AOD is still future … but we don’t have to go there , it’s been done too many times … I do not wish to debate with another preterist view