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That's exactly right. Ever bought hamburger and it had blood in the styrofoam tray that functions as the bottom of the package?
Yes, I have noticed that, and I do appreciate your concern.

As I see it, Paul later says

And he goes on

And the conclusion,

I think we can all agree that slandering is right out.

So, if I go to a barbecue, I don't have to ask the host if the meat tray had red liquid at the bottom.

However if you and I were both at the same barbecue, that would be a different story. If your conscience is pricked, then it's better if I don't eat.

And the same is true on a forum like this. If you don't have confidence to eat all foods, it may be best to stop talking about it :)
 
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Yes, I have noticed that, and I do appreciate your concern.

As I see it, Paul later says

And he goes on

And the conclusion,

I think we can all agree that slandering is right out.

So, if I go to a barbecue, I don't have to ask the host if the meat tray had red liquid at the bottom.

However if you and I were both at the same barbecue, that would be a different story. If your conscience is pricked, then it's better if I don't eat.

And the same is true on a forum like this. If you don't have confidence to eat all foods, it may be best to stop talking about it :)
So, you believe inspired prophets, such as Paul, contradict themselves. That's pretty sad when you go that far to justify yourself. You do know that you are no different than the Pharisees as they justified themselves too, and when they did they refused to be justified by Jesus. I surely hope you will repent before the end comes.
 
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That "meat market" was probably a fish market. Several have been discovered at Corinth.

Interesting :)
What kinds of things did unbelievers serve?
 
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Interesting :)
What kinds of things did unbelievers serve?

I am still undecided about the typical rendering of that passage-statement.

και θελετε πορευεσθαι

Thelo is to wish, desire, choose, prefer, etc., but translators prefer to render something like be disposed in this instance. Poreuomai especially means to depart or go aside, as well as traverse, go, etc., so when speaking or writing these words in the context of going to eat with a non-believer, what does Paul actually mean in this instance? As I said, I am undecided, so I am not saying either way in this case.
 
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So, you believe inspired prophets, such as Paul, contradict themselves.
Not at all. However, we can have the wrong interpretation of one or more passages.

Is there a particular passage/interpretation you want to discuss?

That's pretty sad when you go that far to justify yourself. You do know that you are no different than the Pharisees as they justified themselves too, and when they did they refused to be justified by Jesus. I surely hope you will repent before the end comes.
 
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That "meat market" was probably a fish market. Several have been discovered at Corinth.

After further review of this article, it looks like the marketplace had a section for selling fish.

"...it seems likely that the macellum at
Corinth was equipped with additional elements which included the
provision for fish."

I copied and pasted the text out of the PDF for easier reading. However, the formatting was altered. Did I miss something about the marketplace being only for fish?

I am still undecided about the typical rendering of that passage-statement.

και θελετε πορευεσθαι

Thelo is to wish, desire, choose, prefer, etc., but translators prefer to render something like be disposed in this instance. Poreuomai especially means to depart or go aside, as well as traverse, go, etc., so when speaking or writing these words in the context of going to eat with a non-believer, what does Paul actually mean in this instance? As I said, I am undecided, so I am not saying either way in this case.
That's cool. In my opinion, it's pretty important to discussions about this subject, so take your time :heart:
 
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After further review of this article, it looks like the marketplace had a section for selling fish.

"...it seems likely that the macellum at
Corinth was equipped with additional elements which included the
provision for fish."

I copied and pasted the text out of the PDF for easier reading. However, the formatting was altered. Did I miss something about the marketplace being only for fish?

I did not say it was "only for fish" but who is to say that was not what Paul meant considering their faith/beliefs at the congregation in Corinth? Did you read of the Meshiah consuming any other meat besides fish in the Gospel accounts? Or did he provide any other meat besides fish for anyone in the Gospel accounts? Where are the hamburgers and steaks for the crowds in the Gospel accounts? Nothing there to be found. When Elohim says He is not going to judge His people concerning their errant sacrifices the silence here speaks volumes, and for the same reason no doubt Paul is very careful about not judging concerning diet: for if Elohim says He will not judge, then should we? so Paul does not, but that does not mean the faithful can therefore eat whatever they want.

Psalms 50:2-15 KJV
2 Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined.
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.
4 He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.
5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.
6 And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.
7 Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God.
8 I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me.
9 I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds.
10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
11 I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.
12 If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.
13 Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?
14 Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High:
15 And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.

Those who imagine that just because there is no reproof in the N/T over diet, (and the Shabbat), that it must mean that they have no need to bother with such things, are fooling themselves: everything is a test to see who loves the Father and His Word, (His Son), and who will do what is pleasing unto Him. The one who seeks to do the will of the Father will know the doctrine, (John 7:15-18).
 
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I did not say it was "only for fish" but who is to say that was not what Paul meant considering their faith/beliefs at the congregation in Corinth?
It looks to me like it would be a strange reading, that Paul meant only fish. He uses the words πᾶν and πλήρωμα

Did you read of the Meshiah consuming any other meat besides fish in the Gospel accounts?
No. But then, I can't think of a passage where Jesus drinks milk, either.

Or did he provide any other meat besides fish for anyone in the Gospel accounts?
I can't think of any instances.

God did provide a ram for a sacrifice.

Where are the hamburgers and steaks for the crowds in the Gospel accounts? Nothing there to be found.
That's true. To be fair, though, it's an argument from omission.

When Elohim says He is not going to judge His people concerning their errant sacrifices the silence here speaks volumes, and for the same reason no doubt Paul is very careful about not judging concerning diet: for if Elohim says He will not judge, then should we? so Paul does not, but that does not mean the faithful can therefore eat whatever they want.

Psalms 50:2-15 KJV
2 Out of Zion, the perfection of beauty, God hath shined.
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.
4 He shall call to the heavens from above, and to the earth, that he may judge his people.
5 Gather my saints together unto me; those that have made a covenant with me by sacrifice.
6 And the heavens shall declare his righteousness: for God is judge himself. Selah.
7 Hear, O my people, and I will speak; O Israel, and I will testify against thee: I am God, even thy God.
8 I will not reprove thee for thy sacrifices or thy burnt offerings, to have been continually before me.
9 I will take no bullock out of thy house, nor he goats out of thy folds.
10 For every beast of the forest is mine, and the cattle upon a thousand hills.
11 I know all the fowls of the mountains: and the wild beasts of the field are mine.
12 If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is mine, and the fulness thereof.
13 Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?
14 Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High:
15 And call upon me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify me.
Are you saying that no one was ever supposed to be killing an animal for food or sacrifice?

Those who imagine that just because there is no reproof in the N/T over diet, (and the Shabbat), that it must mean that they have no need to bother with such things, are fooling themselves: everything is a test to see who loves the Father and His Word, (His Son), and who will do what is pleasing unto Him. The one who seeks to do the will of the Father will know the doctrine, (John 7:15-18).
Yes, no reproof about the Sabbath or food in the New Testament.

These passages look to me like outright permission:


 
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It looks to me like it would be a strange reading, that Paul meant only fish. He uses the words πᾶν and πλήρωμα

Did I speak of a reading or of logic and a way of thinking?

These passages look to me like outright permission:


1 Cor 8:9-13 KJV - 1 Cor 9:1-10 KJV
9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
13 Wherefore, if meat [G1033 broma] make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh [G2907 kreas] while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.
3 Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,
4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

In the LXX version of the Torah, βρωμα is general, food, and it is anything having been declared to be food for eating. κρεας is animal flesh, but as far as eating it is of course mentioned only concerning the flesh of clean animals and the sacrificial offerings in the Torah. Paul only mentions κρεας twice, and in both of these instances he places κρεας in a very negative light, and we have the one occasion mentioned above, where he says:

1 Corinthians 8:13 T/R
13 διοπερ ει βρωμα σκανδαλιζει τον αδελφον μου ου μη φαγω κρεα εις τον αιωνα ινα μη τον αδελφον μου σκανδαλισω

Wherefore, if food (βρωμα) causes my brother to stumble, absolutely not (ου μη) will I ever eat flesh, (κρεας), lest I cause my brother to stumble.

The other place where Paul uses κρεας is Romans 14:21, and it is really the same contextual material as in the above passage, and it closes with the same negative stance against κρεας, which again is animal flesh.

Romans 14:13-21 KJV
13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, [βρωμα, food] now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, [βρωμα, food] for whom Christ died.
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
20 For meat [βρωμα, food] destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
21 It is good neither to eat flesh, [κρεας, flesh] nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

It is good not to eat animal flesh, (κρεας), and again, quite the negative statement. Paul is using the second great commandment, love your neighbor as yourself, (which surely includes your brother in Meshiah), to argue against eating meat while at the same time he is avoiding condemning anyone.
 
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Not at all. However, we can have the wrong interpretation of one or more passages.

Is there a particular passage/interpretation you want to discuss?

Acts 15: 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.

So you see no contradiction, as a Gentile, between eating blood and being told to not eat it. I had a friend who worked in a slaughter house for a few years and there was no blood drained from the cattle when they were slaughtered. Kosher meat is bloodless. They say it is tasteless. It's the blood that gives it flavor.

I used to eat it. I loved it. Now I'm a vegetarian so I follow the instructions to the Gentiles and don't eat blood.
 
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Genesis 9:1-3 KJV
1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.

Immediately there is problem with the above, and also most English translations: for Elohim did not give the green herb to mankind: the green herb is given for food to the beasts of the earth, the flyers of the heavens, and every roamer or creeper upon the earth.

Genesis 1:27-30 KJV
27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
29 And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

What therefore is Genesis 9:3 saying? It is teaching the difference between raw life, (chay), and living souls. Chay concerns even the most basic life forms, such as even plant life, and it appears therefore that we are being taught herein that fish are considered raw life and not living souls. This may also be understood by simple logic, reasoning, and love for our Creator: for the Almighty would not create one type of weaker living soul just to become food for the greater sea creatures which are indeed called living souls, (nephesh hachayah, Gen 1:21).

Elohim does not make one weaker living soul just to become food for a more powerful living soul: that would be against His nature and attributes, and if we love Him, then we will not make Him out to be that way in our doctrines and beliefs. Thus the text is explaining to Noah and his sons that fish which swarm in schools are not living souls but raw life, like the green herb, and counted as such, and therefore they are also now going to be for food over and above the things already given to mankind in Gen 1:29, (every herb bearing seed which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed).

Moreover one must keep in mind that punctuation is not present in the text, it is only assumed so as to render the text into another language, English, and much of this is decided by the translator(s), and therefore leaves the door open for interpretive renderings and a potential for bias. If you are a meat lover looking for justification in the scripture to eat anything you want then surely you will find what you want if you hire a meat lover to translate the scriptures for you, (study the original languages so as to be taught of Elohim rather than men).

Genesis 9:2-3 WLC
וּמֹורַאֲכֶם וְחִתְּכֶם יִֽהְיֶה עַל כָּל־חַיַּת הָאָרֶץ וְעַל כָּל־עֹוף הַשָּׁמָיִם בְּכֹל אֲשֶׁר תִּרְמֹשׂ הָֽאֲדָמָה וּֽבְכָל־דְּגֵי הַיָּם בְּיֶדְכֶם נִתָּֽנוּ׃
כָּל־רֶמֶשׂ אֲשֶׁר הוּא־חַי לָכֶם יִהְיֶה לְאָכְלָה כְּיֶרֶק עֵשֶׂב נָתַתִּי לָכֶם אֶת־כֹּֽל׃

Genesis 9:1-3
1 And Elohim blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and fill the eretz.
2 And your fear and your dread shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every flyer of the heavens, in everything that roams the adamah: and among all the fish of the sea, into your hand they are given,
3 every swarmer which is raw-life, like the green herb, unto you shall it be for food: I have given to you all.

swarmer = fish with scales that swarm in schools
 
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So God gave us grass to eat after the flood? I'll stick with the Bible translators.

It seems you did not understand what was written in my post: grass is for animals, and is called green herbs. It is your Bible that tells you Adam was given green herbs by an erroneous rendering of the passage in Genesis 9. My reading of the passage actually corrects what your Bible erroneously says. You are not even agreeing with your preferred translation but rather actually agreeing with my reading. Herbs bearing seed are things like barley, wheat, etc., while green herbs are plain grass, stubble, and hay that animals eat for food just as it is to this day, and just as the scripture says in Gen 1:30 which was quoted in my previous post.

Birds also swarm.

Yes, but that is not what the text is referring to: the birds of the heavens are also called living souls, (Gen 2:19). I'll stick with the Testimony of the Meshiah and what he also says about it in Matthew 10:29 and Luke 12:6. If even the sparrows are living souls, and are numbered and not forgotten before Elohim, then you might want to reexamine Gen 9:4 and seek Elohim about what it actually says and means.
 
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Did I speak of a reading or of logic and a way of thinking?
Reaching the conclusion that Paul meant only the fish section of the marketplace sounds like a strange way of thinking to me.

1 Cor 8:9-13 KJV - 1 Cor 9:1-10 KJV
9 But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak.
10 For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols;
11 And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died?
12 But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ.
13 Wherefore, if meat [G1033 broma] make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh [G2907 kreas] while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.
1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord?
2 If I be not an apostle unto others, yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.
3 Mine answer to them that do examine me is this,
4 Have we not power to eat and to drink?
5 Have we not power to lead about a sister, a wife, as well as other apostles, and as the brethren of the Lord, and Cephas?
6 Or I only and Barnabas, have not we power to forbear working?
7 Who goeth a warfare any time at his own charges? who planteth a vineyard, and eateth not of the fruit thereof? or who feedeth a flock, and eateth not of the milk of the flock?
8 Say I these things as a man? or saith not the law the same also?
9 For it is written in the law of Moses, Thou shalt not muzzle the mouth of the ox that treadeth out the corn. Doth God take care for oxen?
10 Or saith he it altogether for our sakes? For our sakes, no doubt, this is written: that he that ploweth should plow in hope; and that he that thresheth in hope should be partaker of his hope.

In the LXX version of the Torah, βρωμα is general, food, and it is anything having been declared to be food for eating. κρεας is animal flesh, but as far as eating it is of course mentioned only concerning the flesh of clean animals and the sacrificial offerings in the Torah. Paul only mentions κρεας twice, and in both of these instances he places κρεας in a very negative light, and we have the one occasion mentioned above, where he says:

1 Corinthians 8:13 T/R
13 διοπερ ει βρωμα σκανδαλιζει τον αδελφον μου ου μη φαγω κρεα εις τον αιωνα ινα μη τον αδελφον μου σκανδαλισω

Wherefore, if food (βρωμα) causes my brother to stumble, absolutely not (ου μη) will I ever eat flesh, (κρεας), lest I cause my brother to stumble.

The other place where Paul uses κρεας is Romans 14:21, and it is really the same contextual material as in the above passage, and it closes with the same negative stance against κρεας, which again is animal flesh.

Romans 14:13-21 KJV
13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.
14 I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.
15 But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, [βρωμα, food] now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, [βρωμα, food] for whom Christ died.
16 Let not then your good be evil spoken of:
17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
18 For he that in these things serveth Christ is acceptable to God, and approved of men.
19 Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.
20 For meat [βρωμα, food] destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.
21 It is good neither to eat flesh, [κρεας, flesh] nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.

It is good not to eat animal flesh, (κρεας), and again, quite the negative statement. Paul is using the second great commandment, love your neighbor as yourself, (which surely includes your brother in Meshiah), to argue against eating meat while at the same time he is avoiding condemning anyone.
Do you agree that if you give what is inside to the poor, then everything is clean to you?


Did you want to answer this question?
Are you saying that no one was ever supposed to be killing an animal for food or sacrifice?
 
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Acts 15: 19 Wherefore my sentence is, that we trouble not them, which from among the Gentiles are turned to God:
20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.
So you see no contradiction, as a Gentile, between eating blood and being told to not eat it.
Stated that way, it is a contradiction.

But I think the situation is more nuanced than that.

How do you reconcile the instructions in Acts 15 with this passage?

I had a friend who worked in a slaughter house for a few years and there was no blood drained from the cattle when they were slaughtered. Kosher meat is bloodless. They say it is tasteless. It's the blood that gives it flavor.

I used to eat it. I loved it. Now I'm a vegetarian so I follow the instructions to the Gentiles and don't eat blood.
 
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Stated that way, it is a contradiction.

But I think the situation is more nuanced than that.

How do you reconcile the instructions in Acts 15 with this passage?
It's easy. Just because the pagans gave meat offerings does not mean they were all meats. There are poor pagans and I've never known anyone who never ate anything but meat. As Paul was a Jew he would have automatically refused refused anything with blood in it unless you really think he was a hypocrite.
 
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Reaching the conclusion that Paul meant only the fish section of the marketplace sounds like a strange way of thinking to me.

I have made it fairly clear that I spoke from many background contexts and teachings.

Do you agree that if you give what is inside to the poor, then everything is clean to you?

Here is what Thayer's Lexicon says about the first part of that statement:

ἔνειμι; (εἰμί); (from Homer down); to be in: τά ἐνόντα what is within, i. e. the soul, Luke 11:41 (equivalent to τό ἔσωθεν ὑμῶν, Luke 11:39); this is to be regarded as an ironical exhortation (similar to that in Amos 4:4) adjusted to the Pharisees' own views: 'as respects your soul (τά ἐνόντα accusative absolutely), give alms (to the needy), and behold all things are clean unto you (in your opinion)'; cf. Bornemann at the passage. Most interpreters think τά ἐνόντα to be the things that are within the cup and the platter (object accusative after δότε, with ἐλεημοσύνην as predicate accusative), and to be spoken of unjustly acquired riches to be expended in charity. (Still others (following the same construction) take τά ἐνόντα (namely, δοῦναι) in the sense of the things within your power, (R. V. marginal reading which ye can); cf. Stephanus' Thesaurus, under the word, col. 1055 a.; but see Meyer edition Weiss at the passage) Moreover, in the opinion of many ἔνι, (1 Corinthians 6:5 G L T Tr WH; James 1:17;) Galatians 3:28; Colossians 3:11 etc., is contracted from ἐνεστι; but see below under ἔνι.

Do you believe that the Master here speaks of giving of your soul which is within you? Are you laying down your soul for your friends here and elsewhere? Do you love your neighbors enough to seek out the truth, find it, and then speak it in uprightness to all your friends and neighbors? (but the one who seeks to save his soul will destroy it?).

Did you want to answer this question?
Are you saying that no one was ever supposed to be killing an animal for food or sacrifice?

The Torah, Prophets, and Writings answer it for me and I am pretty sure I have answered you before.
Here is one example from the scripture:

Jeremiah 7:21-31 HNV
21 Thus says the LORD of Armies, the God of Yisra'el: Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices, and eat meat.
22 For I didn't speak to your fathers, nor command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices:
23 but this thing I commanded them, saying, Listen to my voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be my people; and walk you in all the way that I command you, that it may be well with you.
24 But they didn't listen nor turn their ear, but walked in [their own] counsels [and] in the stubbornness of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.
25 Since the day that your fathers came forth out of the land of Egypt to this day, I have sent to you all my servants the prophets, daily rising up early and sending them:
26 yet they didn't listen to me, nor inclined their ear, but made their neck stiff: they did worse than their fathers.
27 You shall speak all these words to them; but they will not listen to you: you shall also call to them; but they will not answer you.
28 You shall tell them, This is the nation that has not listened to the voice of the LORD their God, nor received instruction: truth is perished, and is cut off from their mouth.
29 Cut off your hair, [Yerushalayim], and cast it away, and take up a lamentation on the bare heights; for the LORD has rejected and forsaken the generation of his wrath.
30 For the children of Yehudah have done that which is evil in my sight, says the LORD: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to defile it.
31 They have built the high places of Tofet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I didn't command, nor did it come into my mind.

Isaiah 66:3a ~ He that slaughters a bullock slays a man
Deuteronomy 25:4, 1 Corinthians 9:9-10
 
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It's easy. Just because the pagans gave meat offerings does not mean they were all meats. There are poor pagans and I've never known anyone who never ate anything but meat.
I'm sure there were non meat items available in the marketplace. But what Paul says is, "Eat anything that is sold..."

As Paul was a Jew he would have automatically refused refused anything with blood in it unless you really think he was a hypocrite.
Paul was a Jew living under the New Covenant. I think he probably ate whatever was set before him. I suspect he didn't wave that around because he didn't want to be a stumbling block to other people.

What is Paul - and we - free to eat that could be a stumbling block, in your view?

 
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I'm sure there were non meat items available in the marketplace. But what Paul says is, "Eat anything that is sold..."


Paul was a Jew living under the New Covenant. I think he probably ate whatever was set before him. I suspect he didn't wave that around because he didn't want to be a stumbling block to other people.

What is Paul - and we - free to eat that could be a stumbling block, in your view?

In other words you think Paul was a hypocrite. He played a major part in convincing the Jerusalem council to tell the Gentiles to abstain from blood but he went ahead and ate anything he wanted including meat from unclean animals. ***shakes head in amazement***
 
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