Is it important to keep the Sabbath?

[Presbyterian Continuist]

So it doesn't bother you in the least that you hold a non-Biblical belief?

I actually know what the Gospel of Christ is all about and it is not being stuck in the Old Covenant. That would still be in the flesh and not in the Spirit, and being in the flesh doesn't please God at all. Faith in Christ is my Sabbath rest which makes the Saturday Jewish Sabbath obsolete. So, insistence on keeping a Saturday Sabbath is a denial of Christ through a lack of understanding of what the Gospel is all about.

 

[Leaf473]

Huh? What are you talking about? Hebrews 4 doesn't mention Joshua.

Well, as I understand it, Jesus and Joshua are basically the same name. Jesus is the Greek form, Joshua is the Hebrew.

Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 4:8 - New American Standard Bible

For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.

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It's basically translators choice, but of the 61 translations available here, only 7 translate it as Jesus. Several of those are KJV or derivatives.

Hebrews 4:8 - Bible Gateway

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Some commentaries on the topic, if you wish

Hebrews 4:8 Commentaries: For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.

biblehub.com

 

[Gary K]

Well, as I understand it, Jesus and Joshua are basically the same name. Jesus is the Greek form, Joshua is the Hebrew.

Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 4:8 - New American Standard Bible

For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.

www.biblegateway.com

It's basically translators choice, but of the 61 translations available here, only 7 translate it as Jesus. Several of those are KJV or derivatives.

Hebrews 4:8 - Bible Gateway

www.biblegateway.com

Some commentaries on the topic, if you wish

Hebrews 4:8 Commentaries: For if Joshua had given them rest, He would not have spoken of another day after that.

biblehub.com

So? Joshua wasn't mentioned in Hebrews 4. So what if Jesus' name was actually Joshua? I don't really care. The OT Joshua was a different person. Don't bother replying as I'm not going to respond to you on this subject because your reply was trollish.

 

[Leaf473]

So? Joshua wasn't mentioned in Hebrews 4.

Yes, he is

Bible Gateway passage: Hebrews 4:8 - New International Reader's Version

Suppose Joshua had given them rest. If he had, God would not have spoken later about another day.

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So what if Jesus' name was actually Joshua? I don't really care. The OT Joshua was a different person.

Don't bother replying as I'm not going to respond to you on this subject...

It's up to you if you wish to respond or not

...because your reply was trollish.

No, it wasn't.

 

[Leaf473]

Again, it's translators choice in Hebrews 4:8 - Jesus or Joshua.

Most translators today go with Joshua, but see the NASB footnote here

 

[Gary K]

Again, it's translators choice in Hebrews 4:8 - Jesus or Joshua.

Most translators today go with Joshua, but see the NASB footnote here

Yes it was as you know I use the KJV.

 

[Leaf473]

Yes it was as you know I use the KJV.

I know you quote from the KJV, but I don't know how seriously you regard other translations

 

[Gary K]

I know you quote from the KJV, but I don't know how seriously you regard other translations

Right, and you use the name Joshua for Jesus on a regular basis. I've never seen you use it before.

 

[Leaf473]

Right, and you use the name Joshua for Jesus on a regular basis. I've never seen you use it before.

No, I don't use the name "Joshua" to refer to Jesus. That would be confusing.

Here's another place where the KJV uses "Jesus", but Stephen almost certainly means Joshua.

Bible Gateway passage: Acts 7:45 - King James Version

Which also our fathers that came after brought in with Jesus into the possession of the Gentiles, whom God drave out before the face of our fathers, unto the days of David;

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In your post #134 earlier in this thread, you quote from the KJV

8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

Since the KJV uses Jesus to refer both to Jesus of Nazareth and Joshua the son of Nun in the New Testament, it seemed reasonable to ask you to clarify which one you were referring to.

It's cool if you want Hebrews 4:8 to be referring to Jesus of Nazareth, I just wanted to clarify it

 

[Gary K]

I actually know what the Gospel of Christ is all about and it is not being stuck in the Old Covenant. That would still be in the flesh and not in the Spirit, and being in the flesh doesn't please God at all. Faith in Christ is my Sabbath rest which makes the Saturday Jewish Sabbath obsolete. So, insistence on keeping a Saturday Sabbath is a denial of Christ through a lack of understanding of what the Gospel is all about.

I'm afraid some people just don't know God. Because of sin only 8 people survived the flood so to me they seem to assume God has become a sentimental fool since then.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Wouldn't it be great of we didn't have to love each other and all we had to do was keep the Sabbath on Saturday

 

[HIM]

Wouldn't it be great of we didn't have to love each other and all we had to do was keep the Sabbath on Saturday

I assume one might think there is wisdom in what is said in this post that we are responding to. Sad thing that was not considered is it takes love for one another and God to keep the Sabbath HOLY, not take the Lord's name in vain, make no images or bow down to them, and to have no other gods before Him. Just like it takes love for one another and God to keep the other commandments, statutes and ordinances.

 

[HIM]

Yes it was as you know I use the KJV.

Happy Sabbath my friend! I know of no SDA evangelist that shares that Hebrews 4:8 is referring to our Lord Jesus Christ. All circles that we have traveled, SDA included know that 4:8 is referring Joshua.
Incidentally in Hebrew Jesus is Joshua. if you did not know.

I am wondering, are you of the mindset that the KJV is the only inspired translation?

Have a nice evening, May the Lord continue to be with us all through His Son Jesus Christ.

 

[Studyman]

Wouldn't it be great of we didn't have to love each other and all we had to do was keep the Sabbath on Saturday

What Greater Love could one show to God than to cling to Him and His Instruction in Righteousness that the Jesus of the bible said to "Seek Ye First", in a world that pretty much rejects God's Judgments and "instruction in Righteousness". In the examples given for our admonition, (Law and Prophets) would this God and Father of the Lord's Christ not be pleased with such a man, and say to him, "Well done good and Faithful Servant", even as HE did to His Son who refused to adopt the traditions and doctrines of the religions of the world God placed Him in?

It is written in the Testimony, "But whoso keepeth his word, "in him" verily is "the love of God perfected": hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Is it not God's Love that is to be shared with others? The Love of the New Man "which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness".

The undeniable Biblical Truth is that the "One True God", according to Scripture, Esteems Saturday, the 7th day, above the other 6 days of the week. It is Holy unto God, and is to be Holy unto God's People, as it is also written. For me, I don't care what day another man Esteems above others or doesn't Esteem above others. What matters, according to Paul, is Keeping the Commandments of God.

Yes, this world's religions reject and pollute God's Sabbaths, as they always have, as clearly shown in Scripture. But are we not to be a Separate People, "Learned of God" regarding how to live Godly and Righteously in this present age?

Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

If a man rejects God's instruction on how to live Godly, Righteously and Holy in this present age, how can he have the Love of God in him? How can this man then Love others with Godly Love?

Is this man not just another of the "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, but walk according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:?

How can we have God's Love in us, if we reject His Love.

1 John 5: 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 "For this is the love of God", that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

 

[Studyman]

Happy Sabbath my friend! I know of no SDA evangelist that shares that Hebrews 4:8 is referring to our Lord Jesus Christ. All circles that we have traveled, SDA included know that 4:8 is referring Joshua.
Incidentally in Hebrew Jesus is Joshua. if you did not know.

1 Peter 1: 10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:

11 Searching what, or what manner of time the "Spirit of Christ which was in them" did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Truly the Spirit of Christ was in Joshua, just as it was in Caleb.

Num. 14: 22 Because all those men which have seen my glory, and my miracles, which I did in Egypt and in the wilderness, and have tempted me now these ten times, and have not hearkened to my voice; 23 Surely they shall not see the land which I sware unto their fathers, neither shall any of them that provoked me see it:

24 But my servant Caleb, because he had another spirit "with him", and hath followed me fully, him will I bring into the land whereinto he went; and his seed shall possess it.

Great topic Him.

Have a Blessed Sabbath of God.

 

[Gary K]

Happy Sabbath my friend! I know of no SDA evangelist that shares that Hebrews 4:8 is referring to our Lord Jesus Christ. All circles that we have traveled, SDA included know that 4:8 is referring Joshua.
Incidentally in Hebrew Jesus is Joshua. if you did not know.

I am wondering, are you of the mindset that the KJV is the only inspired translation?

Have a nice evening, May the Lord continue to be with us all through His Son Jesus Christ.

I'm not a KJV only but the translations based on the Westcott and Hort manuscripts are not reliable. Both men were occultists.

The Westcott and Hort Only Controversy

www.biblefortoday.org

Westcott & Hort: Translator's Beliefs

Westcott and Hort: Translator's Beliefs

www.jesusisprecious.org

The Nineteenth Century Occult Revival - Legacy of Hort and Westcott

www.scionofzion.com

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I'm afraid some people just don't know God. Because of sin only 8 people survived the flood so to me they seem to assume God has become a sentimental fool since then.

I have no idea how this is relevant at all.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

What Greater Love could one show to God than to cling to Him and His Instruction in Righteousness that the Jesus of the bible said to "Seek Ye First", in a world that pretty much rejects God's Judgments and "instruction in Righteousness". In the examples given for our admonition, (Law and Prophets) would this God and Father of the Lord's Christ not be pleased with such a man, and say to him, "Well done good and Faithful Servant", even as HE did to His Son who refused to adopt the traditions and doctrines of the religions of the world God placed Him in?

It is written in the Testimony, "But whoso keepeth his word, "in him" verily is "the love of God perfected": hereby know we that we are in him.6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Is it not God's Love that is to be shared with others? The Love of the New Man "which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness".

The undeniable Biblical Truth is that the "One True God", according to Scripture, Esteems Saturday, the 7th day, above the other 6 days of the week. It is Holy unto God, and is to be Holy unto God's People, as it is also written. For me, I don't care what day another man Esteems above others or doesn't Esteem above others. What matters, according to Paul, is Keeping the Commandments of God.

Yes, this world's religions reject and pollute God's Sabbaths, as they always have, as clearly shown in Scripture. But are we not to be a Separate People, "Learned of God" regarding how to live Godly and Righteously in this present age?

Titus 2: 11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, 12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

If a man rejects God's instruction on how to live Godly, Righteously and Holy in this present age, how can he have the Love of God in him? How can this man then Love others with Godly Love?

Is this man not just another of the "many" who call Jesus Lord, Lord, but walk according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:?

How can we have God's Love in us, if we reject His Love.

1 John 5: 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

3 "For this is the love of God", that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

"But now that you know God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you are turning back to those weak and worthless principles? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! 11I fear for you, that my efforts for you may have been in vain.…" (Galatians 4:9-11).

In the light of Jesus being our true Sabbath rest, according to the book of Hebrews, observing the Saturday Sabbath as a requirement, is, according to inspired Holy Scripture, turning back to weak and worthless principles.

Enforcing the keeping of the Saturday Sabbath for Christian believers is weak and worthless teaching that compromises faith in Christ, and without faith in Christ it is impossible to please God. If a professing Christian insists on following the Saturday Sabbath instead of replacing it with faith in Christ as the true Sabbath rest, then those who gave the time and effort to lead these ones to Christ may have been in vain.

 

[HIM]

I'm not a KJV only but the translations based on the Westcott and Hort manuscripts are not reliable. Both men were occultists.

The Westcott and Hort Only Controversy

www.biblefortoday.org

Westcott & Hort: Translator's Beliefs

Westcott and Hort: Translator's Beliefs

www.jesusisprecious.org

The Nineteenth Century Occult Revival - Legacy of Hort and Westcott

www.scionofzion.com

We are not a fan either. But In the case of Hebrews 4:8 there is no difference between the T/R and W/H.

 

[HIM]

I have no idea how this is relevant at all.

Because being in the flesh is sinning. It is not adhering to what God moves us to be by His Spirit which the Law agrees with. The Law is for sinners. Where there is no transgression there is no Law. So if you are not under the Law you are not sinning, transgressing it. You are living by the faith which is in, through and of Christ Jesus.