My Evolution Challenge

[AV1611VET]

Or whether it was “ guided “ or “ unguided”.

God told us what it was in Genesis 1.

Once He spoke the earth into existence, that shut the door to cosmic evolution.

Once He brought forth the angiosperms, that shut the door to biological evolution.

Once He created man from the dust of the ground, that shut the door to simian evolution.

 

[AV1611VET]

See 12 examples of evolution happening right now.

Any evolution happening right now is on the micro level.

The macro level never got off the ground.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

See 12 examples of evolution happening right now.

I'm no way disputing or questioning that evolution happens. That's not the topic of the thread.

I am asking, for those who believe it, why God could not use evolution in his creation.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

There is a difference between stating “possible “ or “not possible” , and whether it actually happened That way.
Or whether it was “ guided “ or “ unguided” Some christIan’s agree with one of those.

But There is also the question of consciousness.
Not only belief, but increasingly evidence and voices In science are saying consciousness is separable and not a process of the brain. Ie the soul, spirit , call it what you will.

If the soul is separable no amount of chemistry or supposed evolution process accounts for human life in totality.

Yeah that... that really in no way addresses at all the thread topic. Like... at all.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

God told us what it was in Genesis 1.

Once He spoke the earth into existence, that shut the door to cosmic evolution.

Once He brought forth the angiosperms, that shut the door to biological evolution.

Once He created man from the dust of the ground, that shut the door to simian evolution.

Only on paper though.

 

[tonychanyt]

Any evolution happening right now is on the micro level.

The macro level never got off the ground.

12 examples of evolution happening right now disagree with you.

 

[tonychanyt]

I am asking, for those who believe it, why God could not use evolution in his creation.

I think he did. See Adam, Eve, and Evolution and follow up there

 

[AV1611VET]

Only on paper though.

That paper is our guide for faith and practice.

 

[AV1611VET]

12 examples of evolution happening right now disagree with you.

It should.

It uses modern-day science to make lying points.

Whereas I make my points sans science.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

That paper is our guide for faith and practice.

Yes, that is true.

So, any claims it makes about biological science are just flat out wrong.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

It should.

It uses modern-day science to make lying points.

Whereas I make my points sans science.

Give one example of it lying.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes, that is true.

So, any claims it makes about biological science are just flat out wrong.

Depends on what the claim is.

Is this a biologically wrong statement?

Jeremiah 2:27 Saying to a stock, Thou art my father; and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth: for they have turned their back unto me, and not their face: but in the time of their trouble they will say, Arise, and save us.

 

[AV1611VET]

Give one example of it lying.

Give one example of it disagreeing with me.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Depends on what the claim is.

Is this a biologically wrong statement?

Jeremiah 2:27 Saying to a stock, Thou art my father; and to a stone, Thou hast brought me forth: for they have turned their back unto me, and not their face: but in the time of their trouble they will say, Arise, and save us.

The book of Jeremiah? Where Jeremiah is basically telling the Israelites that they shouldn't have relied on the Assyrians and Egyptians to help them when the Israelites are in exile?

AV, you're not good at quoting the Bible.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Give one example of it disagreeing with me.

Post #29:

It should.

It uses modern-day science to make lying points.

Whereas I make my points sans science.

If it doesn't disagree with you, then you wouldn't say it's lying.

 

[Mountainmike]

Yeah that... that really in no way addresses at all the thread topic. Like... at all.

I answered it.
Some Christian’s even believe it.


But The world evolution is illdefined, in nature scope and extent.
eg Do you mean “ unguided”?

I also answered the big problem.
Consciousness. If it’s not a chemical process, no accepted evolutinary process can account for life.
So that case God had to use more than evolutionary process For life.

 

[ByTheSpirit]

I'm no way disputing or questioning that evolution happens. That's not the topic of the thread.

I am asking, for those who believe it, why God could not use evolution in his creation.

The problem is evolution implies death. But death did not come into the world until Adam sinned with Eve.

Also scripture directly speaks against this in Hebrews 11:3, "By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible."

As it is written: “I have made you a father of many nations.” He is our father in the presence of God, in whom he believed, the God who gives life to the dead and calls into being what does not yet exist.
Romans 4:17 BSB

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I answered it.
Some Christian’s even believe it.


But The world evolution is illdefined, in nature scope and extent.
eg Do you mean “ unguided”?

I also answered the big problem.
Consciousness. If it’s not a chemical process, no accepted evolutinary process can account for life.
So that case God had to use more than evolutionary process For life.

You're arguing unnecessary semantics.

 

[AV1611VET]

I think he did. See Adam, Eve, and Evolution and follow up there

From that link:

Neanderthals belong to the species of Homo sapiens neanderthalensis. Today's humans belong to Homo sapiens sapiens. Both groups are humans (Homo sapiens). Both have 46 chromosomes though there is some uncertainty about that. Neanderthals existed only in space-time and not in witnessed-time, as such, they never received a breath of God in their spirits. They would not be judged to go to heaven or hell.

I believe Neanderthals were people whom God levied one of His "plagues wonderful" upon.

Deuteronomy 28:59 Then the LORD will make thy plagues wonderful, and the plagues of thy seed, even great plagues, and of long continuance, and sore sicknesses, and of long continuance.

Read the 38th Psalm, where David is describing one (his own) in detail.

Note specifically this passage:

Psalm 38:6 I am troubled; I am bowed down greatly; I go mourning all the day long.
7 For my loins are filled with a loathsome disease: and there is no soundness in my flesh.

I believe that, if modern-day evolutionists could see him then, they would think he was a Neanderthal or Cro-magnon.

Either that, or they would make up another lie to make him look like a "missing link."

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

The problem is evolution implies death. But death did not come into the world until Adam sinned with Eve.

Also scripture directly speaks against this in Hebrews 11:3

But that's only if we take the claim that Adam and Eve were two literal people, which there is no evidence for. And no, Mitochondrial Eve and Y Chromosome Adam were not THE first people. They're just the earliest human beings we can trace human genetics back to.