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[Aussie Pete]

Yeah, America’s Hegemony is just about run it’s course; China has four times the number of people, guess which developing nation will hoist that belt?
And you* get to “blame” our decline on getting away from God!
China will be the Big Nation on campus from about 2050 to ???
You can blame China’s upcoming dominance in World affairs on whatever you’d like, but it’s a-happening.

*generic

"Developing"? China is already ahead of most countries. It has nothing to do with population. China was a backwater 50 years ago. It's population was huge then. It's taken advantage of Western greed, ignorance and lack of foresight.

I saw this coming decades ago. I traveled a lot in the Asia Pacific region. I was much impressed by the Chinese work ethic and intelligence. I saw that if ever the Chinese were free to conduct business as they were able, the world had better watch out. The mistake the West made was to imagine that China would become a democracy.

Yes, America's problems are fundamentally spiritual. God does not turn away from a nation but a nation can sure turn away from God. I'm English. The once mighty British empire is barely a shadow of itself. It's decline is also the natural following the spiritual.

 

[FireDragon76]

"Developing"? China is already ahead of most countries. It has nothing to do with population. China was a backwater 50 years ago. It's population was huge then. It's taken advantage of Western greed, ignorance and lack of foresight.

I saw this coming decades ago. I traveled a lot in the Asia Pacific region. I was much impressed by the Chinese work ethic and intelligence. I saw that if ever the Chinese were free to conduct business as they were able, the world had better watch out. The mistake the West made was to imagine that China would become a democracy.

Yes, America's problems are fundamentally spiritual. God does not turn away from a nation but a nation can sure turn away from God. I'm English. The once mighty British empire is barely a shadow of itself. It's decline is also the natural following the spiritual.

How do you explain China's rise given the fact that it isn't particularly religious, let alone Christian?

 

[rjs330]

I think

How do you explain China's rise given the fact that it isn't particularly religious, let alone Christian?

You may be looking at this differently. China as a power is on the rise due to it's brutal control over it's people and a recognition of the power of market share. Where Chinas people are very oppressed China is using that oppression to create capital power across the globe with it's manufacturing.

I think we can establish a riss history that brutality and control can indeed create wealth and more power.

 

[rjs330]

My rubutal to my antipodean friend was how countries with a decline in Christianity are doing better and better.

If America is in decline it is in spite of it’s decline in Christianity.

They are doing better and better? Define better and better.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

The people that are struggling the most, in my experience as an American, tend to be the least religiously affiliated. Take that for what it's worth, I'm not necessarily implying a causal connection. But it does seem that less religious participation hasn't really helped alot of younger Americans. It's left them lonelier and more socially isolated.

I think that this is a consequence of the integration of religion into American society. So much of our social interaction is structured around church and religion that people have a difficult time finding non-religious community spaces.

 

[FireDragon76]

I think that this is a consequence of the integration of religion into American society. So much of our social interaction is structured around church and religion that people have a difficult time finding non-religious community spaces.

People could go to a Unitarian Universalist church that wouldn't necessarily ask alot of them. But they don't. So I think the real reason is less of an appreciation for social engagement in general. Whether it's churches or labor unions, people don't appreciate the value of participating in something larger than themselves.

 

[Larniavc]

They are doing better and better? Define better and better.

Well, I was alive in the 70s and the 20s are much, much better. People are more educated, more healthy, less racist, less sexist, more accepting of different peoples and equality of opportunity is starting to become a thing. The UK is better by those metrics from my point of view.

 

[rjs330]

Well, I was alive in the 70s and the 20s are much, much better. People are more educated, more healthy, less racist, less sexist, more accepting of different peoples and equality of opportunity is starting to become a thing. The UK is better by those metrics from my point of view.

It appears your point of view is in error. UK isn't getting better and better.

Is racism in the UK really as bad in the US? - Hive Learning

UK: Discrimination against people of African descent is structural, institutional and systemic, say UN experts

LONDON/GENEVA (27 January 2023) – Racism in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is structural, institutional and systemic, UN experts* said today, warning that people of African descent in the country continue to encounter racial discrimination and erosion of their...

www.ohchr.org

And sexism?

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Healthcare?

The U.K.’s health system breaks down

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Equality?

How unequal is Britain and are the poor getting poorer?.

Yeah, not exactly as you say.

Yes there is a moral rot and decline in the UK just as there is in the US.

UK 'sinks into moral decline'

Sorry to say but France is in decline.

How France became trapped in a spiral of chaos and decline

UK is in declinehttps://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/25/opinion/uk-economic-decline-nhs.html
So forgive me if I don't accept all this better and better business of other places.

 

[rjs330]

Well, I was alive in the 70s and the 20s are much, much better. People are more educated, more healthy, less racist, less sexist, more accepting of different peoples and equality of opportunity is starting to become a thing. The UK is better by those metrics from my point of view.

It appears your point of view is in error. UK isn't getting better and better.

Is racism in the UK really as bad in the US? - Hive Learning

UK: Discrimination against people of African descent is structural, institutional and systemic, say UN experts

LONDON/GENEVA (27 January 2023) – Racism in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is structural, institutional and systemic, UN experts* said today, warning that people of African descent in the country continue to encounter racial discrimination and erosion of their...

www.ohchr.org

And sexism?

UK healthcare is structurally sexist - how do we fix it? - The Mancunion

Gender discrimination | Discrimination | UNISON National

Healthcare?

The U.K.’s health system breaks down

Why is Britain's health service, a much-loved national treasure, falling apart? | CNN

Most winters, headlines warn that Britain's National Health Service (NHS) is at "breaking point." The alarms sound over and over and over again. But the current crisis has set warning bells ringing louder than before.

www.cnn.com

Government is ignoring “ticking time bomb” of deteriorating population health, says BMA

Equality?

How unequal is Britain and are the poor getting poorer?.

Yeah, not exactly as you say.

Yes there is a moral rot and decline in the UK just as there is in the US.

UK 'sinks into moral decline'

Sorry to say but France is in decline.

How France became trapped in a spiral of chaos and decline

UK is in declinehttps://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/25/opinion/uk-economic-decline-nhs.html
So forgive me if I don't accept all this better and better business of other places.

 

[Larniavc]

It appears your point of view is in error. UK isn't getting better and better.

Is racism in the UK really as bad in the US? - Hive Learning

UK: Discrimination against people of African descent is structural, institutional and systemic, say UN experts

LONDON/GENEVA (27 January 2023) – Racism in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is structural, institutional and systemic, UN experts* said today, warning that people of African descent in the country continue to encounter racial discrimination and erosion of their...

www.ohchr.org

And sexism?

UK healthcare is structurally sexist - how do we fix it? - The Mancunion

Gender discrimination | Discrimination | UNISON National

Healthcare?

The U.K.’s health system breaks down

Why is Britain's health service, a much-loved national treasure, falling apart? | CNN

Most winters, headlines warn that Britain's National Health Service (NHS) is at "breaking point." The alarms sound over and over and over again. But the current crisis has set warning bells ringing louder than before.

www.cnn.com

Government is ignoring “ticking time bomb” of deteriorating population health, says BMA

Equality?

How unequal is Britain and are the poor getting poorer?.

Yeah, not exactly as you say.

Yes there is a moral rot and decline in the UK just as there is in the US.

UK 'sinks into moral decline'

Sorry to say but France is in decline.

How France became trapped in a spiral of chaos and decline

UK is in declinehttps://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/25/opinion/uk-economic-decline-nhs.html
So forgive me if I don't accept all this better and better business of other places.

As I said. From my point of view.

 

[Aussie Pete]

How do you explain China's rise given the fact that it isn't particularly religious, let alone Christian?

God uses circumstances when people stop listening. Israel was enslaved by the nations that they should have conquered. They learned nothing. They were enslaved by Greece, then Rome. When Lord Jesus came, Israel rejected Him. Rome destroyed the temple, but still Israel rebelled. Israel ceased to exist as a society around 120 AD. God's judgement came to pass as He warned centuries before.

China is religious, mostly Confucian. They have no Christian heritage to deny so their guilt is less than countries like Britain and America. The same applies to India, mostly Hindu and on the rise as a nation.

 

[FireDragon76]

China is religious, mostly Confucian. They have no Christian heritage to deny so their guilt is less than countries like Britain and America. The same applies to India, mostly Hindu and on the rise as a nation.

China is overwhelmingly irreligious and the state discourages religion. But yet, it's relatively prosperous. How do you explain that?

 

[Pommer]

God uses circumstances when people stop listening. Israel was enslaved by the nations that they should have conquered. They learned nothing. They were enslaved by Greece, then Rome. When Lord Jesus came, Israel rejected Him. Rome destroyed the temple, but still Israel rebelled. Israel ceased to exist as a society around 120 AD. God's judgement came to pass as He warned centuries before.

China is religious, mostly Confucian. They have no Christian heritage to deny so their guilt is less than countries like Britain and America. The same applies to India, mostly Hindu and on the rise as a nation.

Quite.
But, how does punishment for Israel = blessings for China?

 

[Aussie Pete]

China is overwhelmingly irreligious and the state discourages religion. But yet, it's relatively prosperous. How do you explain that?

I thought that I'd already explained that. I don't know what else I can say.

 

[FireDragon76]

I don't think believing in God necessarily has much to do with earthly prosperity. Neither did Luther, which is why he taught the Theology of the Cross. The notion that God must reward "obedient" nations is unscriptural speculation and confuses Law and Gospel.

 

[rjs330]

As I said. From my point of view.

Well perhaps you need to adjust your point of view.

 

[rjs330]

I don't think believing in God necessarily has much to do with earthly prosperity. Neither did Luther, which is why he taught the Theology of the Cross. The notion that God must reward "obedient" nations is unscriptural speculation and confuses Law and Gospel.

God does reward nations with people who believe in him and follow his ways. It's all over scripture.

However, reward is not always mean great wealth for the country. The people are the ones who do well and flourish. And while China itself may be a powerhouse their people are not doing well and are not flourishing.

When the people serve the Lord they all do better and their nation does as well. As people do not serve the Lord or start rejecting him the nation and the people will begin to decline in any number of ways.

 

[Larniavc]

Well perhaps you need to adjust your point of view.

My point of view changes all the time.

 

[rjs330]

My point of view changes all the time.

Okay then we can now agree that your point of view was in error and now are in the same page.

 

[Larniavc]

Okay then we can now agree that your point of view was in error and now are in the same page.

No. My point of view is my lived experience. If things were so terrible is the the UK(a low religious country compared to the US) it would have impacted me and the people I know.

I (and the people I know) are living a better life now than in the 70s when religion was massively more important to people.