Is The Body of Christ the House of God?

[Mr. M]

Jeremiah 7:
11 Is this house, which is called by my name, become a den of robbers in your eyes? Behold, even I have seen it, saith the Lord.

12 But go ye now unto my place which was in Shiloh, where I set my name at the first, and see what I did to it for the wickedness of my people Israel.

13 And now, because ye have done all these works, saith the Lord, and I spake unto you, rising up early and speaking, but ye heard not; and I called you, but ye answered not;

14 Therefore will I do unto this house, which is called by my name, wherein ye trust, and unto the place which I gave to you and to your fathers, as I have done to Shiloh.

1 Peter 4:
15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters.

16 Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.

1 Corinthians 15:
33 Be not deceived: evil communications corrupt good manners.

34 Awake to righteousness, and sin not; for some have not the knowledge of God: I speak this to your shame.

 

[Jesus is my Superhero]

Perhaps a Temple. House? I'm unsure.

Edit: A Temple has just believers but the House has many unbelievers too.

 

[Mr. M]

Perhaps a Temple. House? I'm unsure.

Edit: A Temple has just believers but the House has many unbelievers too.

2 Timothy 2:
19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”

20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor.

21 Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work.

 

[GDL]

NKJ 1 Peter 2:5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.

NKJ Ephesians 2:19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God,

NKJ Galatians 6:10 Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all, especially to those who are of the household of [the] faith. ([] is my insertion from the Greek)

NKJ Hebrews 3:6 but Christ as a Son over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

et. al.

 

[readywriter]

Subject heading:-Is The Body of Christ the House of God?

'And hath put all things under His feet,
and gave Him to be the head over all things
to the church, which is His Body,
the fulness of Him that filleth all in all.'
(Eph 1:22-23)

Hello @Minister Monardo,

It would seem by your OP that your intention in asking the question, was in order to exhort those who comprise God's House (1 Peter 4:17 ) to behave in a manner that is honouring to Him.

Peter's letter was written to the believing remnant of Israel among the nations, for His Apostleship was to them (Galatians 2:7-8): it is they who are described as 'strangers and pilgrims' in (1 Peter 1:1-2; 1 Peter 2:11). This is not the Church which is the Body of Christ. For that calling had yet to be revealed when Peter wrote his epistle.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

 

[GDL]

Subject heading:-Is The Body of Christ the House of God?

'And hath put all things under His feet,
and gave Him to be the head over all things
to the church, which is His Body,
the fulness of Him that filleth all in all.'
(Eph 1:22-23)

Hello @Minister Monardo,

It would seem by your OP that your intention in asking the question, was in order to exhort those who comprise God's House (1 Peter 4:17 ) to behave in a manner that is honouring to Him.

Peter's letter was written to the believing remnant of Israel among the nations, for His Apostleship was to them (Galatians 2:7-8): it is they who are described as 'strangers and pilgrims' in (1 Peter 1:1-2; 1 Peter 2:11). This is not the Church which is the Body of Christ. For that calling had yet to be revealed when Peter wrote his epistle.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris

Hi Chris. Since I mentioned 1 Peter 2:5 in support of the Body of Christ being the House[hold] of God, I'll jump in for a moment.

I experienced years ago this distinct separation of Peter's writings to the Jews in the Diaspora & saw that it led to several problems.

Some date 1 Peter to being written over a decade after James and some of Paul's writings. Silvanus, who Peter mentions in 1 Peter 5:12 was a traveling companion of Paul & Timothy per 1 & 2 Thessalonians 1:1, which were said to be written well before 1 Peter. We know that Peter was well acquainted with Paul & knew of his ministry to the Gentiles & that Peter was also sent to the Gentiles early on. Both Peter & Paul evangelized Jews & Gentiles.

Point being, 1 Peter was not written in a vacuum apart from a knowledge of the inclusion of the Gentiles in Christ's Ekklesia, Christ's Body. All Christians are the Body & the Ekklesia of Christ & the House of God. Both Paul & Peter use the House/Household terminology.

It had been well established for some time that there is one body, Spirit, hope, Lord, faith, baptism, God & Father of all (Ephesians 4:4). The Body/Ekklesia consists of both Jews & Gentiles.

Believing Jews are also in the Body of Christ - Christ's Ekklesia - in fact, they were the first members, were they not?

 

[Mr. M]

'And hath put all things under His feet,
and gave Him to be the head over all things
to the church, which is His Body,
the fulness of Him that filleth all in all.'
(Eph 1:22-23)

Are you saying that Paul is referring to only Gentiles in this statement? The churches Paul ministered to were both Jew and Gentile.

This is not the Church which is the Body of Christ. For that calling had yet to be revealed when Peter wrote his epistle.

All men and women of faith have the same confession, that we are strangers and sojourners on earth.
Hebrews 11:
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland.
15 And truly if they had called to mind that from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return.
16 But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.

We do not have earthly citizenship in Christ.
Philippians 3:20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Citizenship in the commonwealth of Israel is not an earthly citizenship.
Ephesians 2:
11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Hebrews 12:
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

Yes we are Gods living Temple.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies

Strong's Concordance
naos: a temple
Original Word: ναός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: naos
Phonetic Spelling: (nah-os')
Definition: a temple
Usage: a temple, a shrine, that part of the temple where God himself resides.

3485 naós (from naiō, "to dwell") – properly, a sanctuary (divine dwelling-place); a temple (sacred abode), the place of divine manifestation. 3485 (naós) refers to the sanctuary (the Jewish Temple proper),

hope this helps !!!

 

[readywriter]

Hi Chris. Since I mentioned 1 Peter 2:5 in support of the Body of Christ being the House[hold] of God, I'll jump in for a moment.

I experienced years ago this distinct separation of Peter's writings to the Jews in the Diaspora & saw that it led to several problems.

Some date 1 Peter to being written over a decade after James and some of Paul's writings. Silvanus, who Peter mentions in 1 Peter 5:12 was a traveling companion of Paul & Timothy per 1 & 2 Thessalonians 1:1, which were said to be written well before 1 Peter. We know that Peter was well acquainted with Paul & knew of his ministry to the Gentiles & that Peter was also sent to the Gentiles early on. Both Peter & Paul evangelized Jews & Gentiles.

Point being, 1 Peter was not written in a vacuum apart from a knowledge of the inclusion of the Gentiles in Christ's Ekklesia, Christ's Body. All Christians are the Body & the Ekklesia of Christ & the House of God. Both Paul & Peter use the House/Household terminology.

It had been well established for some time that there is one body, Spirit, hope, Lord, faith, baptism, God & Father of all (Ephesians 4:4). The Body/Ekklesia consists of both Jews & Gentiles.

Believing Jews are also in the Body of Christ - Christ's Ekklesia - in fact, they were the first members, were they not?

Are you saying that Paul is referring to only Gentiles in this statement? The churches Paul ministered to were both Jew and Gentile.

All men and women of faith have the same confession, that we are strangers and sojourners on earth.
Hebrews 11:
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
14 For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland.
15 And truly if they had called to mind that from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return.
16 But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.

We do not have earthly citizenship in Christ.
Philippians 3:20 For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Citizenship in the commonwealth of Israel is not an earthly citizenship.
Ephesians 2:
11 Therefore remember that you, once Gentiles in the flesh—who are called Uncircumcision by what is called the Circumcision made in the flesh by hands—
12 that at that time you were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world.
13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

Hebrews 12:
22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels,
23 to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect

Yes we are Gods living Temple.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies

Strong's Concordance
naos: a temple
Original Word: ναός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: naos
Phonetic Spelling: (nah-os')
Definition: a temple
Usage: a temple, a shrine, that part of the temple where God himself resides.

3485 naós (from naiō, "to dwell") – properly, a sanctuary (divine dwelling-place); a temple (sacred abode), the place of divine manifestation. 3485 (naós) refers to the sanctuary (the Jewish Temple proper),

hope this helps !!!

Hello @GDL, @Minister Monardo, @Jesus is YHWH,

I acknowledge your responses with thanks: but forgive me if I do not respond to them.

May the Lord be the Arbiter as we wait on Him.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[GDL]

Hello @GDL, @Minister Monardo, @Jesus is YHWH,

I acknowledge your responses with thanks: but forgive me if I do not respond to them.

May the Lord be the Arbiter as we wait on Him.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

Sounds like disagreement. You're forgiven & He's always the final Arbiter. Thanks.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Jesus has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses — as much more glory as the builder of a house has more honor than the house itself. (For every house is built by someone, but the builder of all things is God.) Now Moses was faithful in all God’s house as a servant, to testify to the things that were to be spoken later, but Christ is faithful over God’s house as a son. And we are his house, if indeed we hold fast our confidence and our boasting in our hope. (Hebrews 3:3–6)

The point seems to be the worthiness of Jesus in comparison to the OT Moses as keeper but not builder, servant compared to Son. The hope of the NT is gathered there in being His habitation.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

2 Corinthians 3:15-17

15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

2 Corinthians 3:15-17

15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Hebrews 8:5 says that in Moses a shadow or an image of heavenly things, worshipped not in spirit nor the unveiled truth, or the abiding in Him as the place to worship from. John 4:20 He is our abiding place. The pattern shown on the mount is of the tabernacle in the wilderness which depicts Christ in Moses' time. Christ now being greater as we abide in Him and Him in us.

 

[Mr. M]

Hello @GDL, @readywriter, @Jesus is YHWH,
@Jesus is my Superhero, @Citizen of the Kingdom
Thanks to all for your responses to the question posed in the title of the thread. If you would take a moment to read the OP post #1 and consider the implications of those words, I will ask a follow-up question.
Can any security be taken in the knowledge that the church is the House of God?

 

[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Hebrews 8:5 says that in Moses a shadow or an image of heavenly things, worshipped not in spirit nor the unveiled truth, or the abiding in Him as the place to worship from. John 4:20 He is our abiding place. The pattern shown on the mount is of the tabernacle in the wilderness which depicts Christ in Moses' time. Christ now being greater as we abide in Him and Him in us.

Christ in the Tabernacle | Christian Forums

A study from ages ago.

 

[Mr. M]

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[Citizen of the Kingdom]

Okay, this is strange. I copied this from post#7
Jesus has appeared once
And for all to have our sins
Be dead as we are now alive
In Him!

Ready for Labor Day 2022

What's up with this? Today right? Is something supposed to happen? What was the talk back in 2007. (15 years ago, right?)

What's up with this? I suppose seeing God visable thru the image of Christ in the tabernacle for those who don't believe that Christ is the image of the invisable God. Colossians 1:15 thereby not including abiding in Him as being God's habitat. That's not just corperate inclusion OT but as individual also NT.

 

[Mr. M]

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[Citizen of the Kingdom]

My comments were directed to a reference as to what was being left out of the conversation earlier in the thread/ Happy labour day!

Matthew 11:27 New King James Version 27 All things have been delivered to Me by My Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father.Nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and the one to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.
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[Citizen of the Kingdom]

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