God Has Sent them a Strong Delusion.

[aiki]

you can quote all the verses you like but that won't change that you are calling an entire minority sick, evil and grotesque.

Just as God does. He calls their behavior an "abomination," in fact.

If you said these horrible things about black people it would be called hate and rightly so.
If you said these horrible things about Jews it would be called hate.
If you said these horrible things about the handicapped
Buddhists
Native Americans and so on and so on

The words you are using are hate.

Are you kidding me? This is silly. God calls every single person an incorrigible sinner deserving of, and destined for, hell if they don't repent of their wickedness and submit themselves to Him. He says the hearts of us all - black, Jew, native American and disabled Buddhist included - are "deceitful above all things and desperately wicked" (Jeremiah 17:9). Is God hateful, then? You bet He is! He hates sin. And He will punish any wicked heart on this planet with eternal hell if it is not cleansed by the shed blood of Christ.

Not all women do

So? Is the exception the rule? Obviously not. The exception merely establishes the rule.

you singled out abomination to attack an entire group of people.

I wrote of several kinds of behaviour and thinking in my OP. You're the one who's made a stink about "abominations" in particular.

Prejudice is a biased preconceived opinion that is not based on reason or actual experience.

Baloney. Prejudice is often based upon perfectly reasonable grounds and is many times entirely justified, as in the case of prejudice against genocidal maniacs, or serial rapists, or pedophiles. Are you actually thinking through the things you write? It sure doesn't seem like it...

A thinking and moral person forms opinions on individuals based on their actions and their character not on their being a minority

??? Who has condemned anyone on the basis of being in a minority? I haven't. Sin is the object of condemnation, not numbers.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Why? Because I don't find belittling or dehumanizing people amusing

Supporting gender confusion is dehumanising.

 

[Carl Emerson]

racists point out that God speaks out against the evils of racial equality. Does that legitimize racism?

NO

What is your point ?

 

[Disciple_mike]

biological sex and gender are not the same thing

I have to say .. that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard . did you ever hear of God separating those ? no you did not for HE did not. i think in the context of this forum which is centered around discipleship that its out of line to be suggesting here that conforming to the worlds mindset of such things can ever be aligned with being a disciple of the lord JESUS . Seeing that it is an absolute requirement to be NOT conformed to this world ..

 

[Disciple_mike]

Mmmm...

What I was conveying was like Paul who was radically anti-Christ yet was greatly used after an encounter with God - His passion for his delusion was driven by a personality the God chose to use (after regeneration)

So I don't write off SB - like Paul he is passionate about his opinions and who knows - in God's hands at some stage he could be greatly used.

I don't agree with his position, but, I don't crucify him because of it.

i think this is quite a misconception . the personality of a person born of Adam ( sin nature) is of no consequence in the kingdom of God . it is born of flesh and of no value to those born of spirit . most of the problem we see today in chrsitiandom is because people see some individual who is a talented natural ( in the flesh) speaker and they say oh he would make a wonderful preacher . So they catapult him/her into that trade and now we have many talented speakers that are teaching from the flesh being not born of the spirit . in contrast God took the outcast the stutterer the uncouth .. made then new and sent them forth . paul did what he did and spoke as he spoke because he was born of the spirit and even said he was compelled to do so . it was not from his flesh .

but also .. i did think this forum was a safe place where we should not have to be debating in defense of the plain word of god when someone is promoting a completely worldly perspective .

 

[SilverBear]

I have to say .. that is the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard . did you ever hear of God separating those ? no you did not for HE did not. i think in the context of this forum which is centered around discipleship that its out of line to be suggesting here that conforming to the worlds mindset of such things can ever be aligned with being a disciple of the lord JESUS . Seeing that it is an absolute requirement to be NOT conformed to this world ..

A person’s sex refers to their physical characteristics, such as male, female, and intersex. Gender is a separate concept that refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, expressions and identities. While in day to day conversation, the terms sex and gender are often used interchangeably, but social scientists, behavioral scientists and biologists, and the egal systems and government bodies, make a distinction between gender and sex.

 

[SilverBear]

NO

What is your point ?

why is biblically supported anti-LGBT hate "legitimate" but biblically supported racial hate not?

 

[SilverBear]

Supporting gender confusion is dehumanising.

can you tell me what in that string of mocking and bigoted name calling is supporting?

 

[Disciple_mike]

A person’s sex refers to their physical characteristics, such as male, female, and intersex. Gender is a separate concept that refers to the socially constructed roles, behaviors, expressions and identities. While in day to day conversation, the terms sex and gender are often used interchangeably, but social scientists, behavioral scientists and biologists, and the egal systems and government bodies, make a distinction between gender and sex.

but God does not .

 

[SilverBear]

Just as God does. He calls their behavior an "abomination," in fact.

You mean people who sit in restaurants read their daily horoscope with roll up the sleaves of their poly cotton blend shirts to show off their tattoos while eating shrimp cocktail's and reading their daily horoscopes and paying their tab with their lottery winnings?

Are you kidding me?

IF you were to say the same things about any other minority that you are saying about LGBT individuals it would be called hate. Your words. Not God's. Yours. Bigotry and hate don't change int something righteous and good just because you are directing those words at a different minority.

So? Is the exception the rule? Obviously not. The exception merely establishes the rule.

what does that even mean?

I wrote of several kinds of behaviour and thinking in my OP. You're the one who's made a stink about "abominations" in particular.

"what God in His word has repeatedly called an abomination: homosexuality"

Baloney. Prejudice is often based upon perfectly reasonable grounds and is many times entirely justified, as in the case of prejudice against genocidal maniacs, or serial rapists, or pedophiles. Are you actually thinking through the things you write? It sure doesn't seem like it...

Please share the perfectly reasonable grounds for prejudice these gentlemen have.

??? Who has condemned anyone on the basis of being in a minority? I haven't. Sin is the object of condemnation, not numbers.

"It's perfectly okay for homosexuals in drag to read books about sexual perversion to children in public libraries."
you said it is twisting children to expose children to homosexuals and people who do are evil.
"the sexually-deviant grotesqueries"
and so on and so on.
Man up and own what you wrote[/quote][/quote]

 

[Ceallaigh]

Why? Because I don't find belittling or dehumanizing people amusing

No I view the young people involved as victims of an out of control ideology telling them they can be a combination of umpteen genders, orientations and species.

 

[Carl Emerson]

why is biblically supported anti-LGBT hate "legitimate" but biblically supported racial hate not?

Because race is not sinful but sexual perversion is...

 

[Carl Emerson]

paul did what he did and spoke as he spoke because he was born of the spirit and even said he was compelled to do so . it was not from his flesh .

No one said it was...

i did think this forum was a safe place where we should not have to be debating in defense of the plain word of god when someone is promoting a completely worldly perspective .

Welcome to CF...

The battle rages greater than you might have thought.

 

[DiscipleOfChrist85]

You mean people who sit in restaurants read their daily horoscope with roll up the sleaves of their poly cotton blend shirts to show off their tattoos while eating shrimp cocktail's and reading their daily horoscopes and paying their tab with their lottery winnings?



IF you were to say the same things about any other minority that you are saying about LGBT individuals it would be called hate. Your words. Not God's. Yours. Bigotry and hate don't change int something righteous and good just because you are directing those words at a different minority.


what does that even mean?



"what God in His word has repeatedly called an abomination: homosexuality"



Please share the perfectly reasonable grounds for prejudice these gentlemen have.

"It's perfectly okay for homosexuals in drag to read books about sexual perversion to children in public libraries."
you said it is twisting children to expose children to homosexuals and people who do are evil.
"the sexually-deviant grotesqueries"
and so on and so on.
Man up and own what you wrote

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I can see where you are coming from but I must ask then if we take out the extreme language out of Aikis OP then if the bible says something is a sin then is still hate or bigotry?
And moreover how to readdress this because we are called to rebuke sin.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Because race is not sinful but sexual perversion is...

Perversion plus confusion.

 

[Disciple_mike]

No one said it was...



Welcome to CF...

The battle rages greater than you might have thought.

apologies i didn't intend to come across argumentative . it was only the alluding to god using paul's personality ,i was just conversationally addressing that aspect . thanks for the welcome i'm a returning user .been out of CF a few years . to be honest -a few very peaceful years

 

[Disciple_mike]

You mean people who sit in restaurants read their daily horoscope with roll up the sleaves of their poly cotton blend shirts to show off their tattoos while eating shrimp cocktail's and reading their daily horoscopes and paying their tab with their lottery winnings?



IF you were to say the same things about any other minority that you are saying about LGBT individuals it would be called hate. Your words. Not God's. Yours. Bigotry and hate don't change int something righteous and good just because you are directing those words at a different minority.


what does that even mean?



"what God in His word has repeatedly called an abomination: homosexuality"



Please share the perfectly reasonable grounds for prejudice these gentlemen have.

"It's perfectly okay for homosexuals in drag to read books about sexual perversion to children in public libraries."
you said it is twisting children to expose children to homosexuals and people who do are evil.
"the sexually-deviant grotesqueries"
and so on and so on.
Man up and own what you wrote

[/quote][/QUOTE]
i notice its you that seems to be breaking things down into minority groups and then seeking to somehow justify them in those groups .. whereas the other posters reference are generalized descriptions of sinful behavior across the board as defined in the bible . its almost like your purposely trying to silence him by saying "oh your racist " in the style of leftwing politics .instead of seeing the bigger picture he is referring to . i can see what he is saying while at the same time knowing that i cannot judge the world for being sinful but knowing they are already under judgement of God ..and can be saved from it if they listen ( give ear to ) and believe ( obey ) the gospel of the lord Jesus .breaking it down into categorized minorities doesn't make sin less sinful. i dont know you and i'm trying to figure out where your coming from and what your point is in doing this .

 

[john the youngest]

apologies i didn't intend to come across argumentative . it was only the alluding to god using paul's personality ,i was just conversationally addressing that aspect . thanks for the welcome i'm a returning user .been out of CF a few years . to be honest -a few very peaceful years

Peaceful years is what I seek. The way I have found to avoid online dialogues is to read a book instead. Maybe someone should write a thread on how to have peaceful things.

 

[Carl Emerson]

apologies i didn't intend to come across argumentative . it was only the alluding to god using paul's personality ,i was just conversationally addressing that aspect . thanks for the welcome i'm a returning user .been out of CF a few years . to be honest -a few very peaceful years

If you believe in absolute total depravity outside of the redemption of Jesus, you have to account for the many OT characters who were strong in personality and greatly used because of it. It seems the corruption of the fall did not result in all persons becoming extremely wicked - Noah, Job etc.

 

[Ceallaigh]

Delusion: Being a sodomite is the same as being black, and being against sodomy is like being KKK.